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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 19, 2014 19:01:46 GMT -5
WWE shouldn't have "the guy" They should have several guys. Build as many stars as possible and not be reliant on a single dominant and overpushed one. It felt like WWE were trying to do that at one point, around the time the brand split ended. But then they tried to make too many people look like contenders and it ended up killing the midcard and making the TV product appear as if everyone is special so no one is. That's because they try to force the issue. They need to listen to the fan reactions and push the guys who are getting support. The mid-card is weak because they treat the three divisions that should form it (IC/US, Tag Team, and Divas) as an afterthought. All the attention is focused on the main event.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 19, 2014 19:13:41 GMT -5
It felt like WWE were trying to do that at one point, around the time the brand split ended. But then they tried to make too many people look like contenders and it ended up killing the midcard and making the TV product appear as if everyone is special so no one is. That's because they try to force the issue. They need to listen to the fan reactions and push the guys who are getting support. The mid-card is weak because they treat the three divisions that should form it (IC/US, Tag Team, and Divas) as an afterthought. All the attention is focused on the main event. what I meant was that there were so many guys that WWE presented as "main eventers" and every one of them would have a match/segment on every RAW and SD unless they were injured or on hiatus, leaving very little room for anything else. Oddly enough, even Daniel Bryan himself was actually one of those "too many guys" I was talking about at one point once he cashed in MiTB. If WWE weren't forced by fans to push him all the way to the WWE World Title, he would've ended up as yet another guy like Sheamus or Orton or Big Show or Kane who just floats around the uppercard just because.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 19, 2014 19:16:22 GMT -5
That's because they try to force the issue. They need to listen to the fan reactions and push the guys who are getting support. The mid-card is weak because they treat the three divisions that should form it (IC/US, Tag Team, and Divas) as an afterthought. All the attention is focused on the main event. what I meant was that there were so many guys that WWE presented as "main eventers" and every one of them would have a match/segment on every RAW and SD unless they were injured or on hiatus, leaving very little room for anything else. Oddly enough, even Daniel Bryan himself was actually one of those "too many guys" I was talking about at one point once he cashed in MiTB. If WWE weren't forced by fans to push him all the way to the WWE World Title, he would've ended up as yet another guy like Sheamus or Orton or Big Show or Kane who just floats around the uppercard just because. That's a matter of poor planning. WWE should understand that bombarding the audience won't build stars. It needs to happen organically.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 19, 2014 19:31:24 GMT -5
If you have the entire Superdome shouting your chant in unison after you've defeated the most protected man in the company, the world champion and a wrestlemania main eventer in the same night, you're the guy. He is hurt. When he comes back, he will surely get back up there. The WWE know how over he is. They haven't missed the boat the way people think. Certain things were designed to make it look like they were burying him. Seriously, just not putting him in the Rumble at all? That was a premeditated and conscious thing. I think him not being in the Rumble was that they thought that so long as he wasn't in the match, no one would get that upset about him not winning. And there is absolutely no way that they planned it all in advance. Zero. Among other things, it'd have to have required them to know that the crowd would permanently turn on Batista after popping for him his first night back, and they'd had have to have known Punk was going to walk out. Although, that was ultimately for the best, when it comes to Big Dave. He's so much better as a total D-Bag.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2014 19:37:43 GMT -5
I think him not being in the Rumble was that they thought that so long as he wasn't in the match, no one would get that upset about him not winning. And there is absolutely no way that they planned it all in advance. Zero. Among other things, it'd have to have required them to know that the crowd would permanently turn on Batista after popping for him his first night back, and they'd had have to have known Punk was going to walk out. Although, that was ultimately for the best, when it comes to Big Dave. He's so much better as a total D-Bag. Oh, absolutely. In all honesty everything worked out the best possible way. Got two great matches bookending Mania, some very hot Raws, and a ton of crowd involvement, plus the return of a classic gimmick that didn't last nearly long enough before. Though I'd have announced the title match stipulation for Bryan / Triple H the week before they did, it'd have been way bigger in Chicago.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 19, 2014 20:37:36 GMT -5
Although, that was ultimately for the best, when it comes to Big Dave. He's so much better as a total D-Bag. Oh, absolutely. In all honesty everything worked out the best possible way. Got two great matches bookending Mania, some very hot Raws, and a ton of crowd involvement, plus the return of a classic gimmick that didn't last nearly long enough before. Though I'd have announced the title match stipulation for Bryan / Triple H the week before they did, it'd have been way bigger in Chicago. The only bad part was Punk walking out (and I say that as someone who never liked Punk) before they could do a blood feud between Bryan and Punk. Punk as the entitled, elitist jackass running down Bryan because Bryan had to turn himself in to a Beard and a Catchphrase to reach the top would have been amazing.
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Post by Doctor Of Style on Sept 20, 2014 9:23:00 GMT -5
Long and short of it, Vince is constantly looking for the next Rock or Austin and refuses to see when there aren't any around and he should be settling for the next Bret. The company almost went out of business with Bret on top, why would he want a top guy that doesn't draw money?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 9:32:29 GMT -5
Long and short of it, Vince is constantly looking for the next Rock or Austin and refuses to see when there aren't any around and he should be settling for the next Bret. The company almost went out of business with Bret on top, why would he want a top guy that doesn't draw money? That was less due to Bret and more due to years of bad decisions on various fronts (keeping Diesel on top for a year when he could be seen to be a complete flop within a couple of months of winning the belt, WBF, the whole steroid trial situation, putting on a terrible show week in and week out, removing everything that got Michaels over as a face). Bret for his part largely was able to hold the fort down when put in a position as a top guy - he never revolutionized the business but he was able to keep things steady.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 20, 2014 11:10:02 GMT -5
Because he's yet another flaky indy dude who can't handle the demanding environment WWE provides. They give this guy the keys to the castle and he drops them in the moat? Man eff this B+ bearded bozo. How many indy and IWC faves getting cold feet or laying on the shelf is it going to take for you lot to understand why guys like Cena and pals have been on top for so long? ...HHH?
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