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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Sept 19, 2014 20:14:43 GMT -5
I just want when these FBI people go to see Hannibal in the asylum he's taking a giant dump
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Sept 21, 2014 3:49:12 GMT -5
As terrible as the movie was its still nowhere near as terrible as the book is.
That and nothing will ever be as bad as Hannibal Rising.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Sept 21, 2014 4:03:27 GMT -5
I did like Mason Verger, he was an interesting character. But yeah, making Lecter into a semi-heroic love interest is just.. no. I'm aware Harris did the same, but it was dumb there too. At least the movie had the good graces to not go all the way with it like Harris did. One of the rare cases where the movie is better than the book.
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Post by Display Name on Sept 21, 2014 4:06:35 GMT -5
Ever read the book? It's even more wacky and I say this as a man that rereads Red Dragon and Silence of the Lambs every few years. Mason's sister and her relationship with Barney springs to mind. I wanna know!I wanna know!
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Post by Hurbster on Sept 21, 2014 5:01:05 GMT -5
Only other scene I remember is the one where that guy gets eaten by pigs. That was... weird. Let me tell you about pigs...
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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 21, 2014 9:15:32 GMT -5
I think that Hollywood kind of infected Thomas Harris. When he wrote Hannibal, he was pretty obviously writing it with an eye for what would work on screen rather than on paper. He focused more in visual shocks than on psychological suspense. And yeah, turning Hannibal into some sort of anti-hero was totally because of how popular the character got in pop-culture. Lecter in the first two books is NOT a nice guy.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Sept 21, 2014 11:30:23 GMT -5
Mason's sister and her relationship with Barney springs to mind. I wanna know!I wanna know! Alright, I'm gonna spoiler this to answer your question then I may post some more about the book in general because it's been a good ten years since I read it and the Wiki is reminding me of things. {Spoiler}Mason Verger was a pedophile in the novel, don't remember if it was touched on in the film or not. His younger sister Margot is a lesbian bodybuilder, Mason raped and molested her as a teen (she went to Lecter for therapy) and it's implied that that's why she's a lesbian bodybuilder. Seriously, that's about the extend of her character. So Barney goes to work for Mason since Verger is a f***ing moron that allows himself to get slipped some PCP before cutting his own face off under the instruction of Lecter before feeding it to his dogs. There was also so weird autoerotic hanging business. In other words, Mason needed some care, Barney could provide it. So Barney and Margot get close due to the fact that neither can stand Mason and it's hinted that there's mutual attraction between the two despite Margot being a lesbian bodybuilder. So Barney makes a move, it's not well received, they stay friends. Oh, I should also note that Margot is only there because she needs Mason's sperm to make a baby/she was disinherited by their father when she came out so Mason promises her her cut if she works for him. It's a f***ing mess and I probably forgot a lot.
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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 21, 2014 11:40:42 GMT -5
I did like Mason Verger, he was an interesting character. But yeah, making Lecter into a semi-heroic love interest is just.. no. I'm aware Harris did the same, but it was dumb there too. They definitely touched on Lecter bring attracted to Starling in the book, but he wasn't in love with her. It was more like she amused him and he got his jollies by stringing her along. How that got adapted into some twisted live angle is beyond me.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 21, 2014 11:42:05 GMT -5
I did like Mason Verger, he was an interesting character. But yeah, making Lecter into a semi-heroic love interest is just.. no. I'm aware Harris did the same, but it was dumb there too. They definitely touched on Lecter bring attracted to Starling in the book, but he wasn't in love with her. It was more like she amused him and he got his jollies by stringing her along. How that got adapted into some twisted live angle is beyond me. Yeah, but Starling sorta reciprocates here, and well.. no.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Sept 21, 2014 11:47:05 GMT -5
They definitely touched on Lecter bring attracted to Starling in the book, but he wasn't in love with her. It was more like she amused him and he got his jollies by stringing her along. How that got adapted into some twisted live angle is beyond me. Yeah, but Starling sorta reciprocates here, and well.. no. Don't forget, in the novel... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}...he actually tries to brainwash Ms. Starling into thinking that she's his sister that the Nazis ate, returned to life. THEN they become lovers and run away together.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 21, 2014 11:48:30 GMT -5
Yeah, but Starling sorta reciprocates here, and well.. no. Don't forget, in the novel... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}...he actually tries to brainwash Ms. Starling into thinking that she's his sister that the Nazis ate, returned to life. I actually never read the novel, but wowsers. I did read the book version of Hannibal Rising.. bleh. So when did Harris go off the rails?
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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 21, 2014 11:51:49 GMT -5
They definitely touched on Lecter bring attracted to Starling in the book, but he wasn't in love with her. It was more like she amused him and he got his jollies by stringing her along. How that got adapted into some twisted live angle is beyond me. Yeah, but Starling sorta reciprocates here, and well.. no. Yeah, definitely not. I'll add that they played up the whole feminine liberation thing a bit too much. Silence of the Lambs definitely showed Starling's struggle to be taken serious in a field that is typically an all boys club, it was part if what made you empathize with her. But Hannibal made her into this victim of male oppression. It felt forced.
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Post by hossfan on Sept 21, 2014 11:52:12 GMT -5
I just want when these FBI people go to see Hannibal in the asylum he's taking a giant dump Would you settle for a scene where some guards see him peeing into a a bedpan while he's strapped to a gurney? Because that happens in the "Silence of the Lambs" novel.
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Post by mizerable on Sept 21, 2014 11:55:34 GMT -5
Ever read the book? It's even more wacky and I say this as a man that rereads Red Dragon and Silence of the Lambs every few years. Yep. Manhunter and SotL both benefit from having directors who eliminate the silly shit that wouldn't fly on the screen.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Sept 21, 2014 11:57:26 GMT -5
Don't forget, in the novel... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}...he actually tries to brainwash Ms. Starling into thinking that she's his sister that the Nazis ate, returned to life. I actually never read the novel, but wowsers. I did read the book version of Hannibal Rising.. bleh. So when did Harris go off the rails? {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}It was literally that book that did it I think. It's bizarre too because the first 2/3rds of Hannibal are f***ing fantastic for the most part. There's flaws yeah, but the first two acts of that book are the same kind of dark, melodramatic craziness you'd expect with the FBI stuff being done very well as well our first real glimpses of Hannibal in the real world being handled as you'd expect. Even the final act has few flashes of brilliance (the boars wouldn't attack Hannibal as planned because they didn't smell fear on him, Margot murders Mason in a horrifying way but Hannibal had earlier persuaded her to frame him for the act so she could continue her life) but the whole "You're my sister!...that didn't work? Okay, let's bone then." aspect mixed with the hilarity that is making a man eat part of his own brain really put that shit too far out there even for me. Ever read the book? It's even more wacky and I say this as a man that rereads Red Dragon and Silence of the Lambs every few years. Yep. Manhunter and SotL both benefit from having directors who eliminate the silly shit that wouldn't fly on the screen. I'd agree with this. Red Dragon to an extent too. There's a few minor gripes I have with that one on film but the performances and cinematography really did a lot to match pace with the book.
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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 21, 2014 12:11:44 GMT -5
I actually never read the novel, but wowsers. I did read the book version of Hannibal Rising.. bleh. So when did Harris go off the rails? {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}It was literally that book that did it I think. It's bizarre too because the first 2/3rds of Hannibal are f***ing fantastic for the most part. There's flaws yeah, but the first two acts of that book are the same kind of dark, melodramatic craziness you'd expect with the FBI stuff being done very well as well our first real glimpses of Hannibal in the real world being handled as you'd expect. Even the final act has few flashes of brilliance (the boars wouldn't attack Hannibal as planned because they didn't smell fear on him, Margot murders Mason in a horrifying way but Hannibal had earlier persuaded her to frame him for the act so she could continue her life) but the whole "You're my sister!...that didn't work? Okay, let's bone then." aspect mixed with the hilarity that is making a man eat part of his own brain really put that shit too far out there even for me. Yep. Manhunter and SotL both benefit from having directors who eliminate the silly shit that wouldn't fly on the screen. I'd agree with this. Red Dragon to an extent too. There's a few minor gripes I have with that one on film but the performances and cinematography really did a lot to match pace with the book. I'm kind of tirn between Manhunter and Red Dragon. Tom Noonan did a better job capturing the personality if Francis Dolarhyde, but he did not have the physicality for it. Ralph Fiennes liked the part but I feel like he made Dolarhyde too meek. William Peterson, however, was head and shoulders above Ed Norton as Will Graham.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Sept 21, 2014 12:53:28 GMT -5
It's been a long time since I've seen the movie. However, the show is absolutely brilliant and I bought the second season on Friday.
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Post by hossfan on Sept 21, 2014 13:05:49 GMT -5
Ever read the book? It's even more wacky and I say this as a man that rereads Red Dragon and Silence of the Lambs every few years. Yep. Manhunter and SotL both benefit from having directors who eliminate the silly shit that wouldn't fly on the screen. "Silence of the Lambs" the movie is pretty faithful to the novel though. I can't think of any major changes other than who's head Clarice finds in the storage facility and that Crawford's subplot with his wife isn't referenced.
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Sept 21, 2014 13:39:38 GMT -5
Can we just take a moment to recognise how excellent Mads Mikkelsen (sp?) is, not just in Hannibal but everything else he is in. If you haven't seen it then watch The Hunt which I believe is on Netflix.
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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 21, 2014 13:48:16 GMT -5
Yep. Manhunter and SotL both benefit from having directors who eliminate the silly shit that wouldn't fly on the screen. "Silence of the Lambs" the movie is pretty faithful to the novel though. I can't think of any major changes other than who's head Clarice finds in the storage facility and that Crawford's subplot with his wife isn't referenced. The ending, with Lecter chasing Chilton to kill him. In the book Lecter just writes a threatening letter.
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