StuntGranny®
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Not Actually a Granny
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Post by StuntGranny® on Sept 25, 2014 19:19:43 GMT -5
- Edge: He was never THAT good and the fact they rushed him into the HoF like he was pivotal to professional wrestling is a joke. - Paul Heyman: I find him sleazy and annoying. - ECW: I hate hardcore wrestling and I thought most of their fan base was annoying as f***. There were a few good matches here and there, I will at least give it credit for that. - Joey Styles: I always thought he was awful. I would put him below Michael Cole, if that says anything. - Brock Lesnar: In my opinion, overrated as hell. Outside of being a big, dumb neanderthal, there's not much there. It's a shame that something as cool as The Streak had to end at the ends of someone so undeserving. - Chikara: While I have been to a Chikara show that was a lot of fun and I have enjoyed some of their shows, I just can't get into them in general. This is certainly true since they've came back from their bullshit 'hiatus'. Most of their cards now are filled with a lot of "Who is this?" and "Who gives a damn?" Also, and this only applies to those I've met in person, their fans are extremely annoying. Also also, Mike Quackenbush is a sketchy, weird motherf***er. YIKES It's almost as if people are different or something!
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 25, 2014 20:59:30 GMT -5
AJ Lee's "Pipe-Bombshell": Everyone seems to think that AJ should've been the face for "telling it like it is" and bashing the Total Divas for sucking...up, etc. I couldn't really get behind AJ for that promo. People here argued why AJ came off as the face, but to me she was still a heel. Imo a true face would have been content with being the champion and being the best wrestler and not begrudge her colleagues the limited success and relevance that the reality show allowed them to have.
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Post by Starshine on Sept 26, 2014 1:00:19 GMT -5
New Japan - To be fair, I don't think it's a bad company. But I don't really understand all the hype it has surrounding it right now. They have some great talent, and give us good matches. But the problem is the keep giving us those same matches ad nauseam. They also seem to rely too heavily on their established guys to carry their main events leaving them often feeling very samey.
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Johnny B. Decent
Patti Mayonnaise
Had one once
Everybody's Favorite Arizonian.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Sept 26, 2014 1:22:38 GMT -5
New Japan - To be fair, I don't think it's a bad company. But I don't really understand all the hype it has surrounding it right now. They have some great talent, and give us good matches. But the problem is the keep giving us those same matches ad nauseam. They also seem to rely too heavily on their established guys to carry their main events leaving them often feeling very samey. I think a explanation for that is after that disastrous period of 2001-2006 that nearly killed NJPW, Jado and Gedo try and play it safe, perhaps sometimes too much.
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Post by Raskovnik on Sept 26, 2014 5:12:17 GMT -5
New Japan - To be fair, I don't think it's a bad company. But I don't really understand all the hype it has surrounding it right now. They have some great talent, and give us good matches. But the problem is the keep giving us those same matches ad nauseam. They also seem to rely too heavily on their established guys to carry their main events leaving them often feeling very samey. Yeah, I don't think it's the end-all be-all holy grail of wrestling that people just stepping out from under the WWE umbrella hype it up as being, and I say that as a pretty big fan of the company.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Sept 26, 2014 5:42:05 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar vs CM Punk. If Cena was anywhere near as protected as Punk was in that match people would still be bitching to this day, kind of like how they have been since the Night of Champions match. People give the Triple H matches shit, especially the Summerslam one because Hunter held his own (which to be fair I think was more than a little ridiculous) yet they totally buy CM Punk, who practices his BJJ on weekends and wears a Gracie hoodie so you know he's totes legit, not just holding his own but outright dominating Brock for most of the match, and only losing because he was distracted by Heyman. I thought both feuds were equally ridiculous, but at least there was the humorous aspect of Hunter's self-appellation "The Asskicker" and taking Brock on not in a match, but a "fight". That was hilarious and rightfully got shit on. However, Lesnar/Punk is universally beloved and I just don't get it. Eh Lesnar/Punk is hardly universally beloved as there were a lot of people (plenty on this forum) who pointed out how Punk out MMAing Brock was plain stupid and looked fake and not to mentioned that Heyman interfering was also silly and totally unnecessary.
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Bo Rida
Fry's dog Seymour
Pulled one over on everyone. Got away with it, this time.
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Post by Bo Rida on Sept 26, 2014 6:26:56 GMT -5
WCW in general, I since realised that there was some really good stuff between everything I hated and the production wasn't as bad as I once thought but at least that gave me plenty to catch up on. My main four issues were:
NWO - Never made sense to me even in it's original form, I just couldn't suspend my disbelief that these guys were a separate entity to the rest of WCW. Plus with a more historical eye it apprently built on the dangerous alliance and ripped off a similar angle from Japan so it doesn't even have innovation going for it.
Goldberg - Never has there been a high-profile wrestler I've disliked more, he turned me off the whole show, I hate overly dominate serious wrestlers like that. Hell I don't like it with Brock at the moment and hate the idea that nobody should be able to even hold their own against him but at least he has some real life legitimacy to back it up and sometimes provides humour.
Flair - I always thought the "same old shit" chant was made for him, at least he was good at those things though and I suppose I did like his wacky antics like elbow dropping his jackets, the flair flop and worse top rope offence than Del Rio.
Plus the whole retirement home and lack of home grown stars argument.
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Post by Adam Black on Sept 26, 2014 8:02:32 GMT -5
- Edge: He was never THAT good and the fact they rushed him into the HoF like he was pivotal to professional wrestling is a joke. OH MY GOD Thank you finally someone who sees the same thing f*** Edge man dude was worse than HHH when it came to burying people.Nobody looked good in the ring when it came to facing Edge and the booking was baffling I mean CM Punk just beat f***ing Snitsky clean and you're telling me he had to be lucky to beat Edge? BULLS***. Taker looked liked utter s*** when it came to their matches atleast CM Punk despite being the "sneaky heel" during their matches did an effort to make Taker look unstoppable Edge made zero efforts whatsoever Taker looked liked a f***ing joke at WM 24 are you f***ing serious a "desperation submission" finish? He should've destroyed him he's the motherf***ing Undertaker.He's 2010 feud with Kane? Oh my God Kane just destroyed Taker now you're gonna make him scared of Edge? Seriously? Everyone who criticizes Cena for burying Taker should look at Edge first. Other victims?Del Rio and Ziggler? God just f*** Edge. I was sad when he got an injury because because no one deserves that but I'm just glad we never have to see him anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 11:56:42 GMT -5
1. When the Royal Rumble winner became the automatic #1 contender to the WWE title, it took something away from the match IMO. The first ones were great, because truly ANYONE could win. It made the match much more exciting knowing that the winner could be Hacksaw Duggan or Big John Studd just as easily as it could be Hulk Hogan. I also thought the match was more prestigious before '92, because the prestige was in the bragging rights of winning the WWE's biggest match, not in any reward that was attached to winning it.
2. The Money in the Bank briefcase is the stupidest gimmick ever created. I enjoy the match and I could buy the gimmick if it just allowed you the privilege of challenging any champion to a future match. What I don't buy into is that whoever is carrying the silly briefcase can "cash in" at any moment, even if the champion is presently in a match against another contender. It makes no sense and has become such a eye-rollingly bad deus ex machina.
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mizerable
Fry's dog Seymour
You're the lowest on the totem pole here, Alva. The lowest.
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Post by mizerable on Sept 26, 2014 12:56:28 GMT -5
Vickie Guerrero
I don't know if she is so much liked, as much as some people will claim that she was a 'good heel'.
I highly disagree.
A good heel to me is someone who is antagonistic enough to eventually get their comeuppance. Unfortunately, Vickie wasn't a wrestler, so this almost never happened. Sure they humiliated her and fired her a thousand times, but she was always back in no time at all, which usually defeated the purpose of any humiliation or being fired.
Also, a good heel to me is never someone who wants to make me turn the channel. Seriously. Vickie's voice was so goddamn shrill and annoying that I literally did get a headache a couple times listening to her. On top of that, it's clear she wasn't a very good public speaker where she would under pronunce her words, which made her look stupider than she actually was. And on top of that, she sometimes had no f***ing idea what was going on.
So yeah...after about 6 months of her as an on-screen character, I pretty much said f*** it to Smackdown. I haven't watched Smackdown on a regular basis since. Heel heat to me should never come down to how inept someone is when it comes to performing. If this was the case, then I could get major heel heat if I just went out there to waste peoples' time on things not wrestling related, that doesn't make me a good heel.
Also as a bonus, while I don't think that he's exactly very well liked either, I gotta throw Tommy Dreamer under the bus. If he even had one fan, that would be one fan too many. Of the vast amount wrestlers who have spanned time, he's the guy you want to get behind? No thanks.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 26, 2014 12:58:09 GMT -5
^Didn't Vickie eat a Tombstone once?
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mizerable
Fry's dog Seymour
You're the lowest on the totem pole here, Alva. The lowest.
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Post by mizerable on Sept 26, 2014 13:12:13 GMT -5
It's possible...and you're probably right. All that meant was that she was out there in a wheelchair squawking.
Again, I have to reiterate that a character should never bother me so much that I don't want to watch the product.
I could tolerate it if it was a movie, but in a weekly episodic television show where that person NEVER seems to go away for more than a week or two...that's just not worth it to me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 13:17:59 GMT -5
Vickie was a personality. I don't really see her as being so much different than any other manager or heel authority figure that has been littering the screen for years. Personally, I thought she was one of the more entertaining personalities, but I recognize that many people hated her. I much preferred her open obnoxiousness to Triple H coming out and grunting for 20 minutes about whatever his beef was that week.
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Bo Rida
Fry's dog Seymour
Pulled one over on everyone. Got away with it, this time.
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Post by Bo Rida on Sept 26, 2014 13:24:45 GMT -5
Vickie Guerrero I don't know if she is so much liked, as much as some people will claim that she was a 'good heel'. Also, a good heel to me is never someone who wants to make me turn the channel. Seriously. Vickie's voice was so goddamn shrill and annoying that I literally did get a headache a couple times listening to her. On top of that, it's clear she wasn't a very good public speaker where she would under pronunce her words, which made her look stupider than she actually was. And on top of that, she sometimes had no f***ing idea what was going on. So yeah...after about 6 months of her as an on-screen character, I pretty much said f*** it to Smackdown. I haven't watched Smackdown on a regular basis since. Heel heat to me should never come down to how inept someone is when it comes to performing. If this was the case, then I could get major heel heat if I just went out there to waste peoples' time on things not wrestling related, that doesn't make me a good heel. I agree with the general sentiment and Vickie being awful in her early days. However I and many others thought she grew into the role and had become a really good performer in later years.
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metylerca
King Koopa
Loves Him Some Backstreet Boys.
Don't be alarmed.
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Post by metylerca on Sept 26, 2014 13:45:24 GMT -5
Nexus
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Boo!
Dennis Stamp
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Post by Boo! on Sept 26, 2014 18:02:31 GMT -5
Money In The Bank
Do we even pretend the briefcase gets someone over any more? It's the guy who gets the briefcase over, which begs the question - why bother? It's like every year some poor gimp has to carry that thing around. It's a millstone.
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Post by champviadq on Sept 26, 2014 18:29:32 GMT -5
Hogan - Yes, I realize what he did for the business for the WWE. For all his praising that he gets from the WWE, I may be the only one who realizes that Hogan and the nWo nearly killed the WWE. Think about that. I'm not a hater of Hogan at all.
Daniel Bryan - I just can't get behind the guy. Good in-ring talent.
Ziggler - Tremendous athlete, one of the better sellers the WWE has. I don't get the massive love he gets from the IWC.
Aj Lee and Paige - I didn't click on this thread to marginalize the Divas Divison, but I've seen fans clamor that those two are the next Trish and Lita. No way in hell is that going to happen.
Dean Ambrose - Least favorite member of (former) Shield. I heard one guy say he is the next Stone Cold. Um, no, there will never be another Stone Cold. Ever.
"Work-Rate, 5 moves of Doom" - This has got to be the most annoying thing I ever read. Cena has 5 moves? Really? Ok, well, he's got a 5-star match from Meltzer with his match at MITB 2011 with his "5 moves of doom". Work rate has got to be the most over used term on the internet.
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Post by Hurbster on Sept 26, 2014 19:47:13 GMT -5
Fandango and Zack Ryder.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Sept 26, 2014 19:49:43 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan. I have no real interest of seeing him anymore.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Sept 26, 2014 19:53:38 GMT -5
The low-brow humor and "adult" storylines of the late '90s-mid '00s. "Choppy-choppy," Mae Young's hand, pepper steak, the Kiss My Ass Club, etc. made me embarrassed to be a wrestling fan. The Divas division. I like womens' wrestling in general, but WWE's brand of womens' wrestling is just bad. Yeah, most of them are good-looking, but there are plenty of other places I can go to see good-looking women without having to watch them attempt to wrestle. Good looks don't make up for bad wrestling. "People Power" didn't do anything for me. "American Bad Ass" Undertaker was not the Undertaker. I was so glad when he brought back the Deadman persona. You have ABA Taker in your sig. EDIT: Nevermind...I'm dumb. I get it now.
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