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Post by Old Jack Burton on Oct 26, 2014 22:20:58 GMT -5
You watch HHH or Stephanie will bury the f*** out of Dean on RAW at some point over the next couple of months and this will be one of the main things they bring up . Is it a good way to build heel heat? WWE seems to think so, I disagree. That's almost exactly how The Authority treated Daniel Bryan from SummerSlam until WrestleMania XXX, and up until his neck injury forced him to surrender the championship, it was working out pretty well for Bryan. But do you want to see Dean packaged as DB 2.0? I for one don't.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 22:21:10 GMT -5
You can't fault people for being upset and tell them to "Get Over Themselves" for an opinion. You have your own opinion, they have theirs. I believe it could have been done much better. So do others. Sorry if we wanted something different. If you found it fine, cool, but others who didn't have a legit complaint, and don't need to "Get over themselves". but I really don't see anything to be too upset about. Sure this can be considered ignorance at his finest, but this just screams of IWC hating because that's what we like to do. WWE finally puts effort into storytelling and it gets crapped on. Sometimes its best to concede your personal preferences and acknowledge a decent effort All we ever really do here lately is acknowledge great effort put into pretty poor storytelling. I liked the ending for the most part but some people didn't and are explaining why. Is it really any better to like something just because than to hate it for the same reason?
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Post by fw91 on Oct 26, 2014 22:21:24 GMT -5
Allow me to retort by saying, that I disagree with pretty much every point you make here. That doesn't mean I need to 'get over myself'; it just means I have a different outlook than you on the thing. That's the thing with this entire section much of the time--people think their opinion somehow makes other people wrong, and then the misplaced condescension silliness begins. If there's one thing posters need to 'get over', it's that. The thing is the WWE section since September has been a gigantic cesspool of negativity and it seems like no matter what WWE does now, people FIND a way to complain about it. I agree that Raw hasn't been that great, but it's starting to look like no one's ever gonna be happy here and it's starting to get old. I think a better phrase instead of "get over yourselves" would be "stop taking wrestling so seriously." People are so concerned about 3 years into the future that something that could be enjoyed just by thinking of today gets thrown out the window as shit because it's stupid for the future. I try to stay as casual of a fan as I possibly can and that leads to enjoying certain things more than others would. I think if others adopted that perspective, they'd enjoy this stuff more too. But I doubt that'll ever change and we'll keep seeing the "I'm never watching again" crowd who keep watching on a regular basis never actually stopping watching. well I did say I was bad with words
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Post by 2CSultan on Oct 26, 2014 22:21:32 GMT -5
What does the good guy winning in that match really get you? Cena has the title shot. What's Ambrose going to do for the rest of the year after he gets revenge? It doesn't "get" me anything. It is worth it in itself as a story. This "getting" is the mentality I hate. That everything must always lead to some other thing. Sometimes you lower the curtain and roll the credits. Next show starts a new day. What's Ambrose going to do? Something else. It could have been this Bray thing and I would have been fine with that if they hadn't decided to shoot their wad early and ruin the ending to this feud. I understand your point, but if Rollins loses tonight, he's back to the midcard. Now he can feud with Orton for at least two PPV's
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Oct 26, 2014 22:21:43 GMT -5
My only complaint is that it needed blood. Fake blood, real blood, whatever. Hell in a Cell, weapons, brutality. Blood. Would've been nice. Yeah in some occasions they really should loosen the leash a little bit. This is one of the first (no pun intended but whatever) "BLOOD" feuds in a while that you could really buy into. It really sells the story that much more. Imagine WM13 with a clean faced Austin screaming and passing out. Just doesn't have the same effect. The blood dripping down his face made him a warrior for life in the fans' eyes.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 26, 2014 22:22:17 GMT -5
I don't see why. If you're not enjoying something, you should be able to vocalize it instead of saying, "Oh well, at least they're trying." No other TV show seems to deserve a pat on the back just for putting in some effort even though it's something that actively pisses its fanbase off. Because I'd rather see the people who hate everything just flat out leave instead of threatening to stop watching every 3 days and not doing so Someone should make a "The NOT WATCHING RAW" Thread. What are you doing while RAW is on instead of watching RAW?
I'm catching up on my crochet.
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Post by The Tee Why on Oct 26, 2014 22:22:43 GMT -5
People are allowed to like or dislike whatever they want. Not to play neutral peacekeeper or anything but if you liked the show, awesome. If you disliked the show, thats fine too. Fighting over who liked vs disliked the finish of that match is beyond stupid.
People like different things, deal with it.
Some of yall are so toxic towards eachother you deserve to be bored for 3 hours a week on Raw. Holy cripes get a grip it's a television show, a show you may very well be very passionate about and at one point even love/d but jesus christ come up for air.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Oct 26, 2014 22:23:50 GMT -5
We just got the best cell match in over a decade and the PG myth was banished forever. You can do brutal hardcore exciting matches without blood.
I can't force anyone to like things I do but I really don't get the reactions as if we've just seen a Khali vs Santino submission iron man match.
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Post by waitingforjune on Oct 26, 2014 22:24:08 GMT -5
Allow me to retort by saying, that I disagree with pretty much every point you make here. That doesn't mean I need to 'get over myself'; it just means I have a different outlook than you on the thing. That's the thing with this entire section much of the time--people think their opinion somehow makes other people wrong, and then the misplaced condescension silliness begins. If there's one thing posters need to 'get over', it's that. The thing is the WWE section since September has been a gigantic cesspool of negativity and it seems like no matter what WWE does now, people FIND a way to complain about it. I agree that Raw hasn't been that great, but it's starting to look like no one's ever gonna be happy here and it's starting to get old. I think a better phrase instead of "get over yourselves" would be "stop taking wrestling so seriously." People are so concerned about 3 years into the future that something that could be enjoyed just by thinking of today gets thrown out the window as shit because it's stupid for the future. I try to stay as casual of a fan as I possibly can and that leads to enjoying certain things more than others would. I think if others adopted that perspective, they'd enjoy this stuff more too. But I doubt that'll ever change and we'll keep seeing the "I'm never watching again" crowd who keep watching on a regular basis never actually stopping watching. Completely agree with this. I've been away from here for a while since I got cable/didn't have to stream Raw, since I tended not to be in front of my computer, but I came back just to see the reactions after tonight. After being reminded of all the whining and negativity here, I'm more likely to be a part of the "I'm never coming to this forum again" crowd than the "I'm never watching again" crowd.
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Post by The Tee Why on Oct 26, 2014 22:24:18 GMT -5
Yeah in some occasions they really should loosen the leash a little bit. This is one of the first (no pun intended but whatever) "BLOOD" feuds in a while that you could really buy into. It really sells the story that much more. Imagine WM13 with a clean faced Austin screaming and passing out. Just doesn't have the same effect. The blood dripping down his face made him a warrior for life in the fans' eyes. Yep Totally with you there, some fans just say they want blood for the sake of having blood. This is one of those times where it really would have done wonders, these two HATE eachother and yet didnt hate each other enough to open them up. Maybe they'll go out on a double date sometime or go out for a cold pint
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Oct 26, 2014 22:24:32 GMT -5
It doesn't "get" me anything. It is worth it in itself as a story. This "getting" is the mentality I hate. That everything must always lead to some other thing. Sometimes you lower the curtain and roll the credits. Next show starts a new day. What's Ambrose going to do? Something else. It could have been this Bray thing and I would have been fine with that if they hadn't decided to shoot their wad early and ruin the ending to this feud. I understand your point, but if Rollins loses tonight, he's back to the midcard. Now he can feud with Orton for at least two PPV's Rollins as the chicken-shit heel can much more easily shrug off a single loss in a gimmick match. He wouldn't have to go back to the mid-card. But none of it matters. The moment matters. If we never get good finishes, if the good guys never win then wrestling isn't even worth watching. I'm tired of waiting for the day that never comes. How many good PPV finishes have we seen in the last 3 years of WWE? I can count them possibly on two hands with fingers to spare.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 26, 2014 22:25:15 GMT -5
Allow me to retort by saying, that I disagree with pretty much every point you make here. That doesn't mean I need to 'get over myself'; it just means I have a different outlook than you on the thing. That's the thing with this entire section much of the time--people think their opinion somehow makes other people wrong, and then the misplaced condescension silliness begins. If there's one thing posters need to 'get over', it's that. The thing is the WWE section since September has been a gigantic cesspool of negativity and it seems like no matter what WWE does now, people FIND a way to complain about it. I agree that Raw hasn't been that great, but it's starting to look like no one's ever gonna be happy here and it's starting to get old. I think a better phrase instead of "get over yourselves" would be "stop taking wrestling so seriously." People are so concerned about 3 years into the future that something that could be enjoyed just by thinking of today gets thrown out the window as shit because it's stupid for the future. I try to stay as casual of a fan as I possibly can and that leads to enjoying certain things more than others would. I think if others adopted that perspective, they'd enjoy this stuff more too. But I doubt that'll ever change and we'll keep seeing the "I'm never watching again" crowd who keep watching on a regular basis never actually stopping watching. Here's the deal though, no one is gonna like EVERYTHING; it's a discussion board, people are gonna discuss that. This place is no more negative now than it's ever been to be honest. If anything the complaining ABOUT complaining has been ramped up. A much better use of everyone's time would be to argue your points, whatever they are, by going: I liked/didn't like X, and here's why. There's nothing positive coming from telling someone else how to feel about something. Further, I've never understood why someone liking/disliking something you like/dislike affects an opinion one way or another. Who gives a f*** if someone has a different opinion than you? Doesn't make em wrong, makes em different, Mr. Drummond style. If there's one thing I personally find annoying it's people belittling each other's opinions and getting into pissing contests on who's more negative and whiny, or who's more of a smark, IWC, mark etc. If I could go without seeing that tired bullshit from any poster ever again, that'd be pretty swell
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Oct 26, 2014 22:25:23 GMT -5
It doesn't "get" me anything. It is worth it in itself as a story. This "getting" is the mentality I hate. That everything must always lead to some other thing. Sometimes you lower the curtain and roll the credits. Next show starts a new day. What's Ambrose going to do? Something else. It could have been this Bray thing and I would have been fine with that if they hadn't decided to shoot their wad early and ruin the ending to this feud. I understand your point, but if Rollins loses tonight, he's back to the midcard. Now he can feud with Orton for at least two PPV's Remember how Bryan had been pinned by Orton twice from the period between SummerSlam to WM30, before he got his redemption in New Orleans? Dean's story with Rollins is still not over.
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Post by MGH on Oct 26, 2014 22:26:25 GMT -5
Man, you guys.
I'm trying to say this from as good a place as I can and not call people out by name, but I wish a few of you who have been posting since the show ended would take a deep breath and check yourselves. Some of the posts in this thread look like they're coming from 10 year olds throwing tantrums. And none of it has to do with the actual opinion of whether or not you enjoyed what WWE put out there tonight.
Consider this just a general "chill the eff out" suggestion.
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Post by Malibu Albino on Oct 26, 2014 22:26:46 GMT -5
I think a good bit of the negativity on here comes from those of us who know WWE can do better and that it CHOOSES not to. Think of it as watching a TV show you really love that is declining in quality. You get a little pissed and angry because you know it can do better but it isn't currently. That is the way a lot of folks see current WWE.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Oct 26, 2014 22:26:48 GMT -5
I don't see why. If you're not enjoying something, you should be able to vocalize it instead of saying, "Oh well, at least they're trying." No other TV show seems to deserve a pat on the back just for putting in some effort even though it's something that actively pisses its fanbase off. Because I'd rather see the people who hate everything just flat out leave instead of threatening to stop watching every 3 days and not doing so, thereby clouding up the whole forum with negativity This negativity and lashing out at people who are not enjoying things like you is just as bad if not worse. I see some people that flat out refuse to believe that someone can not like whatever it is WWE is pushing at the top and then have the gall to tell the fans they are wrong for not being happy and wanting people to go away. I find that far more disturbing than people hating something they watched.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 26, 2014 22:27:00 GMT -5
We just got the best cell match in over a decade and the PG myth was banished forever. You can do brutal hardcore exciting matches without blood. I can't force anyone to like things I do but I really don't get the reactions as if we've just seen a Khali vs Santino submission iron man match. Let me be clear, the match between Ambrose and Rollins, was FANTASTIC.
The finish, just to me, could have been done better.
It just felt like it didn't fit into it, it felt like Wyatt was forced. Funny enough Wyatt seems to have been forced into about every feud he's had...
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Post by Paco on Oct 26, 2014 22:27:37 GMT -5
I enjoyed Cesaro/Ziggler, Usos/Dusts & Mizdow. Other than that...nah. I'm just not into these PG Hell in a Cell matches. I've only really enjoyed Taker vs. HHH from Mania in recent years. Loved that one. Aside from the controversial finish to ambrose and rollins, what the heck was so PG and terrible about their match? weapons everywhere, ambrose cursing in the ring... IMO, the Cell is not used to its maximum potential. I would rather the match just be a No Holds Barred match or some variation of it. Ends up being better overall and more violent which is what HITC is promoted as and, in the case of some feuds (like Ambrose/Rollins), calls for. Lately, I feel the Cell has been kind of a hinderance/there just for show. With the exception of the top of the cell stuff until they came crashing down on the announce tables, the match could've been done sans cage and probably crazier. It's just the way I've been feeling after every Hell in the Cell PPV these last few years. I just don't dig the watered down version.
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Oct 26, 2014 22:30:03 GMT -5
Aside from the controversial finish to ambrose and rollins, what the heck was so PG and terrible about their match? weapons everywhere, ambrose cursing in the ring... IMO, the Cell is not used to its maximum potential. I would rather the match just be a No Holds Barred match or some variation of it. Ends up being better overall and more violent which is what HITC is promoted as and, in the case of some feuds (like Ambrose/Rollins), calls for. Lately, I feel the Cell has been kind of a hinderance/there just for show. With the exception of the top of the cell stuff until they came crashing down on the announce tables, the match could've been done sans cage and probably crazier. It's just the way I've been feeling after every Hell in the Cell PPV these last few years. I just don't dig the watered down version. There is a certain tension in the air anytime someone is on top of the cell. I imagine Jamie Noble's life flashed before his eyes for just a split second as he took that suplex onto the top of the cell. They probably tested it 100 times beforehand, but you never know...
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Oct 26, 2014 22:31:29 GMT -5
The thing is the WWE section since September has been a gigantic cesspool of negativity and it seems like no matter what WWE does now, people FIND a way to complain about it. I agree that Raw hasn't been that great, but it's starting to look like no one's ever gonna be happy here and it's starting to get old. I think a better phrase instead of "get over yourselves" would be "stop taking wrestling so seriously." People are so concerned about 3 years into the future that something that could be enjoyed just by thinking of today gets thrown out the window as shit because it's stupid for the future. I try to stay as casual of a fan as I possibly can and that leads to enjoying certain things more than others would. I think if others adopted that perspective, they'd enjoy this stuff more too. But I doubt that'll ever change and we'll keep seeing the "I'm never watching again" crowd who keep watching on a regular basis never actually stopping watching. Here's the deal though, no one is gonna like EVERYTHING; it's a discussion board, people are gonna discuss that. This place is no more negative now than it's ever been to be honest. If anything the complaining ABOUT complaining has been ramped up. A much better use of everyone's time would be to argue your points, whatever they are, by going: I liked/didn't like X, and here's why. There's nothing positive coming from telling someone else how to feel about something. Further, I've never understood why someone liking/disliking something you like/dislike affects an opinion one way or another. Who gives a f*** if someone has a different opinion than you? Doesn't make em wrong, makes em different, Mr. Drummond style. If there's one thing I personally find annoying it's people belittling each other's opinions and getting into pissing contests on who's more negative and whiny, or who's more of a smark, IWC, mark etc. If I could go without seeing that tired bullshit from any poster ever again, that'd be pretty swell I think its the whole "What you say and how you say it" thing. A forum is for opinions and discussions. Otherwise, it ceases to be a forum. It's not just here. It's everywhere in our culture now. We've become so divided and extreme in our opinions. Everything is either amazing or it sucks. In politics, people are good or evil. There's no room for intelligent discussion. So I completely agree, I would much rather people say how they feel and explain why than read a litany of posts saying "f*** this sucks I'm out peace." It's more hilarious to me than anything, but it's still not contributing anything useful other than making this place look like a haven of hate.
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