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Post by Urfarkendarf on Oct 26, 2014 22:33:43 GMT -5
Loved the match, didnt care for the finish at all. Im cool with Bray being back and being involved, but I didnt like the re-introduction at all.
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Post by Widow's Peak on Oct 26, 2014 22:34:20 GMT -5
A little levity from Good Ol' JR. Honestly, I'm a bit paranoid for what this means for Ambrose's push. Hopefully, they aren't putting him on the JTTS track. Optimistically speaking, Wyatt/Ambrose does have the potential to be really good.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 26, 2014 22:34:52 GMT -5
Here's the deal though, no one is gonna like EVERYTHING; it's a discussion board, people are gonna discuss that. This place is no more negative now than it's ever been to be honest. If anything the complaining ABOUT complaining has been ramped up. A much better use of everyone's time would be to argue your points, whatever they are, by going: I liked/didn't like X, and here's why. There's nothing positive coming from telling someone else how to feel about something. Further, I've never understood why someone liking/disliking something you like/dislike affects an opinion one way or another. Who gives a f*** if someone has a different opinion than you? Doesn't make em wrong, makes em different, Mr. Drummond style. If there's one thing I personally find annoying it's people belittling each other's opinions and getting into pissing contests on who's more negative and whiny, or who's more of a smark, IWC, mark etc. If I could go without seeing that tired bullshit from any poster ever again, that'd be pretty swell I think its the whole "What you say and how you say it" thing. A forum is for opinions and discussions. Otherwise, it ceases to be a forum. It's not just here. It's everywhere in our culture now. We've become so divided and extreme in our opinions. Everything is either amazing or it sucks. In politics, people are good or evil. There's no room for intelligent discussion. So I completely agree, I would much rather people say how they feel and explain why than read a litany of posts saying "f*** this sucks I'm out peace." It's more hilarious to me than anything, but it's still not contributing anything useful other than making this place look like a haven of hate. And that's why I explain why I didn't like something, whether I seem wrong or not I at least want to come off like my brain is forming a cohesive thought progression other than being an asshole troll or something.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 26, 2014 22:35:39 GMT -5
A little levity from Good Ol' JR. Honestly, I'm a bit paranoid for what this means for Ambrose's push. Hopefully, they aren't putting him on the JTTS track. Optimistically speaking, Wyatt/Ambrose does have the potential to be really good. Seeing a JR Tweet reminds me of how greatly missed he is for Commentary, especially for these types of matches.
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Post by thetower52 on Oct 26, 2014 22:35:57 GMT -5
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Oct 26, 2014 22:36:14 GMT -5
Because I'd rather see the people who hate everything just flat out leave instead of threatening to stop watching every 3 days and not doing so, thereby clouding up the whole forum with negativity This negativity and lashing out at people who are not enjoying things like you is just as bad if not worse. I see some people that flat out refuse to believe that someone can not like whatever it is WWE is pushing at the top and then have the gall to tell the fans they are wrong for not being happy and wanting people to go away. I find that far more disturbing than people hating something they watched. Because for me it works out like this in two scenarios. Scenario A - Person 1 hates everything and complains too much - Person 2 doesn't hate everything but gets annoyed seeing so many complaints - Everyone's annoyed for different reasons Scenario B - Person 1 hates everything keeps their constant negativity to themselves - Person 2 doesn't hate everything but isn't brought down by negativity from others - The whole forum is now a more positive environment Personally, I'd prefer scenario B since I think that will lead to more fun threads like the Photoshop stuff that doesn't seem to be popping up at all lately, among other things. People can like and dislike what they want, but I can't think of any other environment where people can hate something so much but continue to show up. And not only show up, but even at times be the big majority. Like you wouldn't see someone who's hated Linkin Park's last 3 albums continuously show up on a Linkin Park forum just to talk about how awful Linkin Park is. Or at the VERY least stick to threads about their old songs that they enjoyed.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Oct 26, 2014 22:36:37 GMT -5
IMO, the Cell is not used to its maximum potential. I would rather the match just be a No Holds Barred match or some variation of it. Ends up being better overall and more violent which is what HITC is promoted as and, in the case of some feuds (like Ambrose/Rollins), calls for. Lately, I feel the Cell has been kind of a hinderance/there just for show. With the exception of the top of the cell stuff until they came crashing down on the announce tables, the match could've been done sans cage and probably crazier. It's just the way I've been feeling after every Hell in the Cell PPV these last few years. I just don't dig the watered down version. There is a certain tension in the air anytime someone is on top of the cell. I imagine Jamie Noble's life flashed before his eyes for just a split second as he took that suplex onto the top of the cell. They probably tested it 100 times beforehand, but you never know... I get an uneasy feeling myself. Seeing Mick Do let's attempts at walking these days makes me realise I've seen a lifetime worth of that stuff. The double table bump tonight was more than enough for me. With the cell basically being double size now I'm interested to see the differences in their length of fall with Foley's. I bet it's closer than we think.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 22:38:37 GMT -5
Aside from the controversial finish to ambrose and rollins, what the heck was so PG and terrible about their match? weapons everywhere, ambrose cursing in the ring... IMO, the Cell is not used to its maximum potential. I would rather the match just be a No Holds Barred match or some variation of it. Ends up being better overall and more violent which is what HITC is promoted as and, in the case of some feuds (like Ambrose/Rollins), calls for. Lately, I feel the Cell has been kind of a hinderance/there just for show. With the exception of the top of the cell stuff until they came crashing down on the announce tables, the match could've been done sans cage and probably crazier. It's just the way I've been feeling after every Hell in the Cell PPV these last few years. I just don't dig the watered down version. Is it really all that different from cell matches of the 90s/early 2000s? You still have all the same offensive moves, powerbombs, batterin rams, smearing of the faces into the grates. I think Ambrose/Rollins captured the vibe of a guy who really wants to kill someone in that cage. The problem is WWE hasn't served us a feud in years that actually warranted being in the cell match and even though I personally think this match had an aura worthy of it, I won't lie that they had to work for it. The tail end of this feud has been rough and Ambrose has been doing some really silly stuff of late (the pogo stick promo, the mustard guns, the Nickelodeon gloop). I mean the cell match has been around for decades now, and is kind of just one of those ingrained stipulation matches like the cage match now. Even in the Attitude era the cage match was one of those "seen it" matches that added a texture to a match but kind of taken for granted, and I think the Cell is there now. The WWE did some serious damage to the match but I don't think the PG limitations are as big of a dealbreaker as their own marginalization of the match has been.
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Oct 26, 2014 22:42:48 GMT -5
>implying the same person has these opinions
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Post by Chiral on Oct 26, 2014 22:44:45 GMT -5
>implying the same person has these opinions Ah, the fabled HIVEMIND™.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 22:45:54 GMT -5
The first was done before the second - these aren't contradictory opinions. Not that I like Bray in the first place (though I didn't like what they did to him either), but at this point the damage is done and any credibility he had is lost so he just drags Ambrose down to his level.
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Post by waitingforjune on Oct 26, 2014 22:46:25 GMT -5
A little levity from Good Ol' JR. Honestly, I'm a bit paranoid for what this means for Ambrose's push. Hopefully, they aren't putting him on the JTTS track. Optimistically speaking, Wyatt/Ambrose does have the potential to be really good. I'm going on the assumption that Ambrose/Wyatt is THE main event angle (exception being whenever the WWEWHC is reintroduced), so I'm not worried about Ambrose's push at all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 22:46:54 GMT -5
This negativity and lashing out at people who are not enjoying things like you is just as bad if not worse. I see some people that flat out refuse to believe that someone can not like whatever it is WWE is pushing at the top and then have the gall to tell the fans they are wrong for not being happy and wanting people to go away. I find that far more disturbing than people hating something they watched. Because for me it works out like this in two scenarios. Scenario A - Person 1 hates everything and complains too much - Person 2 doesn't hate everything but gets annoyed seeing so many complaints - Everyone's annoyed for different reasons Scenario B - Person 1 hates everything keeps their constant negativity to themselves - Person 2 doesn't hate everything but isn't brought down by negativity from others - The whole forum is now a more positive environment Personally, I'd prefer scenario B since I think that will lead to more fun threads like the Photoshop stuff that doesn't seem to be popping up at all lately, among other things. People can like and dislike what they want, but I can't think of any other environment where people can hate something so much but continue to show up. And not only show up, but even at times be the big majority. Like you wouldn't see someone who's hated Linkin Park's last 3 albums continuously show up on a Linkin Park forum just to talk about how awful Linkin Park is. Or at the VERY least stick to threads about their old songs that they enjoyed. But on this forum I don't think one member exists who is always negative. Truth be told aside from three or four posts, all of us who disliked the ending gave reasons why, the only reason negativity came out forthright after it was due to the tone of yourself and several other posters as the posts seemed like aimless attacks on anyone who weren't content with how the show ended. Pulling out the strawman phrase of 'everyone who isn't happy is a whiner' is never the way forward, it will never lead to dialogue with inherent value, and it paints those who target people over the content of their arguments as devoid of independent thought. I'm not saying you or anyone else who did that is, but for every one person who gave reasons they were displeased, another person said 'I thought it was cool' so there's not some skewed negativity bias. There's no hivemind of negativity, if the forum gets to you in a way where you believe negativity has killed discussion then avoid the WWE section and log off for a while. If you want people to post in one specific way then forums with posters like me and many others who write mini essays on whether we like or dislike something may not be ideal for the time being.
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Post by 2CSultan on Oct 26, 2014 22:46:59 GMT -5
I understand your point, but if Rollins loses tonight, he's back to the midcard. Now he can feud with Orton for at least two PPV's Remember how Bryan had been pinned by Orton twice from the period between SummerSlam to WM30, before he got his redemption in New Orleans? Dean's story with Rollins is still not over. But it isn't the same because Rollins is a chickensh*t heel and DB was the most over babyface since The Rock.
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Post by xCompackx on Oct 26, 2014 22:49:21 GMT -5
IMO, the Cell is not used to its maximum potential. I would rather the match just be a No Holds Barred match or some variation of it. Ends up being better overall and more violent which is what HITC is promoted as and, in the case of some feuds (like Ambrose/Rollins), calls for. Lately, I feel the Cell has been kind of a hinderance/there just for show. With the exception of the top of the cell stuff until they came crashing down on the announce tables, the match could've been done sans cage and probably crazier. It's just the way I've been feeling after every Hell in the Cell PPV these last few years. I just don't dig the watered down version. There is a certain tension in the air anytime someone is on top of the cell. I imagine Jamie Noble's life flashed before his eyes for just a split second as he took that suplex onto the top of the cell. They probably tested it 100 times beforehand, but you never know... I'd be more afraid if they had tested it, honestly. People can tell you something like that is safe all day, but there is no test or reassurance to make a suplex on top of the cell safe. Jamie Noble earned some major points with that.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Oct 26, 2014 22:49:26 GMT -5
Remember how Bryan had been pinned by Orton twice from the period between SummerSlam to WM30, before he got his redemption in New Orleans? Dean's story with Rollins is still not over. But it isn't the same because Rollins is a chickensh*t heel and DB was the most over babyface since The Rock. Orton was the chickenshit heel too, winning his matches over Bryan via outside influences (HHH Pedigreeing DB at SS and Michaels with the SCM at HIAC), never thru his own efforts. And one could say that Ambrose is the most over babyface right now, since the one face that WWE likes to think is over (Cena), is the guy that's hated by half the crowd.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Oct 26, 2014 22:49:33 GMT -5
This negativity and lashing out at people who are not enjoying things like you is just as bad if not worse. I see some people that flat out refuse to believe that someone can not like whatever it is WWE is pushing at the top and then have the gall to tell the fans they are wrong for not being happy and wanting people to go away. I find that far more disturbing than people hating something they watched. Because for me it works out like this in two scenarios. Scenario A - Person 1 hates everything and complains too much - Person 2 doesn't hate everything but gets annoyed seeing so many complaints - Everyone's annoyed for different reasons Scenario B - Person 1 hates everything keeps their constant negativity to themselves - Person 2 doesn't hate everything but isn't brought down by negativity from others - The whole forum is now a more positive environment Personally, I'd prefer scenario B since I think that will lead to more fun threads like the Photoshop stuff that doesn't seem to be popping up at all lately, among other things. People can like and dislike what they want, but I can't think of any other environment where people can hate something so much but continue to show up. And not only show up, but even at times be the big majority. Like you wouldn't see someone who's hated Linkin Park's last 3 albums continuously show up on a Linkin Park forum just to talk about how awful Linkin Park is. Or at the VERY least stick to threads about their old songs that they enjoyed. Except the nonstop complaints about what people like or don't and telling people to leave leads to A as this thread has so greatly shown. Instead of telling people how to act or what to do with their free time, block them so none of us have to deal with it.
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Post by 2CSultan on Oct 26, 2014 22:50:22 GMT -5
I understand your point, but if Rollins loses tonight, he's back to the midcard. Now he can feud with Orton for at least two PPV's Rollins as the chicken-shit heel can much more easily shrug off a single loss in a gimmick match. He wouldn't have to go back to the mid-card. But none of it matters. The moment matters. If we never get good finishes, if the good guys never win then wrestling isn't even worth watching. I'm tired of waiting for the day that never comes. How many good PPV finishes have we seen in the last 3 years of WWE? I can count them possibly on two hands with fingers to spare. We have two different theories of booking. I prefer the chase and the payoff similar to the 80's territories and early 2000's WWE. You prefer "send the fans home happy". Nothing wrong with that. Just two different POV.
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Post by MGH on Oct 26, 2014 22:51:57 GMT -5
Here is where I get lost tonight.
I saw a lot of, "Wow, that was cool. I'm stoked."
I saw a lot of, "Wow, that f***ing sucked. I'm out."
I seem to be missing all of the, "That was awful and if you liked it you're a miserable WWE apologist".
Yet somehow my wires must be getting crossed, because a lot of people who liked it apparently planned for war and came prepared with over defensiveness and unnecessary attacks.
I don't get it. In my world "I hated that" doesn't equate to "I hated that and I hate you if you did you idiot". Maybe it's just me.
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Post by lildude8218 on Oct 26, 2014 22:54:22 GMT -5
and now for no reason Deucalion comes out and kills Dean Ambrose hey, there's no way to prove that I was wrong.....
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