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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 30, 2014 16:05:22 GMT -5
This is actually one of my least favorite Simpsons episodes. I was never really fond of it, though the best moments didn't involve Lisa. I liked the Flanders family affair bit. Also, "You don't win friends with salad" was just gold. There were great jokes in the episode, but I didn't like how Lisa was just so preachy in the episode until the end of it. Then again, I am not sure which Lisa-based episodes I actually DO like. Oh, wait, "Lisa's Rival" was a good one. Never mind. I certainly love this one when compared to the one with the angel later on. In that one I REALLY feel like Lisa is absolutely horrible, especially to Marge. But then season 9 was where the rot set in.
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Post by agent817 on Sept 30, 2014 16:08:12 GMT -5
This is actually one of my least favorite Simpsons episodes. I was never really fond of it, though the best moments didn't involve Lisa. I liked the Flanders family affair bit. Also, "You don't win friends with salad" was just gold. There were great jokes in the episode, but I didn't like how Lisa was just so preachy in the episode until the end of it. Then again, I am not sure which Lisa-based episodes I actually DO like. Oh, wait, "Lisa's Rival" was a good one. Never mind. I certainly love this one when compared to the one with the angel later on. In that one I REALLY feel like Lisa is absolutely horrible, especially to Marge. But then season 9 was where the rot set in. Now that you mention it, the one with the angel is one that I found Lisa intolerable. I didn't mind "Lisa The Inconoclast" now that I think about it, but it felt like a mystery episode, though Homer's bits were actually funny.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 30, 2014 16:32:23 GMT -5
I must be one of the few who actually loves Lisa Simpson. I don't know what her character is like these days because I haven't watched the show since Season 13 or thereabouts, but before that I liked her. She was the voice of reason and rationality for the most part.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 17:34:39 GMT -5
I think I'll watch this episode again...when pugs fly heheheh. Those poor puppies
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Post by Blindkarevik on Sept 30, 2014 18:00:49 GMT -5
Marge: BART, NO!!! Bart: What? I'm right here! Marge: Sorry, force of habit. LISA, NO!!!!!
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Post by Blindkarevik on Sept 30, 2014 18:03:36 GMT -5
Everyone always misses the point of Lisa episodes. It's no accident the Family Guy crossover paired Meg and Lisa. Lisa was acting above it all to her family. Apu talks to her and then tells her he thinks she's a monster because she's not vegan.....it's as though, they're pointing out there's always another belief and someone always thinks someone else is wrong. Apu teaches Lisa she was wrong, not right. Lisa is NEVER right in the show. Where do people get this idea Lisa is portrayed as always right? That's why I absolutely loved Lisa's moment when Flanders was coaching the Football team. Lisa (to Flanders): What position have you got for me? (The kids gasps) That's right. A girl who wants to play football. How about that? Flanders: Well, thats super-duper, Lisa. We've already got four girls on the team. Lisa: You do? Flanders: Uh huh, but we'd love to have you on board! Lisa: Well...football's not really my thing. After all...what kind of civilized person would play a game with the skin of an innocent pig?! Flanders: Well, actually, Lisa, these balls are synthetic! Janey: And for every ball you buy, a dollar goes to Amnesty International! Lisa: (crying) I've gotta go!
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Post by kevin on Sept 30, 2014 18:08:55 GMT -5
If he could the cow would murder you and your whole family made that episode. The Simpsons stated to show its age in season six and this season seven episode while still having many hilarious moments definitely showed the emerging problems that would turn the Simpson from the funniest show of all time to a painful bad show that it hurt to watch. Lisa was terrible this episode but far worse was she kept the change. The Simpson had Bart graduate form fourth grade multiple times characters should not change anywhere near as radically as Lisa did on this show. Cameos for no reason that add nothing was just starting to become a problem that would later make the show an unwatchable mess. It is not a bad episode but it showed signs of what The Simpsons would become.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 18:31:23 GMT -5
Everyone always misses the point of Lisa episodes. It's no accident the Family Guy crossover paired Meg and Lisa. Lisa was acting above it all to her family. Apu talks to her and then tells her he thinks she's a monster because she's not vegan.....it's as though, they're pointing out there's always another belief and someone always thinks someone else is wrong. Apu teaches Lisa she was wrong, not right. Lisa is NEVER right in the show. Where do people get this idea Lisa is portrayed as always right? This is gonna venture into sociological territory, but it stems from the fact that the writers are often overprotective of her to the point where nothing bad can ever happen to Lisa, and if anything does, she bounces back quickly or gets a massive consolation prize. Sure, it's okay to relish in Bart's failures, present him as a waste of carbon when he grows up, and do an episode where he is driven to suicide (which I did love because Bart's disdain by the town was due to spectacular failure, but there's a major problem), but nothing wrong should happen to Lisa, even when she goes against her beliefs, like "Lisa the Skeptic", where she stances that religion & science could never coexist in any capacity. And, Yeardley Smith is the most limited VA of the group. The other problem is that she badgers others until they give in. "All's Fair In Oven War" is a great example of this negative attribute, where everybody is extremely cruel to Marge, but when Marge seeks revenge, Lisa works on making Marge feel so bad that the worst possible entrant wins the contest by default. Plus, remember that Lisa didn't take full responsibility for ruining the BBBQ.
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 30, 2014 19:41:06 GMT -5
Everyone always misses the point of Lisa episodes. It's no accident the Family Guy crossover paired Meg and Lisa. Lisa was acting above it all to her family. Apu talks to her and then tells her he thinks she's a monster because she's not vegan.....it's as though, they're pointing out there's always another belief and someone always thinks someone else is wrong. Apu teaches Lisa she was wrong, not right. Lisa is NEVER right in the show. Where do people get this idea Lisa is portrayed as always right? This is gonna venture into sociological territory, but it stems from the fact that the writers are often overprotective of her to the point where nothing bad can ever happen to Lisa, and if anything does, she bounces back quickly or gets a massive consolation prize. Sure, it's okay to relish in Bart's failures, present him as a waste of carbon when he grows up, and do an episode where he is driven to suicide (which I did love because Bart's disdain by the town was due to spectacular failure, but there's a major problem), but nothing wrong should happen to Lisa, even when she goes against her beliefs, like "Lisa the Skeptic", where she stances that religion & science could never coexist in any capacity. And, Yeardley Smith is the most limited VA of the group. The other problem is that she badgers others until they give in. "All's Fair In Oven War" is a great example of this negative attribute, where everybody is extremely cruel to Marge, but when Marge seeks revenge, Lisa works on making Marge feel so bad that the worst possible entrant wins the contest by default. Plus, remember that Lisa didn't take full responsibility for ruining the BBBQ. In the only future episode to have a sequel, she ends up with Milhouse. That is a fate worse than anything that happens to Bart.
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