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Post by SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids on Oct 3, 2014 16:31:30 GMT -5
What annoys me about retrospective canonisation of someone like Jake Roberts is that fans today would boo the crap out of him because "ring psychology" often didn't involve doing that much and a slower pace. Jake Roberts today would get the "boring" chant inside 3 minutes by the same fans who pretend to be so impressed with his work. The art of psychology and telling a story and a match having its own self-contained narrative is dead because "rest holds are boring now". Go back 20 years and watch those now lauded as ring-masters and generals and see how much wouldn't get crapped on by todays audience. It's not a lot. I think this is why storylines barely last a segment nowadays too. If it isn't done fast and five minutes ago we get bored. It's a disease that has helped ruin wrestling for a lot of people. There's simply no scope for narrative either inside the ring or in a storyline arc. This is a larger societal problem in entertainment.
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Post by SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids on Oct 3, 2014 16:36:09 GMT -5
I'm kind of shocked no one has yet addressed the other important reason for a rest hold --plotting out the spots. That's when the wrestlers really get to talk to each other in the ring: to agree on the spot, to shake off a spot if a wrestler doesn't want to do it, to check with the ref on pacing and time, to ensure a wrestler isn't seriously hurt, thus needing to improvise, and to change the plan spontaneously.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 17:38:34 GMT -5
I think it was Jim Ross on a recent podcast addressed the subject, and said that the problem was that the babyface doesn't frantically try to prevent the hold to being locked in like MMA fighters do in actual bouts. Apply a legit chokehold in a fight and that's a rap. So their portrayal of the move is both inaccurate and lazy. But aren't chokeholds illegal in wrestling? A chinlock isn't a chokehold, and it used to always be the issue of "is he slipping that forearm under the chin?" Not that they ever, ever explicitly point things like this out anymore. And you've got guys like Samoa Joe who uses a rear naked choke, though that's a blood choke, but so is a sleeper. Damn I'm confused.
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Post by sportatorium on Oct 3, 2014 18:12:41 GMT -5
I'm kind of shocked no one has yet addressed the other important reason for a rest hold --plotting out the spots. That's when the wrestlers really get to talk to each other in the ring: to agree on the spot, to shake off a spot if a wrestler doesn't want to do it, to check with the ref on pacing and time, to ensure a wrestler isn't seriously hurt, thus needing to improvise, and to change the plan spontaneously. None of that matters- Moonsaults!
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Post by SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids on Oct 3, 2014 20:50:18 GMT -5
I'm kind of shocked no one has yet addressed the other important reason for a rest hold --plotting out the spots. That's when the wrestlers really get to talk to each other in the ring: to agree on the spot, to shake off a spot if a wrestler doesn't want to do it, to check with the ref on pacing and time, to ensure a wrestler isn't seriously hurt, thus needing to improvise, and to change the plan spontaneously. None of that matters- Moonsaults! You got me, Gabe...
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