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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Oct 5, 2014 10:42:20 GMT -5
SARS, Bird Flu, Swine Flu, Aids/HIV, now Ebola. Do you want to know the one commonality from all of these events/outbreaks? Cable news. And the saddest thing is that when an actual pandemic outbreak happens, we'll have a "boy who cried wolf" effect.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Oct 5, 2014 10:49:43 GMT -5
Well, at least the media are staying level-headed about this: Please tell me this is not a legit cover or front page. PLEASE. I have it in my hand. It came out before the guy came.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 13:54:10 GMT -5
I think we also need to be specific where in Africa the outbreaks even happen. Like, IF THE ENTIRE CONTINENT OF AFRICA was caught up in an outbreak...? Dude, the continent is massive. Some of our maps don't even depict the size of it accurately. You know how many people that'd be?
And another thought...since the symptoms of it apparently look a lot like the flu and healthcare in the States can still be expensive as shit, you could have people who could show symptoms otherwise not go get checked out just because that's a medical bill they aren't sure they can deal with...
That being said, it's so difficult to really get infected...
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Post by ICBM on Oct 5, 2014 14:44:02 GMT -5
SARS, Bird Flu, Swine Flu, Aids/HIV, now Ebola. Do you want to know the one commonality from all of these events/outbreaks? Cable news. And the saddest thing is that when an actual pandemic outbreak happens, we'll have a "boy who cried wolf" effect. Exactly
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Post by Wolfman Rose on Oct 5, 2014 16:12:10 GMT -5
SARS, Bird Flu, Swine Flu, Aids/HIV, now Ebola. Do you want to know the one commonality from all of these events/outbreaks? Cable news. And the saddest thing is that when an actual pandemic outbreak happens, we'll have a "boy who cried wolf" effect. Sorry, can't pass another post dismissing the flu strains. The usual human strain of flu is dangerous enough, and f***ing impossible to control. Strains crossing the species barrier *are* panic worthy, because they do naught but wreak absolute havoc on brand new organisms that they can infect. They are so, so contagious, and the worst part is, you don't know unless there's gene analysis which one you're dealing with. So given those factors, the massive response is worth it. If we didn't have it, hundreds of thousands would likely die within a month.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Oct 5, 2014 16:47:18 GMT -5
And the saddest thing is that when an actual pandemic outbreak happens, we'll have a "boy who cried wolf" effect. Sorry, can't pass another post dismissing the flu strains. The usual human strain of flu is dangerous enough, and f***ing impossible to control. Strains crossing the species barrier *are* panic worthy, because they do naught but wreak absolute havoc on brand new organisms that they can infect. They are so, so contagious, and the worst part is, you don't know unless there's gene analysis which one you're dealing with. So given those factors, the massive response is worth it. If we didn't have it, hundreds of thousands would likely die within a month. Panic never improves anything. At most it makes things worse. Wanna know why there weren't hundreds of thousands of people who died within a month? Because there are infrastructures set in place lead by competent people to ensure it doesn't happen, because they planned for such an occasion. I'm pretty sure more people die of regular flu every year than have died through the entire swine or bird flu outbreak and you don't see people freaking out and the media going "PANDEMIC! PANDEMIC! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE! FREAK OUT IMMEDIATELY!" over it. Stuff like this is just making people who are fine waste doctors' time that they could have spent with people who actually need to be looked at because they're afraid that their runny nose means they've got the flu. Hell, of all the diseases mentioned above, AIDS is by far the most direct and virulent threat to most of humanity, not to mention infections are apparently on the rise again, and you don't see newspapers with "AIDS IS COMING" headlines in big blood-red letters, and thank God for that because if people had to freak out every time someone gets laid without using a condom, we'd be doing nothing but that.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 5, 2014 23:12:07 GMT -5
When it comes to over-reactions, I don't think anybody can beat this dude:
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Post by Venti on Oct 5, 2014 23:51:52 GMT -5
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Oct 6, 2014 1:17:35 GMT -5
Sorry, can't pass another post dismissing the flu strains. The usual human strain of flu is dangerous enough, and f***ing impossible to control. Strains crossing the species barrier *are* panic worthy, because they do naught but wreak absolute havoc on brand new organisms that they can infect. They are so, so contagious, and the worst part is, you don't know unless there's gene analysis which one you're dealing with. So given those factors, the massive response is worth it. If we didn't have it, hundreds of thousands would likely die within a month. Panic never improves anything. At most it makes things worse. Wanna know why there weren't hundreds of thousands of people who died within a month? Because there are infrastructures set in place lead by competent people to ensure it doesn't happen, because they planned for such an occasion. I'm pretty sure more people die of regular flu every year than have died through the entire swine or bird flu outbreak and you don't see people freaking out and the media going "PANDEMIC! PANDEMIC! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE! FREAK OUT IMMEDIATELY!" over it. Stuff like this is just making people who are fine waste doctors' time that they could have spent with people who actually need to be looked at because they're afraid that their runny nose means they've got the flu. Hell, of all the diseases mentioned above, AIDS is by far the most direct and virulent threat to most of humanity, not to mention infections are apparently on the rise again, and you don't see newspapers with "AIDS IS COMING" headlines in big blood-red letters, and thank God for that because if people had to freak out every time someone gets laid without using a condom, we'd be doing nothing but that. Actually, AIDS is not as contagious as you might think. When the US stepped up to help contain the pandemic that was taking shape in South Africa, do you know what the two most effective means of containment was? 1) Educating the populace about the disease, which probably does not surprise you. 2) Helping treat common STDs like Syphilis, Chlamydia, and Gonorrhea, which may have surprised you. As it turns out, basic health care in South Africa was bad enough that most common STDs went untreated. The open sores that result from untreated STDs made people at a minimum 5X more likely to get infected when exposure occurred. In the US it is not unheard of to have unprotected sex with someone that turns out to be HIV positive, especially for men, because we don't have these issues. This was not the case in South Africa, all for the want of a couple of hundred thousand dollars worth of antibiotics for the entire country. This is a case where an ounce of prevention was worth a ton of treatment. Additionally, the disease is becoming less virulent as our understanding of the disease improves. Anti-viral treatments are improving both in terms of effectiveness and in reduction of side effects (early antiretroviral drugs destroyed your immune system as well and were barely better than leaving the disease untreated). Serum treatment is becoming cheaper and more widespread as well.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Oct 6, 2014 1:19:00 GMT -5
When it comes to over-reactions, I don't think anybody can beat this dude: This guy is a professional troll.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Oct 6, 2014 12:13:05 GMT -5
When it comes to over-reactions, I don't think anybody can beat this dude: This guy is a professional troll. Pretty much, yes. He's an attention seeking, racist asshole. This is the same guy who called Native Americans 'savages' a few days ago.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Oct 8, 2014 12:45:37 GMT -5
he's dead
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Post by thetower52 on Oct 8, 2014 14:09:52 GMT -5
Does everyone Calm down now ?
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Post by Mayonnaise on Oct 8, 2014 14:16:04 GMT -5
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Post by tonymorrisonphd on Oct 15, 2014 22:49:46 GMT -5
... and another, one who traveled cross-country with a slight fever. It's beginning to look like the virus may be more contagious than was originally let on, which is cause for at least slight concern.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Oct 16, 2014 0:56:28 GMT -5
... and another, one who traveled cross-country with a slight fever. It's beginning to look like the virus may be more contagious than was originally let on, which is cause for at least slight concern. What is far more likely is that both of these nurses did not take proper care when removing their hazmat suits when dealing with the guy. It is not a simple task to suit up and then properly unsuit after you are done. I seriously doubt either of them had proper training or if they had it wasn't recent. This is the reason that they are shipping patients to specific centers now. There are a handful of facilities where training, routine, and equipment are considered up to the task to prevent these type of infections.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Oct 16, 2014 5:56:41 GMT -5
... and another, one who traveled cross-country with a slight fever. It's beginning to look like the virus may be more contagious than was originally let on, which is cause for at least slight concern. What is far more likely is that both of these nurses did not take proper care when removing their hazmat suits when dealing with the guy. It is not a simple task to suit up and then properly unsuit after you are done. I seriously doubt either of them had proper training or if they had it wasn't recent. This is the reason that they are shipping patients to specific centers now. There are a handful of facilities where training, routine, and equipment are considered up to the task to prevent these type of infections. Quoted for truth. You know what is really pissing me off? In El Paso TX, 6 babies got infected with TB (an easier disease to spread than ebola)by a nurse who had a positive test and the powers that be dismissed it as a false positive, and nobody gives a flying f***. Yes, I know the prick TB test is unreliable, too many false positives, but still.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 16, 2014 6:17:36 GMT -5
Ebola has shown the major problem with 24 hour news channels. They have too much time to fill so they generally manufacture the news. Constant fearmongering and hysteria. The average citizen is at more risk from dying by falling over their own feet than being killed by Ebola, but if you watch the cable news channels, you'd think that it's like something from 28 Days Later. Even the graphics used on these news channels (lots of red, of course) are designed to spread terror and paranoia.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 16, 2014 7:02:15 GMT -5
... and another, one who traveled cross-country with a slight fever. It's beginning to look like the virus may be more contagious than was originally let on, which is cause for at least slight concern. What is far more likely is that both of these nurses did not take proper care when removing their hazmat suits when dealing with the guy. It is not a simple task to suit up and then properly unsuit after you are done. I seriously doubt either of them had proper training or if they had it wasn't recent. This is the reason that they are shipping patients to specific centers now. There are a handful of facilities where training, routine, and equipment are considered up to the task to prevent these type of infections. Didn't it come out that the hospital totally messed up the entire situation with how they handled the guy or am I just making that up?
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Post by MC Blowfish on Oct 16, 2014 9:50:01 GMT -5
... and another, one who traveled cross-country with a slight fever. It's beginning to look like the virus may be more contagious than was originally let on, which is cause for at least slight concern. What is far more likely is that both of these nurses did not take proper care when removing their hazmat suits when dealing with the guy. It is not a simple task to suit up and then properly unsuit after you are done. I seriously doubt either of them had proper training or if they had it wasn't recent. This is the reason that they are shipping patients to specific centers now. There are a handful of facilities where training, routine, and equipment are considered up to the task to prevent these type of infections. From what I've read, they didn't have full hazmat suits.
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