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Post by Chainsaw on Sept 26, 2015 18:26:17 GMT -5
I think the best thing for Stryker is for them to bring in Michael Schiavello as the PBP guy and Stryker does commentary. I saw hints of that during Ultima Lucha, because it felt like a lot of times Shiavello was taking lead in calling the moves, and Stryker followed suit as the knowledge guy.
And I know people get on his case, but I love how Stryker paints a picture of the wrestlers' personalities. I know he caught a lot of flack for making stuff up about people on the fly in WWE, but I actually loved how he did that. It makes it more interesting and fun to me, and gives life to the lesser characters.
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Post by Woo on Sept 27, 2015 5:47:31 GMT -5
Just watched up till the Trios tag team match and I think you can count on one hand the amount of times I've been that happy by a result and seeing how I didn't know who Son of Havok or Angelico were three days ago says it all!
Also I was on the edge of my seat watching Pentagon Jr vs Sexy Star. I didn't mind Pentagon Jr breaking the arms of Famous B, Ricky Mandell or that other jobber and thought he was cool but when he moved on to Argenis I was like "No!!!" Then he tried breaking the arm of Superfly and again I was hoping it wouldn't happen and was so happy when Sexy saved him. Then we have the mask vs mask match which was brilliant and I Pentagon Jr when he ruined Superfly's standing ovation and broke his arm too. The fact we haven't seen any of his five victims again just highlights how serious he is so when he attacked Melissa Santos I was so worried for her and again relived when Sexy Star got the save. I spent the entire Star/Pentagon match praying that Sexy didn't suffer the same fate as the other 5 and marked out for her win.
I don't like that the Catalina/Fenix relationship was seemingly dropped as I was loving that angle and thought now with Mill gone they would be together and Catalina would turn him evil.
Also the Black Lotus stuff is great, the Kill Bill type background animation was phenomenal. I am worried Angela Fong isn't going to be good enough in the ring to pay-off the angle and think it's a shame that Mia Yim or someone was given that role, but I'll see what happens and hopefully she'll surprise me.
My only complaint is Prince Puma. I know why he doesn't talk but he just seems like a CAW to me or Claude Speed in GTA 3 where your main character doesn't talk or have any character.
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Post by Woo on Sept 28, 2015 14:57:59 GMT -5
I've just seen the Chavo vs Drago match with the DQ ending and ugh. Hernendez is Lucha Underground's Local Man. He's literally ruined everything. I think he ruined at least two of Puma's title matches, ruined his own trios match and now this. Also he sucks on the mic in those backstage segments. Yep, even in the pre-recorded back stage segments he still can't promo.
Seriously go away Hernendez and take Davari with you. Davari is just not good enough for this promotion.
Drago's return as been disapointing so far. The four way match wasn't very good, thanks Hernendez, and the Mill match was slow and plodding and now this. Can he face Aerostar again?
Lastly in season 2 Prince Puma is going to have to talk. It's becoming harder and harder to root for the silent mute as the show goes on.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Sept 28, 2015 19:46:13 GMT -5
Don't worry, Hernandez got released after pulling a Rick Rude and showing up in TNA while still under contract to LU.
It seemed like they were going to give Daivari an interesting character, then they jobbed him hard.
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Post by Burst on Sept 28, 2015 20:00:04 GMT -5
The complaints about Prince Puma being a boring mute really make me want to see a gimmick of a wrestler who can basically only talk like Mario or Link. As in, grunts, screams, HYAAA!'s, maaaaybe some short "It's-a-me" sort of phrases, but no full sentences.
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Post by Chainsaw on Sept 28, 2015 21:14:45 GMT -5
Honestly, I like what they were doing with Daivari's character. The idea of a rich prick like the Shahs Of Sunset was definitely much better than how it could have gone. It's so hard for Middle Eastern wrestlers to not be used as evil terrorist foreigners, so I give them credit for trying something different. And, at the very least, the all gold tights were amazing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 22:44:42 GMT -5
I was interested to see what DaiVari's character would end up doing since like a few he came in at the later stage which didn't give him a season arc but if he returns I wanna see more interactions between he and Dario.
Because that segment between he and Dario in his office was great stuff and immediately set off a huge ammount of tension between both and I would love to see Daivari keep flaunting his wealth in Darios face before he makes Daivaris life a living nightmare.
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Post by chrom on Sept 28, 2015 23:06:44 GMT -5
Since Dario loves money as much as he loves violence, I was thinking Daivari would slip a few bills into his palm and get the services of The Crew to aid him against Ryck if both are back for next season. As well as turn a blind eye to any unsavory actions or characters he brings in.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 23:25:42 GMT -5
I don't think Dario would bother with Daivaris money since he seemingly has endless pockets himself and from his initial reaction to Daivari he doesn't much like someone flaunting their wealth in proclamation that they are above him.
If Daivari returns I can see him trying to financially make a play to "buy" Darios temple only to bleed himself dry and leave himself at the mercy of Dario who feeds him to Matanza...seems like the kind of scenario that plays right into Darios hands.
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Post by PL23 on Sept 29, 2015 7:21:28 GMT -5
Beyond happy that we've got Season 2. I'm a relative latecomer to LU but it's very quickly become my favourite thing in wrestling. Look forward to seeing how Vampiro/Pentagon develops (I loved that swerve), and hopefully Muertes/Fenix III. Going to be interesting to see how they explain staying in the temple though. Perhaps someone keeps it running in Cueto's absence, leading to his eventual return with Lotus and Matanza?
I'd like to see Cuerno pushed more this season, but I'm nitpicking. I have faith in everything they do. Imagine that, faith in a wrestling promotion.
I'd really be up for a Pentagon/Puma feud, working on the previously utilised tension between Konnan/Vampiro.
I've been critical of him before, but I love Striker on commentary in LU. Adds so much to the action and the characters. Thought he worked really well with Schiavello at Ultima Lucha.
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Post by Woo on Sept 29, 2015 17:37:26 GMT -5
Beyond happy that we've got Season 2. I'm a relative latecomer to LU but it's very quickly become my favourite thing in wrestling. Look forward to seeing how Vampiro/Pentagon develops (I loved that swerve), and hopefully Muertes/Fenix III. Going to be interesting to see how they explain staying in the temple though. Perhaps someone keeps it running in Cueto's absence, leading to his eventual return with Lotus and Matanza? I'd like to see Cuerno pushed more this season, but I'm nitpicking. I have faith in everything they do. Imagine that, faith in a wrestling promotion. I'd really be up for a Pentagon/Puma feud, working on the previously utilised tension between Konnan/Vampiro. I've been critical of him before, but I love Striker on commentary in LU. Adds so much to the action and the characters. Thought he worked really well with Schiavello at Ultima Lucha. I've heard a few people say they want Fenix/Mill III, but they've met four times already so you want a 5th! 1) In the match to see who enters Aztec Warefare at #20- Mill won. 2) The match Mill lost which set up the angle where Catrina thought Mill wasn't strong enough- Fenix won 3) Grave Consequences- Fenix won 4) Death Match- Mill won So they are tied at 2-2 and with Fenix having that amazing medalian belt you've got to believe he'll be cashing that it sooner rather than later. I have to say I was wrong for doubting that the Catrina/Fenix angle was done before and they just dropped it. I should have known better. I also doubted Mill's skill after seeing episode 2. I was wrong there too, he's awesome! What I want for season 2: -Matt Striker to remain main play-by-play. I don't like it when he takes shots at the WWE or when he breaks faybe but his ability to call the match, know the moves, know his history and advance the plots is second to none for me. I'd love Vampiro back behind the desk but that's clearly not going to happwn now. Shiavello for me wasn't at all good however and I don't want him back. Honestly I would rather Striker call the matches alone than have him again. -A storyline with Jack Evans and Angelico. They've mentioned that they are tag team partners in AAA and I hope we get an angle with Jack trying to talk Angelico into ditching Team Havok, but Angelico refuses. -A face turn by Cage. I'm sure this is going to happen anyway because that guy is just too good to remain a heel and a match with him vs Mill kind of writes itself. -Bael to come back in a mask as a new character. I just feel so bad for him that his character was literally killed off! The Crew were the most underrated act in LU I think. -Hopefully they can get the Chavo storyline back on track. It completely got derailed when he got injured. -Less former WWE talents. Mundo and Alberto are fine, Big Ryck has a great charaacter but he isn't all that great but I like him, however I can't see any value in Davari aside from the hilarious "Golden Shower!" chants. The talk of Torrie Wilson possibly joining will surely be just that, talk. I can't see any benefit of her at all when there are world class women on the indies. -More Mascarita Dorada! Love that guy! -Something to make the DoD more interesting. Giving them such long complicated names meant I can't remember who's who at all! -More Black Lotus! I really hope she can wrestle as she's had such a great build. Her character joining forces with Dario just came from nowhere really. Why would she suddenly believe Dario of all people? -Matanza not to be a let down. How can it not? Who could it possibly be that won't be a let down after we saw him eat a man's face? I have faith in the writers, but am still worried about this. This show has been a delight to watch. The best (almost) year of wrestling in one promotion I have ever seen!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 18:01:32 GMT -5
Depending on how the story plays out some have theorized that Dragon Azteca was not killed but merely knocked out thus tricking Dario.
But if she really has joined him then she joined him because she believed his tale that Dragon Azteca killed her family mixed with Dragon Azteca not being able to refute any of those claims...Dario cleverly told the tale that made him come off as being completely truthful atleast as far as we know right now.
So it was definetly not out of nowhere there are reasons for the story to play out both ways which is gonna be great as we delve deeper into Darios story in the coming season.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Sept 29, 2015 21:07:14 GMT -5
Just to recap, this whole storyline includes a war between:
-Chinese Triads (Black Lotus' clan) -Mexican gangsters (Dragon Azteca's clan) -The Cueto family -The Guerrero family (Chavo saying the Guerreros and Cuetos have always hated each other, but willing to align for the right amount of money)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 21:51:03 GMT -5
Courtesy of twitter this image is pretty damn cool.
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Post by Chainsaw on Sept 30, 2015 2:07:48 GMT -5
Depending on how the story plays out some have theorized that Dragon Azteca was not killed but merely knocked out thus tricking Dario. But if she really has joined him then she joined him because she believed his tale that Dragon Azteca killed her family mixed with Dragon Azteca not being able to refute any of those claims...Dario cleverly told the tale that made him come off as being completely truthful atleast as far as we know right now. So it was definetly not out of nowhere there are reasons for the story to play out both ways which is gonna be great as we delve deeper into Darios story in the coming season. That's what I love about this show, things can be confusing sometimes, but when taken as a whole, there's alotfo stuff that makes sense. My hope is that whoever the kid in the hoodie is, he takes over the mantle of Dragon Azteca and decided to make it mean something in redemption, since Azteca may not have been the good guy he made himself out to be.
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Post by Woo on Sept 30, 2015 3:06:19 GMT -5
Depending on how the story plays out some have theorized that Dragon Azteca was not killed but merely knocked out thus tricking Dario. But if she really has joined him then she joined him because she believed his tale that Dragon Azteca killed her family mixed with Dragon Azteca not being able to refute any of those claims...Dario cleverly told the tale that made him come off as being completely truthful atleast as far as we know right now. So it was definetly not out of nowhere there are reasons for the story to play out both ways which is gonna be great as we delve deeper into Darios story in the coming season. Not out of nowhere perhaps but why she took Dario at face value I have no idea. I'm pretty sure Azteca is dead. The made a point that the hooded guy we saw in Episode 1 was putting on the mask and becoming the new Azteca. And I'v just realised that Marty hasn't just tied up Sexy Star, he's cocooned her! Clever! I know I should just be happy for season 2, but I want a long seas again. If they reduce it to 22 episodses then they will need to reduce the roster by quite a lot as you would need your main wrestlers on most more shows to continues stories whereas in season 1 you could afford for Fenix, Mill or Drago to sit five or six out in a row.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Sept 30, 2015 3:50:01 GMT -5
Depending on how the story plays out some have theorized that Dragon Azteca was not killed but merely knocked out thus tricking Dario. But if she really has joined him then she joined him because she believed his tale that Dragon Azteca killed her family mixed with Dragon Azteca not being able to refute any of those claims...Dario cleverly told the tale that made him come off as being completely truthful atleast as far as we know right now. So it was definetly not out of nowhere there are reasons for the story to play out both ways which is gonna be great as we delve deeper into Darios story in the coming season. Not out of nowhere perhaps but why she took Dario at face value I have no idea. I'm pretty sure Azteca is dead. The made a point that the hooded guy we saw in Episode 1 was putting on the mask and becoming the new Azteca. And I'v just realised that Marty hasn't just tied up Sexy Star, he's cocooned her! Clever! I know I should just be happy for season 2, but I want a long seas again. If they reduce it to 22 episodses then they will need to reduce the roster by quite a lot as you would need your main wrestlers on most more shows to continues stories whereas in season 1 you could afford for Fenix, Mill or Drago to sit five or six out in a row. Not quite sure. I have a feeling Dragon Azteca faked his death (possibly with the help of Black Lotus), and she's bringing down Cueto from the inside. We got a reveal from Cueto that Dragon Azteca killed Lotus' parents, but, honestly, are we going to trust him?
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Post by Woo on Sept 30, 2015 4:57:30 GMT -5
Not out of nowhere perhaps but why she took Dario at face value I have no idea. I'm pretty sure Azteca is dead. The made a point that the hooded guy we saw in Episode 1 was putting on the mask and becoming the new Azteca. And I'v just realised that Marty hasn't just tied up Sexy Star, he's cocooned her! Clever! I know I should just be happy for season 2, but I want a long seas again. If they reduce it to 22 episodses then they will need to reduce the roster by quite a lot as you would need your main wrestlers on most more shows to continues stories whereas in season 1 you could afford for Fenix, Mill or Drago to sit five or six out in a row. Not quite sure. I have a feeling Dragon Azteca faked his death (possibly with the help of Black Lotus), and she's bringing down Cueto from the inside. We got a reveal from Cueto that Dragon Azteca killed Lotus' parents, but, honestly, are we going to trust him? From the guy who tried to screw Team Havok out of the titles by making them wrestle a second match and then putting them in a Ladder match despite Ivelisse's injured leg, from the guy who promised Johnny Mondo $100,000 only to give it to the Crew and from the guy who keeps a monster locked up in a cell, nope I wouldn't trust him at all! I really do kind of wish that Chavo hadn't turned heel as I marked out when he made his return and wanted Chavo & Lotus vs the Crew.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 14:04:53 GMT -5
Depending on how the story plays out some have theorized that Dragon Azteca was not killed but merely knocked out thus tricking Dario. But if she really has joined him then she joined him because she believed his tale that Dragon Azteca killed her family mixed with Dragon Azteca not being able to refute any of those claims...Dario cleverly told the tale that made him come off as being completely truthful atleast as far as we know right now. So it was definetly not out of nowhere there are reasons for the story to play out both ways which is gonna be great as we delve deeper into Darios story in the coming season. Not out of nowhere perhaps but why she took Dario at face value I have no idea. I'm pretty sure Azteca is dead. The made a point that the hooded guy we saw in Episode 1 was putting on the mask and becoming the new Azteca. And I'v just realised that Marty hasn't just tied up Sexy Star, he's cocooned her! Clever! I know I should just be happy for season 2, but I want a long seas again. If they reduce it to 22 episodses then they will need to reduce the roster by quite a lot as you would need your main wrestlers on most more shows to continues stories whereas in season 1 you could afford for Fenix, Mill or Drago to sit five or six out in a row. That is the clever part here Black Lotus took him at face value so quick and you know Dario would have asked why but then she killed Dragon Azteca thus thinking he won and doesn't have to question her so now the question springs up is , is he really dead? just because someone else took up the mantle doesn't mean he is dead...happens all the time with Batman. And I do not think the roster has to shrink at all just because it is a smaller season unless say they get less than 20 episodes then we may have trouble. But I think it will resaonably be somewhere in the mid 20 to high 20s for the ammount of episodes 39 felt like an awkward number so maybe 30 and if they get anywhere near that then the roster will be fine and will still be more than enough to tell the stories they want to.
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Post by Woo on Sept 30, 2015 14:21:14 GMT -5
Not out of nowhere perhaps but why she took Dario at face value I have no idea. I'm pretty sure Azteca is dead. The made a point that the hooded guy we saw in Episode 1 was putting on the mask and becoming the new Azteca. And I'v just realised that Marty hasn't just tied up Sexy Star, he's cocooned her! Clever! I know I should just be happy for season 2, but I want a long seas again. If they reduce it to 22 episodses then they will need to reduce the roster by quite a lot as you would need your main wrestlers on most more shows to continues stories whereas in season 1 you could afford for Fenix, Mill or Drago to sit five or six out in a row. That is the clever part here Black Lotus took him at face value so quick and you know Dario would have asked why but then she killed Dragon Azteca thus thinking he won and doesn't have to question her so now the question springs up is , is he really dead? just because someone else took up the mantle doesn't mean he is dead...happens all the time with Batman. And I do not think the roster has to shrink at all just because it is a smaller season unless say they get less than 20 episodes then we may have trouble. But I think it will resaonably be somewhere in the mid 20 to high 20s for the ammount of episodes 39 felt like an awkward number so maybe 30 and if they get anywhere near that then the roster will be fine and will still be more than enough to tell the stories they want to. 30 works for me. One of the things I loved about season 1 was that the big names weren't on every show. Sexy Star had the most matches of the year with 20, Son of Havok, Drago and Prince Puma had 19 and King Cuerno, Fenix and Johnny Mundo had 18. If it gets scared back to say 22 episodes then unless they trim down the roster the top guys would only get around 10 or 9 matches for the season which would be a shame. Reading all the doom and gloom in this thread about Vince Russo becoming part of creative was fun. Russo too had a good laugh about it. "I've already killed two wrestling companies."
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