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Post by Bub (BLM) on Oct 14, 2014 10:26:14 GMT -5
I didn't see RAW last night, but please don't tell me they are pushing another Cena/Orton feud Um.... Well hey, you're getting Ambrose vs. Rollins now!
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Post by RedDevil on Oct 14, 2014 10:27:35 GMT -5
They could've gone with Cena vs. Rollins, and Orton vs. Ambrose at HIAC - that would nicely set-up a huge main event at Survivor Series between Cena vs. Orton for the right to challenge Lesnar for the title the next time Lesnar is around!! The other two can then finish their little thing in the midcard somewhere later on, if WWE remembers to book them at all. We'd all be on board with that, right?
Basically what I am saying is things could be worse - at least this way Cena vs. Orton provides a nice long piss break, or an early night's sleep if it's the main event.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 10:27:51 GMT -5
They're trying to make Cena/Orton be like Rock/Triple H but the major difference is Rock/Triple H have battled under many different incarnations of each other. With Cena/Orton they've been the same for the years so it's like nothing has changed. Besides that, they were in this cell match 5 years ago for the WWE title. We don't give a damn about it. It's a pretty interesting way of showing how stagnate the WWE is. Rock and HHH feuded in 1997, 1998, and 2000. Every single year, each guy had changed. HHH went from Blueblood to DX to The Game, and Rock went from Rocky Maivia to Nation Rock to megastar babyface Rock. That was in a span of a couple of years. Since 2004, only Orton's character changed (Legend Killer to Viper) but the feuds between the two of them have seen very little character progression from either character (none in Cena's case) making the match-up look even more stale than it already is. It can't be that hard to freshen characters up.
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Post by Lazy peon on Oct 14, 2014 10:54:24 GMT -5
What's hilarious is that for this one there's literally no stakes. Why are they having a match? Eh, cuz they're there. They're not even feuding, yet they're getting a HELL IN A CELL match.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 14, 2014 11:18:28 GMT -5
The one positive is that if Cena is feuding with Orton, he can't damage anyone else's push.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Oct 14, 2014 11:49:06 GMT -5
As a fan watching from Britian I'm going to be selfish and say I hope the pair main event against each other for the next few months on PPV for the simple reason is PPV begins at 1 in the morning over here and it's means I can switch the event off a bit early and get off to bed.
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Post by sportatorium on Oct 14, 2014 12:45:10 GMT -5
The old WCW used to use Flair/Sting as a fulcrum to launch bigger storylines. As mentioned before HHH/Rock was also used this way. I don't think we're getting a big feud between the two, just a filler match on PPV. Using HIAC as a stip for this is exceedingly stupid, but they stopped respecting things like cage matches long ago. If they aren't using Randy to put Dean over & Cena to put Seth over, I don't think it is the worst thing they could do to the card.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 14, 2014 13:00:21 GMT -5
The old WCW used to use Flair/Sting as a fulcrum to launch bigger storylines. As mentioned before HHH/Rock was also used this way. I don't think we're getting a big feud between the two, just a filler match on PPV. Using HIAC as a stip for this is exceedingly stupid, but they stopped respecting things like cage matches long ago. If they aren't using Randy to put Dean over & Cena to put Seth over, I don't think it is the worst thing they could do to the card. Personally I think if they aren't using Cena and Orton to put Rollins and Ambrose over, they should be putting two other wrestlers over.
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Oct 14, 2014 13:15:54 GMT -5
I still find it hilarious that Cena and Orton have what, 28 world title reigns between them in 10 years? Says all you need to know about modern WWE, pathetic.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Oct 14, 2014 13:19:18 GMT -5
The match has been done so many times within the last year or so. They've also already had a Hell in a Cell. I believe this is the first Hell in a Cell rematch. There hasn't really been a feud leading into this match either.
I think having this match be in the Hell in a Cell further waters down the Hell in a Cell match, though it's been watered down long before now.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Oct 14, 2014 13:36:44 GMT -5
I care a bit. I don't enjoy their feud as some generation-defining rivalry for the ages between two unstoppable icons or anything else WWE hypes it up to be but I usually enjoy their matches. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Oct 14, 2014 13:57:28 GMT -5
I think it's crap they decided to not have Cena vs Ambrose and the Rollins match in the same night. It would have pushed Ambrose over the top if he won both matches back to back.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 13:59:18 GMT -5
Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose are in the main event of a PPV.
Cena and Orton are in an afterthought match.
think about that for a second
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 14, 2014 14:05:40 GMT -5
I think it's crap they decided to not have Cena vs Ambrose and the Rollins match in the same night. It would have pushed Ambrose over the top if he won both matches back to back. I think (or at least hope) they learned from Bryan's injury that making someone do double duty just to kill time is a bad idea.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Oct 14, 2014 14:17:18 GMT -5
I think it's crap they decided to not have Cena vs Ambrose and the Rollins match in the same night. It would have pushed Ambrose over the top if he won both matches back to back. I think (or at least hope) they learned from Bryan's injury that making someone do double duty just to kill time is a bad idea. How dare you insinuate that WWE learns anything good sir! If they did they'd never let Daniel Bryan use the Chris Benoit move set to begin with.
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Post by schma on Oct 15, 2014 1:11:41 GMT -5
I figure the problem is no one else who's healthy is built up enough to pose a kayfabe threat for Cena or Orton except maybe Rusev who's busy with Big Show. Sheamus is busy with Miz and basically anyone not in the authority storyline has been second banana. So we get Orton/Cena because who else are they going to face? I guess the logic is that Cena still gets to take on an authority member since he has a beef with them ever since last month. I'd rather see a midcard face step up to Orton and see Cena wrestle a midcard heel since "Cena wins" anyway. I actually totally agree with you. It'd be great if they mixed Orton and Cena up with some of the other guys. Maybe give them a bit of a rub. My last post was just putting out what I figure their mentality was in pairing Orton and Cena yet again. Hell Kofi beat Orton when he was champ. They could easily turn that into a short feud.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 15, 2014 2:33:46 GMT -5
I'd rather see a midcard face step up to Orton and see Cena wrestle a midcard heel since "Cena wins" anyway. I actually totally agree with you. It'd be great if they mixed Orton and Cena up with some of the other guys. Maybe give them a bit of a rub. My last post was just putting out what I figure their mentality was in pairing Orton and Cena yet again. Hell Kofi beat Orton when he was champ. They could easily turn that into a short feud. Orton would be more inclined to give a guy a rub.
Cena? No, no he doesn't lose to Midcarders, in fact I can't remember the last time he lost a match clean to one. Cena barely gives rubs to a Main Eventer or clear up and coming Main Eventer. In the end the guy has a good match but Cena Wins, and then the guy just sort of fizzles out... He barely loses to guys due to INTERFERENCE let alone actually giving talent a rub. And yeah some people can say "You're just hating on Cena, that's not true". No, it is. This is not hate it is straight fact. Look at his damn record, especially in his latest couple of feuds.
It's why so many people were excited to see something like that Lesnar match, we thought a door had been opened, but Cena was quick to shut it at NOC, booking gods above forbid he ever look weak to anyone ever. His whole shtick is "You wanna get to the top you gotta go through me!". Brock did, and then NOC was basically trying to cover up that ever happening. Cena is just downright hard to watch any more from a wrestling fan perspective. His booking is the dirt worst, his character is an awful role model, and he dick rides ANYTHING that's popular. Zack Ryder was ridden into the ground, now Dean and Seth's feud, and no, I will not factor in Injuries to his insertion in that feud. He does not fit, he never fit, and he was shoehorned into something he never should have been apart of, because in the end, who did it help? Not Dean, Dean didn't pin him, he beat him in an effing Pole Match on RAW with tons of interference. What the hell did that prove or gain for him?? Nothing, like always with Cena. You lose more than you gain And it showed with how the Orton vs Cena match was just crammed in there how negative of a feedback this was getting, yet they are STILL apparently putting them together for RAW, again... damn... /rant
At least Orton put Cesaro over until WWE completely tanked him. Cena has great matches with Cesaro, but heaven forbid he lose! But as for Kofi, no, Kofi blew his main event chance vs Orton and seemingly never will recover.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 15, 2014 2:43:51 GMT -5
I actually totally agree with you. It'd be great if they mixed Orton and Cena up with some of the other guys. Maybe give them a bit of a rub. My last post was just putting out what I figure their mentality was in pairing Orton and Cena yet again. Hell Kofi beat Orton when he was champ. They could easily turn that into a short feud. Orton would be more inclined to give a guy a rub.
Cena? No, no he doesn't lose to Midcarders, in fact I can't remember the last time he lost a match clean to one. Cena barely gives rubs to a Main Eventer or clear up and coming Main Eventer. He barely loses to guys due to INTERFERENCE let alone actually giving talent a rub. And yeah some people can say "You're just hating on Cena, that's not true". No, it is. This is not hate it is straight fact. Look at his damn record, especially in his latest couple of feuds.
At least Orton put Cesaro over until WWE completely tanked him. But as for Kofi, no, Kofi blew his main event chance vs Orton and seemingly never will recover.
Cena doesn't have to lose to anyone. And I'd give Cena the edge over Orton in terms of putting guys over, as Cena will bump and sell and let himself get slapped around by even a local indy jobber if he had to. Because WWE is so intent on forcing Cena on us, they're more inclined to let people get one over on Him temporarily even if he does win in the end because "we're pushing him hard anyway". Orton will just RKOOUTTANOWHERE Just to make sure we know that he's "supposed" to be a top guy; Cena's not the guy beating IC/US champs in non title matches for the past two years just to make sure we don't forget that he's above lowly midcarders. We know Cena's a big dog, we have to be "reminded" that Orton is a big dog.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 15, 2014 2:48:33 GMT -5
Orton would be more inclined to give a guy a rub.
Cena? No, no he doesn't lose to Midcarders, in fact I can't remember the last time he lost a match clean to one. Cena barely gives rubs to a Main Eventer or clear up and coming Main Eventer. He barely loses to guys due to INTERFERENCE let alone actually giving talent a rub. And yeah some people can say "You're just hating on Cena, that's not true". No, it is. This is not hate it is straight fact. Look at his damn record, especially in his latest couple of feuds.
At least Orton put Cesaro over until WWE completely tanked him. But as for Kofi, no, Kofi blew his main event chance vs Orton and seemingly never will recover.
Cena doesn't have to lose to anyone. And I'd give Cena the edge over Orton in terms of putting guys over, as Cena will bump and sell and let himself get slapped around by even a local indy jobber if he had to. Because WWE is so intent on forcing Cena on us, they're more inclined to let people get one over on Him temporarily even if he does win in the end because "we're pushing him hard anyway". Orton will just RKOOUTTANOWHERE Just to make sure we know that he's "supposed" to be a top guy. We know Cena's a big dog, we have to be "reminded" that Orton is a big dog. You're serious?
Because Cena doesn't take much offense anymore, especially lately
He completely FLATTENED the Wyatts, so as for that whole spiel about him taking offense from a local Indy Jobber? I don't know what you're smoking but Cena would never do that. He barely takes offense from established guys.
His last few matches with Cesaro are the only times I can remember him allowing a guy to just look completely on his level, and Cesaro still lost.
Cena doesn't have to lose to anyone? Wrong. Cena needs to START losing to people. It's getting downrlght ridiculous how much this asshole doesn't lose clean. He lost clean to Brock, not an up and comer, and then NOC basically reversed that. The Rock, he beat him later, and the Rock isn't an up and comer. Bryan is the only true one and he had the arm injury so it could be argued. Punk had interference from Vince and Johnny Ace. Wyatt won a cage match thanks to a demented Choir Boy and never pinned Cena in the feud. So seriously... that's bad. I wont even mention what he did to Sandow
Talent needs to start beating this guy, because no one ever does, there is no conceivable threat to him because Booking wont allow it. Every time he faces someone, we know he is either gonna win, or he will lose by some other circumstance that doesn't involve the guy beating him with pure talent. So F*** him. I hate him. And he doesn't help more than he hurts.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Oct 15, 2014 3:10:37 GMT -5
What's hilarious is that for this one there's literally no stakes. Why are they having a match? Eh, cuz they're there. They're not even feuding, yet they're getting a HELL IN A CELL match. Yeah. That does seem a bit overkill. Just cover one of them in bees and have done with it.
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