|
Post by Session Moth is over on Oct 21, 2014 11:00:08 GMT -5
I'm not American and this stuff is crap. This storyline is terribly booked and old fashioned all in one go.
Though I have got to like Rusev more. Just let him be Bulgarian and stop pretending the U.S.S.R still exists.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 11:06:19 GMT -5
Hard to believe with kayfabe dead the company can still put out angles straight out of the 80's like this.
They should just go full on Slaugter 1991 mode at this point. Have Rusev burn one of Cena's shirts on fire. Have Cena forget Putin's name in a promo while in a fit of rage. Move WM to a 20,000 seat arena due to a bomb scare. Go all the way with this.
|
|
PKO
King Koopa
Posts: 12,602
Member is Online
|
Post by PKO on Oct 21, 2014 11:13:45 GMT -5
I find the flag stuff hilarious. JBL going batshit crazy weeks ago because someone dropped the US flag on the ground, and Cole's "NO NO NO!!!" as Rusev threatened to pull the flag down last night. It's like a comedy.
|
|
FAR5222
El Dandy
Counted 237 Bros. SWERVE Got no cookie for it.
Posts: 7,889
|
Post by FAR5222 on Oct 21, 2014 11:35:47 GMT -5
The other funny part was when the bald security guy said "this is fake" really loud to the plant.
This whole angle has painted Rusev as a good guy the last 4 months. He's doing nothing wrong in the eyes of other countries including Americans that can think critically and see the piss poor writing. Jack Swagger was being a sore loser in some of their encounters and he even attacked Rusev before the bell rang for their match. Mark Henry was also a sore loser even though Rusev defeated him like 3 times.
As Rusev celebrated after his victory, Big Show took it upon himself to try and attack him for no real reason. And as Rusev and Lana looked on in horror they see their flag disrespected as it was pulled from the rafters and thrown to the ground all while the fans disgustingly cheer on.
Two weeks later he had Big Show defeated in a great back and forth contest that saw Mark Henry get involved and he got what he deserved, a foot in his face. Then after he pretty much won all on his own CLEANLY (besides Henry causing the DQ) he was then cornered by the two huge bafoons while his woman looked on in horror as he handed her the flag and valiantly tried to fight them off only to be taken out.
As for last night there was nothing done wrong. As Rusev celebrated his win Big Show thought it would be funny to replace the Russian flag with the American one while not thinking of the consequences that could happen for it. Rusev saw an opening to avenge his countries flag when a moronic fan who happened to be a "solider" for the good old USA tried to attack Rusev and was kicked in the face for it. Big Show then cuts promo on how distraught he is about the situation and didn't take the blame for it at all. If this angle is to make patriotic Americans look like despicable people then WWE have done a superb job.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 11:37:06 GMT -5
I thought it was hilarious. Maybe for the wrong reasons, but still, I was entertained.
I'm American and I feel very fortunate to be here a lot of the time, but that's about the extent of my "patriotism." The flag stuff and what happened last night didn't bother me in the slightest.
|
|
|
Post by Prince Petty on Oct 21, 2014 11:44:08 GMT -5
The other funny part was when the bald security guy said "this is fake" really loud to the plant. This whole angle has painted Rusev as a good guy the last 4 months. He's doing nothing wrong in the eyes of other countries including Americans that can think critically and see the piss poor writing. Jack Swagger was being a sore loser in some of their encounters and he even attacked Rusev before the bell rang for their match. Mark Henry was also a sore loser even though Rusev defeated him like 3 times. As Rusev celebrated after his victory, Big Show took it upon himself to try and attack him for no real reason. And as Rusev and Lana looked on in horror they see their flag disrespected as it was pulled from the rafters and thrown to the ground all while the fans disgustingly cheer on. Two weeks later he had Big Show defeated in a great back and forth contest that saw Mark Henry get involved and he got what he deserved, a foot in his face. Then after he pretty much won all on his own CLEANLY (besides Henry causing the DQ) he was then cornered by the two huge bafoons while his woman looked on in horror as he handed her the flag and valiantly tried to fight them off only to be taken out. As for last night there was nothing done wrong. He was about to avenge his countries flag when a moronic fan who happened to be a "solider" for the good old USA tried to attack Rusev and was kicked in the face for it. If this angle is to make patriotic Americans look like despicable people then WWE have done a superb job. How great would it be if this actually was the goal of the angle? For Rusev and Lana to end up looking sympathetic as a whole load of ignorant Americans attack them? Not that it is the goal, because the WWE just isn't that smart. This is all 'Ew. He's foreign. Hate him!' But honestly, I think they're going to start getting face pops before much longer, because they're entertaining and Rusev himself comes across as sympathetic when he's getting beaten up. That's even without the dumb attempts to get him heat by having him do such heinous things as defend himself. But Big Show in earnest, angry mode is just the worst. He really is. It's like Cena, but with less charm and more bad acting.
|
|
|
Post by JTG Fan on Oct 21, 2014 11:49:01 GMT -5
This whole angle has painted Rusev as a good guy the last 4 months. Yea, how can you not like Rusev? He beats everybody fair and square and makes them tap out.
|
|
FAR5222
El Dandy
Counted 237 Bros. SWERVE Got no cookie for it.
Posts: 7,889
|
Post by FAR5222 on Oct 21, 2014 11:51:00 GMT -5
The other funny part was when the bald security guy said "this is fake" really loud to the plant. This whole angle has painted Rusev as a good guy the last 4 months. He's doing nothing wrong in the eyes of other countries including Americans that can think critically and see the piss poor writing. Jack Swagger was being a sore loser in some of their encounters and he even attacked Rusev before the bell rang for their match. Mark Henry was also a sore loser even though Rusev defeated him like 3 times. As Rusev celebrated after his victory, Big Show took it upon himself to try and attack him for no real reason. And as Rusev and Lana looked on in horror they see their flag disrespected as it was pulled from the rafters and thrown to the ground all while the fans disgustingly cheer on. Two weeks later he had Big Show defeated in a great back and forth contest that saw Mark Henry get involved and he got what he deserved, a foot in his face. Then after he pretty much won all on his own CLEANLY (besides Henry causing the DQ) he was then cornered by the two huge bafoons while his woman looked on in horror as he handed her the flag and valiantly tried to fight them off only to be taken out. As for last night there was nothing done wrong. He was about to avenge his countries flag when a moronic fan who happened to be a "solider" for the good old USA tried to attack Rusev and was kicked in the face for it. If this angle is to make patriotic Americans look like despicable people then WWE have done a superb job. How great would it be if this actually was the goal of the angle? For Rusev and Lana to end up looking sympathetic as a whole load of ignorant Americans attack them? Not that it is the goal, because the WWE just isn't that smart. This is all 'Ew. He's foreign. Hate him!' But honestly, I think they're going to start getting face pops before much longer, because they're entertaining and Rusev himself comes across as sympathetic when he's getting beaten up. That's even without the dumb attempts to get him heat by having him do such heinous things as defend himself. But Big Show in earnest, angry mode is just the worst. He really is. It's like Cena, but with less charm and more bad acting. I really enjoy Rusev in the ring. Someone his size is making me enjoy his matches more than say Cesaro and Ziggler because WWE have made it where I don't care at all about those two. So hopefully by early 2015 after he feuds with Cena they drop the whole Russian stuff and book him as a no shit taking dude with a smoking hot manager.
|
|
Hawk Hart
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Sold his organs.
The Best There Is, the Best There Was, and the Best That There Ever Will Be
Posts: 15,296
|
Post by Hawk Hart on Oct 21, 2014 12:24:44 GMT -5
I'm not American and this stuff is crap. This storyline is terribly booked and old fashioned all in one go. Though I have got to like Rusev more. Just let him be Bulgarian and stop pretending the U.S.S.R still exists. I'm American and this stuff is crap. You don't need to be foreign to see that.
|
|
|
Post by Bang Bang Bart on Oct 21, 2014 12:31:06 GMT -5
This is crap where the end goal is basically {Spoiler}Cena wins.
|
|
|
Post by Prince Petty on Oct 21, 2014 12:41:46 GMT -5
So surely, if John Cena is such a true red, white and blue hero, he should drop his petty feud with Orton and his obsession with Rollins (oh wait, he has dropped that now that someone dangled a greased up Randy in front of him), to go and punish the heinous foreigner who dared to strike a brave, American serviceman?
If he doesn't, then that means Cena cares about himself more than he cares about America. Who's the real villain here, I ask?
This crap with them trying to get cheap heat by having Rusev attack a fake army man? Surely the US Army would have something to say about its soldiers being depicted in such stupid ways. But embarrassingly for a lot of you, the crowd just ate it up like it was the excrement Big Show had been wallowing in. But I like to imagine that Big Show spent the rest of the night just standing in that room, backstage, glaring at the lack of Rusev in it. So dumb.
|
|
|
Post by sonofblaine on Oct 21, 2014 13:06:07 GMT -5
Big show loses at HIAC, the soldier challenges Rusev and beats him as his in-ring debut. 3 months later, at the peak of his popularity, Cena squashed him and he spends the remainder of his contract jobbing to.midcarders.
|
|
nisidhe
Hank Scorpio
O Superman....O judge....O Mom and Dad....
Posts: 5,719
|
Post by nisidhe on Oct 21, 2014 13:13:57 GMT -5
I'm starting think that, after last night, WWE's gone and rehired Vince Russo. This wasn't a development that needed to happen and, in the end, it made nobody in the angle look good.
As for bringing attention to the issue of barrier-jumpers, this won't be good for the company. WWE has a legal duty of care to its employees and talent against such incursions. By drawing attention to the jumper and then having Rusev give him the boot and cause an injury, WWE may have only encouraged jumping behaviour while calling out Rusev publicly for doing what wrestlers have traditionally done to protect themselves.
Regardless of what the fan did, WWE risks lawsuits out the wazoo if a talent causes lasting injury to that fan; to say nothing of what happens to a wrestler's reputation in the aftermath. Wrestlers are not (normally) trained in safely restraining intruders until security can take them into custody. Rusev was on the other side of the ring from that jumper; he should have stayed on the other side of that ring if they wanted to make it look real.
Here's where they've bungled it in my view: a jumper's motives these days are as much about garnering attention as about venting anger with a heel. What they did last night fed the fantasies of wrestling stalkers and trolls everywhere. The plant got in and was featured prominently in that incident. The message sent was: nothing inside that ring has real consequences; Rusev knew he had nothing to worry about; get yourself inside the ring and you, too, can be a WWE Superstar! 8{
It's a very dangerous message to send all around, and equally dangerous to ignore the risks or to minimize them. What if it wasn't a plant? What if the fan is armed and security's not there or unable to stop them? On the other hand, had the "plant" or a legit jumper got smashed by that foot and ended up disabled as a result, Rusev would have been seen as having gone too far and, being bigger and stronger, would have been called onto the carpet for not showing restraint. WWE would have been on the hook for not having trained him in safe restraint methods, and for provoking the audience to the extent that they should have reasonably expected the jumper's response and made preparations for such a contingency.
One could argue that the alternative, having Rusev actually pull down the flag, was far more dangerous because it might have incited an even worse reaction, but why even go that route at all if you're concerned about crowd reactions going over the top? Far more important things have fallen to the mat in Kansas City than a flag; there was little rage then. Why expect rage now? The flag falling would have been a safer decision long-term than letting a plant act as a jumper.
|
|
Reflecto
Hank Scorpio
The Sorceress' Knight
Posts: 6,847
|
Post by Reflecto on Oct 21, 2014 14:29:47 GMT -5
The other question:
It seems likely it's a plant by now- but on the other side, if the guy "wasn't" a plant, then WWE would have been in a no-win situation. We've seen how WWE has had to fire road agents/producers for angles where the military looked bad, so we know that they'd be in the same boat. If they drop character and say this guy's a jackass, then all of a sudden they've just said the military were in the wrong (and the National Guard kind of WOULD demand a head roll for that), but if they take the side of the soldier they've just legitimized people rushing the ring, and made it clear that if a soldier tried jumping the heels, they would let the guy kick the heel's ass.
|
|
|
Post by Hit Girl on Oct 21, 2014 14:32:05 GMT -5
This whole angle is strange, because I'm sympathising with Rusev.
Lana generally speaks some home truths, and Rusev usually wins clean with no heelish cheating.
Meanwhile the pro-USA guys look overbearing.
|
|
ededdneddy
Hank Scorpio
ededdandembed
Posts: 5,697
|
Post by ededdneddy on Oct 21, 2014 14:48:17 GMT -5
Seriously Rusev hasn't done anything wrong. He beats people clean, he protects his manager and the flag, he stands up for himself and by himself, Rusev is pure win. This whole Big Show/Henry feud with all of this stuff that they are doing to try and one up Rusev is making me really really dread what kind of bullshit we are going to have to endure when the inevitable Cena feud starts.
|
|
|
Post by Brother-RD on Oct 21, 2014 14:48:56 GMT -5
And yet Finlay gets fired for being the agent for a spot interrupting the national anthem.
|
|
|
Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 21, 2014 14:50:48 GMT -5
Seriously Rusev hasn't done anything wrong. He beats people clean, he protects his manager and the flag, he stands up for himself and by himself, Rusev is pure win. This whole Big Show/Henry feud with all of this stuff that they are doing to try and one up Rusev is making me really really dread what kind of bullshit we are going to have to endure when the inevitable Cena feud starts. The only thing making Rusev a heel is Lana. It's hard to buy the faces as defending America's honor when Rusev himself doesn't appear to give a f*** about America OR Russia.
|
|
|
Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 21, 2014 15:01:35 GMT -5
And yet Finlay gets fired for being the agent for a spot interrupting the national anthem. Well, he did planned out the Miz interupting for heel heat while knowing one of WWE's former big sponsors, the US National Guard, was in the house. But getting back to the Rusev vs the USA angle. This isn't played for international WWE fans. It's playing on American national pride and the people who want to trample on our traditions and way of life. It is a long running trope that been around since the Romans were portrayed by the Greeks as evil and hedonistic during ancient Greco-Roman matches. No different from Los Gringo Locos from the 90's and the Bullet Club of today. A bulk of folks are willing to overlook the logic gaps of this angle because the evil foreigner wants to ruin America. Sure he isn't breaking as much rules as he should nor looking like a tremendous or weak asshole. But he isn't as innocent and justified in his evil as some think he is.
|
|
|
Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 21, 2014 15:03:54 GMT -5
And yet Finlay gets fired for being the agent for a spot interrupting the national anthem. Well, he did planned out the Miz interupting for heel heat while knowing one of WWE's former big sponsors, the US National Guard, was in the house. But getting back to the Rusev vs the USA angle. This isn't played for international WWE fans. It's playing on American national pride and the people who want to trample on our traditions and way of life. It is a long running trope that been around since the Romans were portrayed by the Greeks as evil and hedonistic during ancient Greco-Roman matches. No different from Los Gringo Locos from the 90's and the Bullet Club of today. A bulk of folks are willing to overlook the logic gaps of this angle because the evil foreigner wants to ruin America. Sure he isn't breaking as much rules as he should nor looking like a tremendous or weak asshole. But he isn't as innocent and justified in his evil as some think he is. It would help if Rusev gave some type of hint at being anti-American. He goes out an wrecks shit in spectacular fashion but I never get the sense that he's anti-American or pro-Russia. He's only an "evil foreigner" because he's evil and happens to be foreign.
|
|