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Post by SUPES on Jun 25, 2015 23:50:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 0:33:36 GMT -5
There are far too many people in hollywood who just shouldn't be there.
Its a biased opinion of myne, but if you are not creative then you shouldnt be making movies, or tv shows or video games.
I might watch this movie, pirated online.
Might
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Jun 26, 2015 0:39:37 GMT -5
I have an idea, what if we just ignore any Terminator movies after Judgement Day?
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Post by SUPES on Jun 26, 2015 0:45:08 GMT -5
There are far too many people in hollywood who just shouldn't be there. Its a biased opinion of myne, but if you are not creative then you shouldnt be making movies, or tv shows or video games. I might watch this movie, pirated online. Might You can find better things to do with your time and computer.
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Post by Sin Cara Tres on Jun 26, 2015 5:21:51 GMT -5
I've heard from fans who have seen it. Say it's nowhere near the quality of T1/T2 but not bad overall.
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on Jun 26, 2015 7:29:45 GMT -5
I have an idea, what if we just ignore any Terminator movies after Judgement Day? That's pretty much what I do as well. For me, the story ended with T2. Anything that comes after that may as well be part of a Terminator EU as far as I'm concerned. Having said that, despite my criticism of the heavy spoiler in the last trailer I am intrigued by this movie so I'll probably end up seeing it. If it's alright or bad, then I still have the original two Terminator movies. If it turns out to be good, then that's just a bonus.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jun 26, 2015 17:08:18 GMT -5
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Post by G✇JI☈A on Jun 26, 2015 17:10:14 GMT -5
No matter what the consensus is .. I'll be regarding this film as nothing but fan-fiction and not canon with the first two Terminator movies.
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Post by Renslayer on Jun 26, 2015 20:01:58 GMT -5
I went to watch Terminator 4 this week. It's not a bad little movie
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Post by Sin Cara Tres on Jun 27, 2015 8:10:52 GMT -5
It's before the movie so what's the problem? My theater plays a trivia game anyway.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Jun 27, 2015 8:55:49 GMT -5
Saw it last night and while it wasn't exactly what I would call a good movie its still better than Salvation so mabye just wait until its on DVD.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 27, 2015 12:55:13 GMT -5
I saw a Review for this movie with the following headline...
Review: 'Terminator Genisys' Makes 'Terminator Salvation' Look Like 'Terminator 2: Judgment Day'
...ouch.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 27, 2015 13:00:17 GMT -5
T1 and T2 are enough. They form a single narrative with an optimistic end.
Anything more is unnecessary. The reason each successive movie following the original two get progressively worse is because they are trying to stretch a two-movie plotline into franchise and it just doesn't work. Some stories just need to run their course. Once they do, there's no point trying to milk anything else from them.
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Post by Fundertaker on Jun 27, 2015 13:38:05 GMT -5
I'm good with the first 3 Terminators (yeah, I'm one of the few people fighting the good fight and defending T3. Especially since I'm pretty sure multiverses are a thing in this franchise (if there's time-travelling involved, most likely there are multiple paralel universes to cover the creator's asses) thus I'm OK with T3 existing) but anything past that... yeah, either let it rest or do something really different with it.
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Post by Some Guy on Jun 27, 2015 13:41:25 GMT -5
I'm good with the first 3 Terminators (yeah, I'm one of the few people fighting the good fight and defending T3. Especially since I'm pretty sure multiverses are a thing in this franchise (if there's time-travelling involved, most likely there are multiple paralel universes to cover the creator's asses) thus I'm OK with T3 existing) but anything past that... yeah, either let it rest or do something really different with it. I liked T3 for the most part as well, and thought most people felt the same until a couple of years ago.
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Post by Jiren on Jun 27, 2015 14:35:43 GMT -5
I'll give Genisys a go but I'm not expecting anything good.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jun 28, 2015 0:27:20 GMT -5
Terminator 3 is one of those odd guilty pleasures. I think a lot of the backlash wouldn't be so outlandish if say Cameron returned, Linda Hamilton, and Edward Furlong came back without any issues either.
Truly I would've loved to have seen Cameron direct a future centric Terminator prequel that shows the relationship between Kyle and John, the early model Terminators, and eventually Kyle going back in time after receiving that picture of Sarah. That could've been the trilogy right there in my opinion.
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Post by SUPES on Jun 28, 2015 2:26:04 GMT -5
Terminator 3 is one of those odd guilty pleasures. I think a lot of the backlash wouldn't be so outlandish if say Cameron returned, Linda Hamilton, and Edward Furlong came back without any issues either. That is a surface-level statement on why the movie failed to deliver anything of substance outside of a fun chase scene, but even that was flawed for reasons that are about to be included in the breakdown below. It lacked any score and also a soundtrack. That shit is CRITICAL, as it is the equivalent of commentary during a live event. Try to imagine some of the best scenes without any music in the classic original films, such as Tech Noir, John Connor's creation, and the T-1000 simply walking around. The film itself opened as something that belonged more to Men in Black, completely losing the identity of the franchise right off the bat. Look, there's nothing wrong with pizza whatsoever, but it's not what I want or expect to be served when I go to the gourmet Chinese joint, so I better not smell that shit as soon as I walk in. This Terminator didn't give a single shit about the people it was saving. Kyle Reese gave a shit and developed a romance with Sarah. The second Terminator formed a father-son relationship with John and learned the value of human life. This heroic character had no emotional stake in his mission, so why would the audience be expected to develop one? The audience had more reasons not to emotionally lose itself in the characters. This version of John did nothing of substance to earn respect, and the lack of emotional attachment with the Terminator didn't help either. This version of John served no purpose at all. A new babyface character was brought into the fold that was highly grating and high-strung. Whereas Sarah was just naturally cautious and creeped out at first by Kyle, Katherine just treated John like total garbage throughout most of the film. We also were never given a reason to give a shit about the relationships with her father and fiance, so when adding on that we didn't care about her as a person, why would we care about her losses? Sure, we weren't torn up by the original Terminator murdering Matt and Ginger, but we briefly saw that they were close friends with Sarah, and because Sarah is a character that connected emotionally with the viewer, we felt true empathy and sympathy for her losses. The Terminator failing to be a character that would emotionally connect with the audience also made it difficult to root for him to achieve his mission against the TX. And thus, the TX was already handicapped as a heel, while also being saddled as just another generic evil monster. The lack of care given to Katherine's relationships also got us not to root against the TX. The less said about the humor attempts that got over like farts in church, the better. I firmly believe this franchise has some mileage in it. But someone with a clue actually has to take the reins. It is not that difficult to create characters and relationships that resonate with the audience. The first two films wouldn't have their substantial legacies without those key storytelling elements; without them, the original film would've been a critical and likely box-office flop, never bringing us the cream-of-the-crop CGI of the second film.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jun 28, 2015 13:29:07 GMT -5
Terminator 3 is one of those odd guilty pleasures. I think a lot of the backlash wouldn't be so outlandish if say Cameron returned, Linda Hamilton, and Edward Furlong came back without any issues either. That is a surface-level statement on why the movie failed to deliver anything of substance outside of a fun chase scene, but even that was flawed for reasons that are about to be included in the breakdown below. It lacked any score and also a soundtrack. That shit is CRITICAL, as it is the equivalent of commentary during a live event. Try to imagine some of the best scenes without any music in the classic original films, such as Tech Noir, John Connor's creation, and the T-1000 simply walking around. The film itself opened as something that belonged more to Men in Black, completely losing the identity of the franchise right off the bat. Look, there's nothing wrong with pizza whatsoever, but it's not what I want or expect to be served when I go to the gourmet Chinese joint, so I better not smell that shit as soon as I walk in. This Terminator didn't give a single shit about the people it was saving. Kyle Reese gave a shit and developed a romance with Sarah. The second Terminator formed a father-son relationship with John and learned the value of human life. This heroic character had no emotional stake in his mission, so why would the audience be expected to develop one? The audience had more reasons not to emotionally lose itself in the characters. This version of John did nothing of substance to earn respect, and the lack of emotional attachment with the Terminator didn't help either. This version of John served no purpose at all. A new babyface character was brought into the fold that was highly grating and high-strung. Whereas Sarah was just naturally cautious and creeped out at first by Kyle, Katherine just treated John like total garbage throughout most of the film. We also were never given a reason to give a shit about the relationships with her father and fiance, so when adding on that we didn't care about her as a person, why would we care about her losses? Sure, we weren't torn up by the original Terminator murdering Matt and Ginger, but we briefly saw that they were close friends with Sarah, and because Sarah is a character that connected emotionally with the viewer, we felt true empathy and sympathy for her losses. The Terminator failing to be a character that would emotionally connect with the audience also made it difficult to root for him to achieve his mission against the TX. And thus, the TX was already handicapped as a heel, while also being saddled as just another generic evil monster. The lack of care given to Katherine's relationships also got us not to root against the TX. The less said about the humor attempts that got over like farts in church, the better. I firmly believe this franchise has some mileage in it. But someone with a clue actually has to take the reins. It is not that difficult to create characters and relationships that resonate with the audience. The first two films wouldn't have their substantial legacies without those key storytelling elements; without them, the original film would've been a critical and likely box-office flop, never bringing us the cream-of-the-crop CGI of the second film. While you bring up excellent points in your argument. I stand by my perspective that not having James Cameron return as a director, no Linda Hamilton, and no Edward Furlong made sure that the emotion and connection you're talking about wouldn't have existed with Nick Stahl, Claire Danes, etc. James Cameron's careful attention to detail and the fact that he made sure his writers created characters that the audience could connect with is key obviously. Watching the making of Terminator 2 you could see how much Cameron, Arnold, Linda, Edward, and Robert fed off each other and their ideas. Everything from the director, writers, actors, make-up artists, and set designers you could see how much they enjoyed working with one another, which in turn, created an excellent story and film that captured the imaginations and emotions of the audience. You didn't have that with Terminator 3 and obviously salvation. Hence why that emotion and development you are talking about didn't exist with those films.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jun 28, 2015 14:11:13 GMT -5
Now I just imagine it's all twists and twists on top of twists. John Conner is the villain, but it's not John Carter, it's a John Carter look-a-like Terminator that took on his memories and then fell into a vat of radioactive nanobots and ended up being able to swap around from flesh to metal to latex. However, things up the ante more when a sentient version of the actual Skynet arrives in the form of a bulking human with lighting hands because SCREW YOU THEY'RE SKYNET! The humans constantly discover that allies are sleeper agents of Skynet sent back years upon years ago, eventually having to turn to Bill Murray for help, but he is unavailable because he's filming Ghostbusters 3 (Because this is science FICTION). Sarah Connor reveals that she used her prep time to make an acid gun and accidentally burns District Attorney Harvey Dent. Oh, and the original John Carter appears but is killed by Skynet who impersonates Madonna, his favorite musician. BUT! The original Terminator John Connor IS THE REAL JOHN CONNOR IN ROBOT FORM! The only reason he was attempting to kill his mother and assumed father is because he knows that Skynet is constantly monitoring and updating the history of existence on its super hard drive and the only way for it to trust him would be for him to be a super murderer. So, ROBOT JOHN CONNOR and LITERAL FORM SKYNET battle WITH LIGHTING FORCE AND GLOWING SWORDS! SCREW YOU STAR WARS! SCREW Y...um...er...AND THEN KYLE REESE HITS THE RESET BUTTON ON SKYNET'S NECK TURNING IT INTO AN APPLE 2. They all laugh and then Shao Khan invades, having won Mortal Kombat. The end. Ok, if Bill Murray is involved, even for a few seconds, I may watch it.
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