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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 31, 2014 5:17:39 GMT -5
Zach Ryder. You can argue that WWE wasted him, and you'd have a good point. But at the same time he seemed to become complacent and didn't do a whole lot to really justify any long term push. They didn't exactly give him a great deal of help and encouragement to stay motivated, more working to expose exactly what he can't do and knock him down without any intention of covering his weaknesses or working to build him back up. He worked so hard to get over without creative and saw little support, there's only so long you can go on until you lose hope and just do what the company says, even if they tell you to do nothing.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Oct 31, 2014 5:18:32 GMT -5
Zack Ryder
As much as people will complain about WWE in this case, the fact of the matter is that Zack Ryder was given a big shot and was horrible. He showed he couldn't speak on a live mic, his humor really only worked on YouTube, and that a significant portion of the audience just didn't get him.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Oct 31, 2014 8:15:22 GMT -5
Kassius Ohno/Chris Hero is a wonderful example of this. Struggled in the indies to make it to WWE, wouldn't f***ing do what they asked so he could stick around. Such a waste of an excellent taletalent and I say this as a man who still occasionally busts out his black CH shield shirt.
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Post by efarns on Oct 31, 2014 8:32:00 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan - won two big matches at Wrestlemania and 2 months later he couldn't work a match What a stupid thing to say. That's like saying Magnum TA dropped the ball... Oh, Magnum TA is a good call. On the one hand, he's a sympathetic figure because the car accident really ruined his career. He was driving fast, but I'm sure a lot of people drive fast and don't crash. Anyway, he had benefited from a long program at the top and then suddenly he wasn't there anymore.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Oct 31, 2014 8:32:39 GMT -5
People are missing the question I think because injuries shouldn't count as dropping the ball but the answer I will add is RVD to a degree. Yes the guy had held several WWE titles and over all had a great run. But when he was given the chance as being the champion he dropped the ball in the worst way. RVD was a guy for years fans wanted him as a World champion. Blame the WWE for not doing it sooner if you want but the fact is once he got it he dropped the ball.
RVD getting caught with weed and pulled over for speeding as WWE and ECW Champion is his failure. That situation makes me see why he was held off by the WWE.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 31, 2014 8:37:19 GMT -5
An almost contender, considering he never really had a top-flight run, more flirtation, but Shelton Benjamin went through that odd phase where his ringstyle got uber-clumsy the more IWC goodwill was directed toward him. I recall they even incorporated a botch into a minor-storyline at one stage. Yeah, he did. If I remember right the worked his botches into why his Momma showed up.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 31, 2014 8:39:22 GMT -5
Zack Ryder As much as people will complain about WWE in this case, the fact of the matter is that Zack Ryder was given a big shot and was horrible. He showed he couldn't speak on a live mic, his humor really only worked on YouTube, and that a significant portion of the audience just didn't get him. WWE didn't do anything to protect him the way they would have if he were one of their "chosen ones". Ryder was never going to be main event material, but there was no reason why he couldn't be a featured lower mid card act. They could've given him pre-taped segments and built up other mid card stars to be his on-screen friends.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Oct 31, 2014 9:14:15 GMT -5
Zack Ryder As much as people will complain about WWE in this case, the fact of the matter is that Zack Ryder was given a big shot and was horrible. He showed he couldn't speak on a live mic, his humor really only worked on YouTube, and that a significant portion of the audience just didn't get him. WWE didn't do anything to protect him the way they would have if he were one of their "chosen ones". Ryder was never going to be main event material, but there was no reason why he couldn't be a featured lower mid card act. They could've given him pre-taped segments and built up other mid card stars to be his on-screen friends. If WWE kept him as a lower card act, people still would have chanted "We Want Ryder" and all that until he got a bigger push. But as we can see when he finally got that push, he just wasn't that good
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 31, 2014 9:56:45 GMT -5
WWE didn't do anything to protect him the way they would have if he were one of their "chosen ones". Ryder was never going to be main event material, but there was no reason why he couldn't be a featured lower mid card act. They could've given him pre-taped segments and built up other mid card stars to be his on-screen friends. If WWE kept him as a lower card act, people still would have chanted "We Want Ryder" and all that until he got a bigger push. But as we can see when he finally got that push, he just wasn't that good Not being that good has never stopped the WWE pushing anyone ever. When they're behind a guy, they get put with managers, established talent, get pre-taped segments to mask their weaknesses and all the time in the world to grow, Ryder wasn't given anything like that. He wasn't a new call up from FCW, they knew what he couldn't do that well and threw him out on Raw to do it anyway. There was money to be made from Ryder, but they chose not to protect him or try to help coach him to improve, they chose to expose him out of spite. If the crowd chant 'We want <lower midcarder>' through dull segments and matches, maybe they could use said lower midcarder in a way that would cover their weaknesses and make money while the crowd are behind them, or better yet, work to produce a better product so the live audience don't have to make their own fun.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Oct 31, 2014 10:05:37 GMT -5
If WWE kept him as a lower card act, people still would have chanted "We Want Ryder" and all that until he got a bigger push. But as we can see when he finally got that push, he just wasn't that good Not being that good has never stopped the WWE pushing anyone ever. When they're behind a guy, they get put with managers, established talent, get pre-taped segments to mask their weaknesses and all the time in the world to grow, Ryder wasn't given anything like that. He wasn't a new call up from FCW, they knew what he couldn't do that well and threw him out on Raw to do it anyway. There was money to be made from Ryder, but they chose not to protect him or try to help coach him to improve, they chose to expose him out of spite. If the crowd chant 'We want <lower midcarder>' through dull segments and matches, maybe they could use said lower midcarder in a way that would cover their weaknesses and make money while the crowd are behind them, or better yet, work to produce a better product so the live audience don't have to make their own fun. If Zack Ryder wasn't ratings poison then maybe they would have stuck with him. But he was doing a bad job and driving away viewers, so what other choice did they have?
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Post by Bo Rida on Oct 31, 2014 10:14:21 GMT -5
A slightly different one is Ted Jr. He may not as been what is traditionally seen as internet favourite but mass insanity seemed to break out over him as he was talked about as a future world champion and many even said that he should break the streak.
However despite many high profile matches, angles and even a movie his run never really went anywhere and he left the business.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Oct 31, 2014 10:22:51 GMT -5
RVD and it isn't even close. He had a very large segment of fans who thought he was held down. He finally got his chance and promptly dropped the ball, kicked it, kicked it again and then watched it roll off a cliff.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 31, 2014 10:43:32 GMT -5
Not being that good has never stopped the WWE pushing anyone ever. When they're behind a guy, they get put with managers, established talent, get pre-taped segments to mask their weaknesses and all the time in the world to grow, Ryder wasn't given anything like that. He wasn't a new call up from FCW, they knew what he couldn't do that well and threw him out on Raw to do it anyway. There was money to be made from Ryder, but they chose not to protect him or try to help coach him to improve, they chose to expose him out of spite. If the crowd chant 'We want <lower midcarder>' through dull segments and matches, maybe they could use said lower midcarder in a way that would cover their weaknesses and make money while the crowd are behind them, or better yet, work to produce a better product so the live audience don't have to make their own fun. If Zack Ryder wasn't ratings poison then maybe they would have stuck with him. But he was doing a bad job and driving away viewers, so what other choice did they have? They could have taken a long look at what Ryder could and couldn't do and put him out there in a role that makes the best use of what he can do rather than putting him out there trying to do things he's very good at to simply to watch him fail? People don't like watching guys flounder so no wonder he ended up in poorly rated segments. Nobody genuinely wanted Ryder to main event or even be featured in an important role in the main storyline, but there's always a role for over face/heel jobbers, guys like Santino, Stevie Richards, Disco Inferno, Funaki and so on, there was no reason they couldn't have given him a small midcard push before settling him into that role, instead they set him up to fail, which he did.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Oct 31, 2014 10:55:28 GMT -5
I wouldn't say anyone "dropped the ball" in this case , but because of "reasons" which we all pretty much know Kharma never really got to make the impact that her promo vids where telling us , hell when was the last time before that that any female wrestler got a per-debut video promo video. Gail Kim. Another one who dropped the ball
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Oct 31, 2014 10:58:32 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan - won two big matches at Wrestlemania and 2 months later he couldn't work a match Seriously? Wow.
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Post by chazraps on Oct 31, 2014 11:52:45 GMT -5
What a stupid thing to say. That's like saying Magnum TA dropped the ball... Oh, Magnum TA is a good call. On the one hand, he's a sympathetic figure because the car accident really ruined his career. He was driving fast, but I'm sure a lot of people drive fast and don't crash. Anyway, he had benefited from a long program at the top and then suddenly he wasn't there anymore. Daniel Bryan and Magnum TA didn't drop any sort of ball whatsoever. To suggest otherwise is super wrong and there's no defense for it. I think you really need to reexamine what the term "dropping the ball" means.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 12:06:07 GMT -5
A slightly different one is Ted Jr. He may not as been what is traditionally seen as internet favourite but mass insanity seemed to break out over him as he was talked about as a future world champion and many even said that he should break the streak. However despite many high profile matches, angles and even a movie his run never really went anywhere and he left the business. Yeah, Ted Jr. What a mess. I enjoyed his work in the ring, but he seemed to have the charisma of a stump. When he was teaming with Cody, it was easy to see which one of them was going to be the star. Although, I think part of the blame for a lot of guys like Ted Jr. has to do with creative burdening them with scripts and trying to get them over as something that doesn't really play to their strengths as a performer. Guys just don't have as much freedom to discover themselves now due to the lack of seasoning and constrictiveness of creative.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Oct 31, 2014 12:26:00 GMT -5
An almost contender, considering he never really had a top-flight run, more flirtation, but Shelton Benjamin went through that odd phase where his ringstyle got uber-clumsy the more IWC goodwill was directed toward him. I recall they even incorporated a botch into a minor-storyline at one stage. Yeah, he did. If I remember right the worked his botches into why his Momma showed up. Unfortunately, Shelton had the case where he was more of an athlete than a pro wrestler. (aka black in WWE syndrome)
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Post by Mid-Carder on Oct 31, 2014 12:29:33 GMT -5
Yeah, he did. If I remember right the worked his botches into why his Momma showed up. Unfortunately, Shelton had the case where he was more of an athlete than a pro wrestler. (aka black in WWE syndrome) No, Billy Gunn got that treatment too. He was the first "pure athlete" I remember!
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Post by Reflecto on Oct 31, 2014 12:31:43 GMT -5
Oh, Magnum TA is a good call. On the one hand, he's a sympathetic figure because the car accident really ruined his career. He was driving fast, but I'm sure a lot of people drive fast and don't crash. Anyway, he had benefited from a long program at the top and then suddenly he wasn't there anymore. Daniel Bryan and Magnum TA didn't drop any sort of ball whatsoever. To suggest otherwise is super wrong and there's no defense for it. I think you really need to reexamine what the term "dropping the ball" means. To add to this: Would you say Roman Reigns (same story as Bryan: WWE put a lot of work into him, but he suddenly got a freak injury just as it was coming to pass) "dropped the ball" too, or is it only people those IWC geeks in their parent's basement like who can drop the ball, and not people the WWE offices decide to make the next guy?
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