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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 5, 2014 13:53:46 GMT -5
I honestly don't think Rollins is all that great on a microphone. I keep reading people talk about his good mic work and...I just don't get it. Me neither. He has a whiny voice.
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Post by MGH on Nov 5, 2014 18:31:41 GMT -5
I honestly don't think Rollins is all that great on a microphone. I keep reading people talk about his good mic work and...I just don't get it. Check out his promo work in ROH and compare it to today. I don't think he's a great promo, but he has improved significantly since his indy days. Here is where I'm also having a disconnect with some because I see this comment a lot too, and I just don't think he has. I mean I'm sure you could take his worst ROH promo and his best WWE promo and I'd see it, but generally speaking I think he's the same really poor talker he ever was. He has his strengths, but that microphone just isn't one, to me.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 5, 2014 18:32:46 GMT -5
Rollins can actually cut a promo worth a shit, for starters.
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Post by MGH on Nov 5, 2014 18:35:13 GMT -5
I honestly don't think Rollins is all that great on a microphone. I keep reading people talk about his good mic work and...I just don't get it. and improvising isn't his strong point Oh my god he's the worst. I nearly DIED the night Roman attacked him and he kept screaming, "YOU STOP TOUCHING MY BODY. STOP TOUCHING MY BODY!!!". Dude. Wat.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Nov 5, 2014 18:37:41 GMT -5
He's better than Kingston and Shelton in pretty much all areas, except maybe certain athletic abilities. Seth has proven he can be an effective heel and that he can give promos. I'm not ready to say he is better than Ziggler, but he is more well-rounded than Kofi and Benjamin.
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Post by King Boo on Nov 5, 2014 18:49:43 GMT -5
Rollins can actually cut a promo worth a shit, for starters. Can he, though? Not once have his promos gotten me invested in his feuds. I enjoy watching him in matches and I become engaged then, but never from anything he's said leading up to that match. He sounds like he's reading off of a script. They don't sound like his words to me. One could criticize Ziggler's promo style, but at least his words feel like they're his own and not something someone else is telling him to say.
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Post by Woo on Nov 5, 2014 19:09:20 GMT -5
All four are outstanding.
Kofi Kingston was given just one big chance in the WWE and he knocked it out of the park. His promos were fantastic, his wrestling amazing and the crowd legit bought him as a big star. Then Orton completely screwed him over. Really how many chances has Kofi had to cut promos since? He hasn't even had a storyline since then other than that pdd Miz feud where neither man turned heel in the end.
Shelton was the best wrestler in the company for many years and had they given him a manager, say Paul Heyman, he could easily have gone higher. If he has improved in his mic skills since his time in ROH then he would really be the complete package.
Ziggler's mic skills seem really underated to me also. When he dumped Vickie Guerrero he came across like a star to me and semed poised for a massive face turn that never happened. In ring wise he's freaking awesome, with the only complaint that he sometimes just seems to be trying to fit all his moves into a match without thinking about the pacing.
All 4 are great, Rollins is the best I think, but he has been booked the best too. Overall I'd say it goes Rollins, Ziggler, Benjamin, Kingston, but all 4 are very good.
They are similar to AJ Styles, superb in the ring (though Styles is on another level imo) but not so good on the mic, though not horrid either.
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Post by Digital Witness on Nov 5, 2014 19:13:29 GMT -5
I guess it really is up to the audience. From the looks of things the brass think he cuts a decent promo or he wouldn't get to talk as much as he does.
I think what it comes down to is simply different strokes for different folks. You don't like the promo style of Rollins and don't get why a bunch of people do. It happens.
Rollins deserves the opportunity as he's worked his ass off to get where he is, and its paying off for him.
One thing I have to say though cause its came up a little bit in this thread, and has came up a lot in other threads is this: The big disconnect in why some people don't "get" why some of us push for some wrestlers to become successful is simply in the fact that whether it be a Daniel Bryan or a Seth Rollins or a Dean Ambrose or a Sami Zayn; those guys have not just put in the work. We've seen them put in that hard work with our own eyes before they got to the point where they are now. Its not just a "oh, they're the indie flavor of the year, they worked for ROH, therefore I like them and not The Miz" thing. I feel like some people think that just cause Rollins has an association with the big independent promotions that he's automatically to be preferred over someone "homegrown" in developmental." It goes beyond that. Rollins is an athletic beast that did a lot of really good work (early mic work aside) and put on a lot of fantastic matches. I'm sorry that you (in the general sense, not a specific you) may not have gone out of your way to see some of those matches, or feel like you shouldn't have to in order to appreciate the talent of a Seth Rollins. But some of us have, and have seen some spectacular work from these guys. Its not really that hard in an age where we have youtube, dailymotion, etc...or if you're so inclined; iPPV and DVDs direct from specific companies to see at least a glimpse of what some of us have seen.
But if you don't take those few minutes to check out some earlier work, and are confused as to why some people here like some of the wrestlers debuting on the main shows or NXT; then it really shouldn't be up to anybody else to tell you why you should like so and so. Go forth and see for yourself, or don't bother bringing it up.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 5, 2014 19:23:56 GMT -5
Rollins can actually cut a promo worth a shit, for starters. Can he, though? Not once have his promos gotten me invested in his feuds. I enjoy watching him in matches and I become engaged then, but never from anything he's said leading up to that match. He sounds like he's reading off of a script. They don't sound like his words to me. One could criticize Ziggler's promo style, but at least his words feel like they're his own and not something someone else is telling him to say. I think Ziggler is alright when he's not trying his damnedest to let us know he has threesomes, ya'll, he's nuts! But I do think Seth does a significantly better job than Shelton's mush-mouth, and Kofi hasn't cut a promo in forever, so they can't have a ton of confidence in him. I just think he's justified in having the spot he does, even if I was being a little harsh to the others before.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Nov 5, 2014 19:49:26 GMT -5
Time and place. They didn't need to worry about the future, or at least they didn't think they did, when those guys were conning up so they didn't push them as much. Also I think Dolph's concussions pretty much killed any chance at a world heavyweight championship.
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Post by Starshine on Nov 5, 2014 19:50:00 GMT -5
The guy's a total package talent. He can talk, he can wrestle with the best of them, he's athletic as f***, and he has a strong presence. Where the other guys have some of these strengths, he also doesn't have their weaknesses.
Also he's managed to come off relatively well despite the crappy last stretch of his feud with Ambrose who'd suddenly became a prankster for some reason. So there's that too.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 5, 2014 19:53:02 GMT -5
Time and place. They didn't need to worry about the future, or at least they didn't think they did, when those guys were conning up so they didn't push them as much. Also I think Dolph's concussions pretty much killed any chance at a world heavyweight championship. I don't think Dolph should be punished for his concussions. If he got concussed on a basic move like a hip toss, sure. But when one concussion was due to a botch and the other due to CARELESSNESS, he shouldn't be written off.
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Post by FAR5222 on Nov 5, 2014 20:11:13 GMT -5
It really doesn't matter if you're really good or athletic (Punk is far from athletic and he was number 2) Rollins has something the other three don't. The little things that make you a Main Event superstar. Benjamin had no character when he was face and he didn't have a presence. Ziggler is his own demise. Kofi was on point in 2009 but Orton stopped that. Even if Kofi stayed on course of that push he would have been booed by 2011 if he stayed playing the same smiling happy Kofi that he is still doing in 2014. Also when you're favored by everyone in the back you get booked better and made to look better so I guess politics. By putting him over and treating him as a threat? So Kofi is only at fault for what happened?
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Nov 5, 2014 20:13:06 GMT -5
Time and place. They didn't need to worry about the future, or at least they didn't think they did, when those guys were conning up so they didn't push them as much. Also I think Dolph's concussions pretty much killed any chance at a world heavyweight championship. I don't think Dolph should be punished for his concussions. If he got concussed on a basic move like a hip toss, sure. But when one concussion was due to a botch and the other due to CARELESSNESS, he shouldn't be written off. It's just the fact that once you have one it's easier to get more... look at Christian for instance. Why put the title on somebody who runs the risk of getting injured and you'll just have to strip him anyway. It's a business decision, cause the WWE is a business.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Nov 5, 2014 20:43:57 GMT -5
He's better then Kingston, Ziggler is debatable, and he's sure as hell not as good as Benjamin. Shelton should have had a world title run in his time in WWE. Very underrated superstar.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 21:01:25 GMT -5
I'd say Ziggler is better in the mic then Rollins but it took f***ing forever for Ziggler to become tolerable on the mic. Like years.
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Post by benstudd on Nov 6, 2014 0:45:40 GMT -5
He is superior in every ways.
Another thing you failed to mention is something that is important in pro wrestling in that Rollins just look and act more badass than all these guys. He always had that vicious streak and that is gold in pro wrestling. Just compare Goldberg to other "big guys" that we've seen in wrestling, what made it a success was his intensity.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Nov 6, 2014 1:02:29 GMT -5
Seth to Ziggler: Though Seth is shaky on the mic at best, he still seems more natural than Ziggler. Seth seems like a guy talking with a bit of fear of the crowd while Ziggler just tends to yell since yelling means better or something like that. In the ring, I think Seth has a better flow, seems more natural but it is close.
Seth to Kofi: Kofi flat sucks. His in ring looks like a gymnast going for height or spin over a wrestler trying to hurt someone. When it comes to promos, I cannot say since Kofi doesn't get much. I remember when did get time that it was solid, probably better than Seth, but that was years ago and wouldn't be fair to use as comparison to now.
Seth to Benjamin: This is a tough one. In the ring I think they are about equal. Seth is flashier but Sheldon is more sound. On the mic, comparison to now or on the indies I cannot make but from Shelton's WWE time Seth blows him away which is sad really.
So basically, I see Seth as more of a complete package compared to those guys. Plus I am not even taking years of booking incompetence into account.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Nov 6, 2014 1:02:58 GMT -5
By putting him over and treating him as a threat? So Kofi is only at fault for what happened? No, Jericho says in his podcast that Vince out of the blue got bored with Kofi's push. Vince and booking are to blame (as usual!)
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Nov 6, 2014 2:23:55 GMT -5
I honestly don't think Rollins is all that great on a microphone. I keep reading people talk about his good mic work and...I just don't get it. Me neither. He has a whiny voice. Though, I suppose that likely works out in his current gimmick as "opportunistic d-bag who takes every advantage he can get".
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