The curious case of CM Punk's medical condition

[Lancers]

Nov 27, 2014 20:27:08 GMT -5 Speedy Cerviche said:

That's some armchair Agatha Christie right there.

With a theory this specific, I fear that he wasted his entire Thanksgiving piecing together the timeline of events on a chalkboard in the basement of his house. Wouldn't even say hello to his Aunt Agnes. Just went upstairs for a piece of graham cracker pie and ran back down to attempt deconstructing why Punk went to Tampa to see a doctor instead of one nearby in Chicago.

[Heartbreaker]

Man, I bet if CM Punk never ended up quitting and he literally died inside of the ring, there still would be people blaming it all on Punk.

[Magic knows Black Lives Matter]

Nov 27, 2014 20:36:38 GMT -5 Heartbreaker said:

Man, I bet if CM Punk never ended up quitting and he literally died inside of the ring, there still would be people blaming it all on Punk.

"Pussy. I knew he couldn't be a main eventer!"

[Mayonnaise]

1. Doctors cannot make you do anything, they'd need a court order to do that. If Punk goes to this Dr. in Florida and tells him he cannot go to the hospital, the Dr. can easily do something there but still recommend that Punk go to the hospital.

2. WWE's doctor can set up CATs and MRIs and unless they are on an international tour, they can easily be done in Pitt., where WWE has the Wellness stuff based, Punk's homebase of Chicago or at any where else. Not that hard to set those up. He's is not likely to see a doctor outside of WWE's guy at anytime during all this, that is where trusting that they don't want you dead comes in. All the results would again go to WWE's Dr. since he was calling for them.

[Kevin Hamilton]

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Nov 27, 2014 20:34:20 GMT -5 Lancers said:

Wouldn't even say hello to his Aunt Agnes.

[saintpat]

Nov 27, 2014 20:34:20 GMT -5 Lancers said:

Nov 27, 2014 20:27:08 GMT -5 Speedy Cerviche said:

That's some armchair Agatha Christie right there.

With a theory this specific, I fear that he wasted his entire Thanksgiving piecing together the timeline of events on a chalkboard in the basement of his house. Wouldn't even say hello to his Aunt Agnes. Just went upstairs for a piece of graham cracker pie and ran back down to attempt deconstructing why Punk went to Tampa to see a doctor instead of one nearby in Chicago.

Nah, didn't take that long. Had a great holiday, but thanks for your concern.

I understand we dare not question Punk, but, well, he's the one who in the same breath basically said WWE's doctor left him on death's door and at the same time he is told he's got a possibly fatal condition says he told the doctor that he didn't have time to go to the hospital.

I find that quite curious.

[carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army)]

Nov 27, 2014 21:16:50 GMT -5 saintpat said:

Nov 27, 2014 20:34:20 GMT -5 Lancers said:

With a theory this specific, I fear that he wasted his entire Thanksgiving piecing together the timeline of events on a chalkboard in the basement of his house. Wouldn't even say hello to his Aunt Agnes. Just went upstairs for a piece of graham cracker pie and ran back down to attempt deconstructing why Punk went to Tampa to see a doctor instead of one nearby in Chicago.

Nah, didn't take that long. Had a great holiday, but thanks for your concern.

I understand we dare not question Punk, but, well, he's the one who in the same breath basically said WWE's doctor left him on death's door and at the same time he is told he's got a possibly fatal condition says he told the doctor that he didn't have time to go to the hospital.

I find that quite curious.

Jesus Christ, because a condition can be very potentially dangerous while at the same time not taking a lot of time and effort and medical equipment to treat.

Also, "dare not question Punk," dude, do you seriously see yourself as some kind of lone voice of reason against an illogical, adoring mob intolerant to all voices of dissent? Because you have got us pegged BURN HIM

[thelonewolf527]

Nov 27, 2014 21:54:46 GMT -5 carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) said:

Nov 27, 2014 21:16:50 GMT -5 saintpat said:

Nah, didn't take that long. Had a great holiday, but thanks for your concern.

I understand we dare not question Punk, but, well, he's the one who in the same breath basically said WWE's doctor left him on death's door and at the same time he is told he's got a possibly fatal condition says he told the doctor that he didn't have time to go to the hospital.

I find that quite curious.

Jesus Christ, because a condition can be very potentially dangerous while at the same time not taking a lot of time and effort and medical equipment to treat.

Also, "dare not question Punk," dude, do you seriously see yourself as some kind of lone voice of reason against an illogical, adoring mob intolerant to all voices of dissent? Because you have got us pegged BURN HIM

In his defense, he posted a thread questioning some of Punk's comments and mostly got "RAH RAH TLDR YOU JUST HATE PUNK" comments to start. It's only fair to not just take everything he says as fact and question if he's exaggerating anything considering he still does come off as kind of a dick in this interview at times

[Hobby Drifter]

You see this kind of thing all the time. Some people just have an incredibly hard time coming to terms with something that they enjoy (in this case, WWE) is less than perfect. So they do some mental gymnastics to keep their hobby "pure" in their minds.

It's not WWE's fault that Punk left. He was just being a diva.

WWE's doctors didn't ignore a serious infection and try to convince him to continue putting his health at risk for the sake of a bit more profit. Punk's just a liar. Anybody with any REAL medical issues would act in a very specific way. That he *didn't* shows that he's not being completely honest.

The impressive bit, though, is where the person performing these mental gymnastics, without even knowing it, projects the same onto people who disagree. That's where you get the "I know we're not ALLOWED to criticize CM Punk, but..." snark comes in.

Jack Sparrow says it best in the first Pirates movie. You can accept that your father was a pirate...AND a good man. Same with WWE. They've provided me without countless hours of entertainment, most of it for free...but they can, will, do, have, and will again do things that are *shady as hell*.

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What a thread lol.

[Gummydavidson]

Bob Holly said that the WWE made him work a UK tour with a staph infection before so Punks story could totally be true.

[berlynwright]

i think there's elements of truth here. Punk is a straight forward guy.

although considering how helpful WWE have been with rehabilitation program for ex employees, i cannot understand how can they be careless with one of their biggest stars

[xCompackx]

Nov 27, 2014 22:28:03 GMT -5 berlynwright said:

i think there's elements of truth here. Punk is a straight forward guy.

although considering how helpful WWE have been with rehabilitation program for ex employees, i cannot understand how can they be careless with one of their biggest stars

I don't know, it's fairly easy for me to imagine that they'd at least encourage Punk to keep going while injured until it got bad, but I'm not sure about blatantly forcing the guy to work if he was that sick. By the time this was happening, there's no way that taking time off would've hurt Punk in any way.

[Mayonnaise]

Nov 27, 2014 22:28:03 GMT -5 berlynwright said:

i think there's elements of truth here. Punk is a straight forward guy.

although considering how helpful WWE have been with rehabilitation program for ex employees, i cannot understand how can they be careless with one of their biggest stars

It's been lost to the behemoth that thread has become but that is two different parts of the company. Punk would be dealing what is basically a team doctor, a guy there to patch these guys up and make sure they can still wrestle the next show. People dealing with rehab, pre contract tests and other Wellness issues would be seeing a set of doctors that is there to make sure the people they are dealing with are at peak health so WWE can use them and get their moneys worth or are getting much needed treatment to prevent them from dropping dead and bringing shame to WWE.

[revolver86]

It's funny if you read between the lines with that interview. Punk's a smart guy, and there were many parts between the post walkout, getting fired on his wedding day, part of the story, where you could tell he still loved the business. Hell, he says he's done but you hear the hurt in his voice when he says he failed as a wrestler, he still loves wrestling, but is so bitter about what happened. I took "Well, let's say we didn't have time for that." as the part of him that is still a pro wrestler, at heart, and maybe hoping they would convince him to come back.

Basically, his walkout was "I'm done with WWE." and getting fired on his wedding day was "I'm done with wrestling."

[JCBaggee]

Nov 27, 2014 22:28:03 GMT -5 berlynwright said:

i think there's elements of truth here. Punk is a straight forward guy.

although considering how helpful WWE have been with rehabilitation program for ex employees, i cannot understand how can they be careless with one of their biggest stars

Looks good to media to help your former employees recover from addiction.

Looks bad to media if your roster is all out with injuries, plus a lot of the workers have the "you just keep going no matter what" mentality hammered into them.

[Hobby Drifter]

WWE's not *losing* anything by sending former talent to rehab, and it *gains* them a lot of good PR. But WWE *is* losing quite a bit if all their guys need time off to heal. Can't use a guy who's under doctor's orders to stay in bed to sell tickets or PPVs.

[Sicho100]

A few things:

1) We don't know that Punk's weekly MRIs/CAT Scans continued after he first noticed the cyst. The way he told the story, they were definitely close in time, but doesn't give a timetable for either. He went on how much he was hurt, and getting the MRIs/CAT scans, then, when he goes into the cyst, he just says "somewhere along the way" it developed. So, for all we know, the "he was seeing other doctors all the time and he never mentioned it?" can very well be starting with a false premise (say, for example, the MRIs being only in August-October and the cyst coming in November). Even if they were at the same time, he says the MRIs were for his head, neck, and once his chest. It's not unreasonable to suggest that he wouldn't be thinking about, and so not bring up, something at the bottom of his back, especially since he was led to believe that it was basically just a nuisance rather than a significant health issue.

2) When the doctor in Tampa immediately diagnoses it as MRSA, according to Punk, the doctor does not say he needed to go to the hospital to be on an antibiotic IV before getting it removed. Punk said that the doctor said that he would remove the cyst, and then Punk would need to go to the hospital to get the antibiotics. It was having the antibiotics at the hospital that Punk shot down, not whether the doctor he was seeing would remove the cyst or if it would need to be done at the hospital.

[Dr. T is an alien]

Nov 27, 2014 18:42:46 GMT -5 golding said:

There's no way of knowing for sure without seeing and feeling the lump. But what he described sounded to me like a sebaceous cyst that probably ruptured and became infected. It's hard to say whether he was treated right. Again, not knowing the diagnosis for sure and not knowing the treatment given. Sometimes antibiotics will be given for an infected sebaceous cyst, so the cyst can electively be removed after the fact. Otherwise, if you just lance it, it will often return. It also seemed strange that the doctor, as he seemed to described, closed the wound. If infected, the wound is usually left open.

He described getting diarrhea from all the antibiotics. That made me wonder if he got a clostridium diifficile infection. We can only speculate, I guess.

I'd say the possibility of him getting a C dif infection are pretty high, especially if the doctor forgot to tell him to eat yogurt while on broad-spectrum antibiotics for a spell. I would also say that once the lump started turning colors I would have expected any doctor to think "Staph infection".

Additionally, when Punk said that AJ's doctor said that the infection could have killed him, that was no exaggeration. the majority of soldiers who died in battle prior to the US Civil War did so because they received a wound that wound up getting a Staph infection. I am sure that if you looked hard enough you could find stories written by soldiers after being wounded about the experiences they went though as they died from their infections. Scary stuff, especially when they start talking about watching the colors working their way up their bodies. Those deaths normally took less than a week. Punk alleges he went months with an infection. That is not unheard of, but had it gone untreated even longer it could have killed him.