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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 28, 2014 0:58:50 GMT -5
From personal experience I've had a staph infection and let me tell you it's nothing to play with. At the time I still had my military identification card and was able to go to the base hospital. The doctor looked at my chest and said it was fatty tissue(very similar to what was said to Punk), over the course of a few weeks and months, the spreading got so bad on my chest that it eventually created a huge lump/cyst on my scalp.
Went to another doctor who did some tests and diagnosed it as a hair follice disorder and prescribed anti-biotics. The infection got worse and he wrote a referral for a dermatologist.
Much like Punk I couldn't sleep and anytime I tried to sleep/lay down it literally felt like the infection was going to explode in my chest. It was painful, uncomfortable, and from time to time the boils on my chest would pop and leave puss/blood on my t-shirts and bed sheets. I went to my dermatologist who looked at my chest and scalp. He said "This is a staph infection."
It took him two to three years of treating my chest with injections, anti-biotics, and three procedures on my scalp to get rid of the lump.
I can relate to Punk's story and it's very scary how he possibly could've/would've died if he kept going.
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Post by saintpat on Nov 28, 2014 1:21:52 GMT -5
A few things: 1) We don't know that Punk's weekly MRIs/CAT Scans continued after he first noticed the cyst. The way he told the story, they were definitely close in time, but doesn't give a timetable for either. He went on how much he was hurt, and getting the MRIs/CAT scans, then, when he goes into the cyst, he just says "somewhere along the way" it developed. So, for all we know, the "he was seeing other doctors all the time and he never mentioned it?" can very well be starting with a false premise (say, for example, the MRIs being only in August-October and the cyst coming in November). Even if they were at the same time, he says the MRIs were for his head, neck, and once his chest. It's not unreasonable to suggest that he wouldn't be thinking about, and so not bring up, something at the bottom of his back, especially since he was led to believe that it was basically just a nuisance rather than a significant health issue. 2) When the doctor in Tampa immediately diagnoses it as MRSA, according to Punk, the doctor does not say he needed to go to the hospital to be on an antibiotic IV before getting it removed. Punk said that the doctor said that he would remove the cyst, and then Punk would need to go to the hospital to get the antibiotics. It was having the antibiotics at the hospital that Punk shot down, not whether the doctor he was seeing would remove the cyst or if it would need to be done at the hospital. Well, the timeline on your first point seems pretty well established to me: the MRI/Cat scans were leading up to a mid-November tour of Europe where he and Bryan taggeda against the Wyatts, and he says he wrestled with the cyst/lump/staph for three months. His last match was at the RR on Jan. 26, so backdating from there he had it when he was having the MRIs. If he didn't notice it at that time, he wouldn't say he wrestled with it for 3 months -- and he says when he noticed it that it was there one week and not the week before. He obviously didn't know it was staph then, nor did the WWE doctor. We're not clear when he brought it up again except that he specifies before the RR. But he says he wanted it cut out as soon as he opened it and he was having multiple MRI/Cat tests every week for some period that overlaps ... so he could have raised the point and said "let's get that tested" or "if I'm going to a medical facility for an MRI anyway how about we get that check out. As to the second point, I haven't gone back and listened again but I thought the doctor was saying he would cut it off at the hospital. The doctor definitely said he needed to be in a hospital and have an IV drip and Punk definitely said his response was that he didn't have time for that ... which again seems really casual for someone who has been told by a doctor that he has a condition that could be fatal. Why would anyone take a shortcut if they actually believed their life was at stake? If the doctor did say he could cut it out in his office and then check Punk into the hospital for the IV, either way he went against what the doctor said he needed to do.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 28, 2014 1:39:56 GMT -5
Jim Garrison would be proud.
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Post by Speedy Cerviche on Nov 28, 2014 1:45:18 GMT -5
A few things: 1) We don't know that Punk's weekly MRIs/CAT Scans continued after he first noticed the cyst. The way he told the story, they were definitely close in time, but doesn't give a timetable for either. He went on how much he was hurt, and getting the MRIs/CAT scans, then, when he goes into the cyst, he just says "somewhere along the way" it developed. So, for all we know, the "he was seeing other doctors all the time and he never mentioned it?" can very well be starting with a false premise (say, for example, the MRIs being only in August-October and the cyst coming in November). Even if they were at the same time, he says the MRIs were for his head, neck, and once his chest. It's not unreasonable to suggest that he wouldn't be thinking about, and so not bring up, something at the bottom of his back, especially since he was led to believe that it was basically just a nuisance rather than a significant health issue. 2) When the doctor in Tampa immediately diagnoses it as MRSA, according to Punk, the doctor does not say he needed to go to the hospital to be on an antibiotic IV before getting it removed. Punk said that the doctor said that he would remove the cyst, and then Punk would need to go to the hospital to get the antibiotics. It was having the antibiotics at the hospital that Punk shot down, not whether the doctor he was seeing would remove the cyst or if it would need to be done at the hospital. Well, the timeline on your first point seems pretty well established to me: the MRI/Cat scans were leading up to a mid-November tour of Europe where he and Bryan taggeda against the Wyatts, and he says he wrestled with the cyst/lump/staph for three months. His last match was at the RR on Jan. 26, so backdating from there he had it when he was having the MRIs. If he didn't notice it at that time, he wouldn't say he wrestled with it for 3 months -- and he says when he noticed it that it was there one week and not the week before. He obviously didn't know it was staph then, nor did the WWE doctor. We're not clear when he brought it up again except that he specifies before the RR. But he says he wanted it cut out as soon as he opened it and he was having multiple MRI/Cat tests every week for some period that overlaps ... so he could have raised the point and said "let's get that tested" or "if I'm going to a medical facility for an MRI anyway how about we get that check out. As to the second point, I haven't gone back and listened again but I thought the doctor was saying he would cut it off at the hospital. The doctor definitely said he needed to be in a hospital and have an IV drip and Punk definitely said his response was that he didn't have time for that ... which again seems really casual for someone who has been told by a doctor that he has a condition that could be fatal. Why would anyone take a shortcut if they actually believed their life was at stake? If the doctor did say he could cut it out in his office and then check Punk into the hospital for the IV, either way he went against what the doctor said he needed to do. I'm sure CM Punk's discussion with the doctor and his subsequent decision was more involved than the doctor saying, "That's a staph infection, you gotta go to hospital!" and Punk replying, "f*** that, I got stuff to do."
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Post by Mid-Carder on Nov 28, 2014 3:01:46 GMT -5
To be fair to WWE, if they're hiring a qualified doctor, isn't it the doctor who's at fault here? What more can they do beyond hiring a doctor? He sounds like a lazy f***er who couldn't be bothered investigating what was wrong with Punk.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Nov 28, 2014 3:31:32 GMT -5
A few things: 1) We don't know that Punk's weekly MRIs/CAT Scans continued after he first noticed the cyst. The way he told the story, they were definitely close in time, but doesn't give a timetable for either. He went on how much he was hurt, and getting the MRIs/CAT scans, then, when he goes into the cyst, he just says "somewhere along the way" it developed. So, for all we know, the "he was seeing other doctors all the time and he never mentioned it?" can very well be starting with a false premise (say, for example, the MRIs being only in August-October and the cyst coming in November). Even if they were at the same time, he says the MRIs were for his head, neck, and once his chest. It's not unreasonable to suggest that he wouldn't be thinking about, and so not bring up, something at the bottom of his back, especially since he was led to believe that it was basically just a nuisance rather than a significant health issue. 2) When the doctor in Tampa immediately diagnoses it as MRSA, according to Punk, the doctor does not say he needed to go to the hospital to be on an antibiotic IV before getting it removed. Punk said that the doctor said that he would remove the cyst, and then Punk would need to go to the hospital to get the antibiotics. It was having the antibiotics at the hospital that Punk shot down, not whether the doctor he was seeing would remove the cyst or if it would need to be done at the hospital. Well, the timeline on your first point seems pretty well established to me: the MRI/Cat scans were leading up to a mid-November tour of Europe where he and Bryan taggeda against the Wyatts, and he says he wrestled with the cyst/lump/staph for three months. His last match was at the RR on Jan. 26, so backdating from there he had it when he was having the MRIs. If he didn't notice it at that time, he wouldn't say he wrestled with it for 3 months -- and he says when he noticed it that it was there one week and not the week before. He obviously didn't know it was staph then, nor did the WWE doctor. We're not clear when he brought it up again except that he specifies before the RR. But he says he wanted it cut out as soon as he opened it and he was having multiple MRI/Cat tests every week for some period that overlaps ... so he could have raised the point and said "let's get that tested" or "if I'm going to a medical facility for an MRI anyway how about we get that check out. As to the second point, I haven't gone back and listened again but I thought the doctor was saying he would cut it off at the hospital. The doctor definitely said he needed to be in a hospital and have an IV drip and Punk definitely said his response was that he didn't have time for that ... which again seems really casual for someone who has been told by a doctor that he has a condition that could be fatal. Why would anyone take a shortcut if they actually believed their life was at stake? If the doctor did say he could cut it out in his office and then check Punk into the hospital for the IV, either way he went against what the doctor said he needed to do. When you listen to people speak, it's very important to also be listening to tone of voice. I know a ton of information is being missed by not being able to actually see Punk, but his tone of voice is a giveaway "Let's say we didn't have time for that" he wasn't being literal. The rest of the sentence wasn't "Pawn Stars is on tonight, gotta help Colt move a couch..." He, if he even literally said that to the doctor because sometimes you spice up a story with a little piece of wit, was clearly asking for another option.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 3:33:04 GMT -5
I HATE CM PUNK AND WILL INTERPRET EVERYTHING TO DO WITH HIM NEGATIVELY. LOUD NOISES. LOUD NOISES. Fixed that for you man. I fully agree that Punk can be a total dick, but I'll be damned if you aren't nitpicking like crazy due to personal hatred.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Nov 28, 2014 3:43:09 GMT -5
First of all, and I'm listening to the interview as I type this because some things you mentioned seemed REALLLLLLLLLY off ... as soon as Punk gets to the back after he's eliminated from the Rumble, he's concussed at this point, the doctor asks if he's okay, and he says, "Cut this f***ing thing out of me right now!" Punk says the doc won't do it because now the doc says its the concussion that's making him feel bad. So the statement you make of:
"Punk asks the doctor to remove it before the RR and he says no, you have to wrestle tonight. Punk then gets in the ring and gets a concussion and after the match that is the concern, not the lump.
The next day, Punk quits/leaves -- whatever you want to call it.
My point? The doctor may have acted diferently now that the lump is painful -- it's a change in his symptoms. We'll never know, because he never sees him about that again as Punk is concussed after the match and leaves before TV starts the next night."
Yeah, not at all what happened. Punk got concussed, went to see the doc after the the rumble, demanded that he cut whatever it was out of him, doc still refuses, despite change in his symptoms.
The doctor says, "I can cut it out and you need to go to the hospital and get an antibiotic IV drip." Punk replies, "Well, let's say we didn't have time for that." I take that as, "Are there any other options than going to the hospital for an IV drip? The doctor at the hospital never says that he needs to go directly to the hospital to get it drained or cut, he clearly says he could do it right then and there. Clearly this doctor knows more that he's talking about than the WWE doctor, as he was able to diagnose a staph infection just by looking at it, and the WWE doc just shrugged him off, so maybe the WWE doc is the one that should have his license suspended to investigate him.
Also, just because Punk is going to get an MRI or a CAT scan doesn't mean he's CONSTANTLY seeing other doctors. I'm fairly certain, maybe I'm wrong, but the people working those machines probably aren't doctors and aren't there to cut off random cysts on the backs of patients. Also, why he probably didn't say anything to other doctors, and I'm just guessing here, is that I would assume if the WWE doc cut the cyst off, Punk wouldn't be charged, but if he goes into a hospital on his own to get it cut out he'll get slapped with thousands of dollars worth of bills. Maybe dude was just trying to take advantage of what the WWE has set up, which is supposed to be one of the most well-respected doctors in the country, rather than spending a ton of money out of pocket.
Most of all, though, I really don't see why you're making this such a big deal. The WWE doctor shrugged off a cyst/staph infection, even though it progressively got worse, and as soon as Punk went to a different doctor, that doctor diagnosed it on the spot. That shows a glaring problem with the WWE doctor.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Nov 28, 2014 3:57:19 GMT -5
To be fair to WWE, if they're hiring a qualified doctor, isn't it the doctor who's at fault here? What more can they do beyond hiring a doctor? He sounds like a lazy f***er who couldn't be bothered investigating what was wrong with Punk. Oh, I'd say there's a bit of influence they could have. Paying him a lot with the unspoken agreement of "just get these guys to the next show no matter what", rather than giving everyone full examinations and adequate time off for all injuries. After all, the steroid scandal came from a qualified doctor they hired distributing them. Doctors are humans, qualified or not, there will be some shadier ones who'll chase the money.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Nov 28, 2014 3:59:23 GMT -5
To be fair to WWE, if they're hiring a qualified doctor, isn't it the doctor who's at fault here? What more can they do beyond hiring a doctor? He sounds like a lazy f***er who couldn't be bothered investigating what was wrong with Punk. Oh, I'd say there's a bit of influence they could have. Paying him a lot with the unspoken agreement of "just get these guys to the next show no matter what", rather than giving everyone full examinations and adequate time off for all injuries. After all, the steroid scandal came from a qualified doctor they hired distributing them. Doctors are humans, qualified or not, there will be some shadier ones who'll chase the money. You could be right, I just like to give people the benefit of the doubt. I wonder how much Vince knew about the doctor ignoring Punk. He could have hired the doctor, trusted him and just left him to it. I'd be interested to know if that doctor still works for them, or if he will after this has come out
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Nov 28, 2014 7:33:45 GMT -5
Oh, I'd say there's a bit of influence they could have. Paying him a lot with the unspoken agreement of "just get these guys to the next show no matter what", rather than giving everyone full examinations and adequate time off for all injuries. After all, the steroid scandal came from a qualified doctor they hired distributing them. Doctors are humans, qualified or not, there will be some shadier ones who'll chase the money. You could be right, I just like to give people the benefit of the doubt. I wonder how much Vince knew about the doctor ignoring Punk. He could have hired the doctor, trusted him and just left him to it. I'd be interested to know if that doctor still works for them, or if he will after this has come out Well they have sent out a press release: “WWE takes the health and wellness of its talent very seriously and has a comprehensive Talent Wellness Program that is led by one of the most well-respected physicians in the country, Dr. Joseph Maroon.” Odd they wouldn't defend the doctor mentioned but bring up an entirely different one.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Nov 28, 2014 7:34:57 GMT -5
You could be right, I just like to give people the benefit of the doubt. I wonder how much Vince knew about the doctor ignoring Punk. He could have hired the doctor, trusted him and just left him to it. I'd be interested to know if that doctor still works for them, or if he will after this has come out Well they have sent out a press release: “WWE takes the health and wellness of its talent very seriously and has a comprehensive Talent Wellness Program that is led by one of the most well-respected physicians in the country, Dr. Joseph Maroon.” Odd they wouldn't defend the doctor mentioned but bring up an entirely different one. Yeah. I wonder if said doctor has been let go since the incident with Punk
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Post by DjZonk on Nov 28, 2014 7:36:36 GMT -5
People think all doctors are great guys: but when you mix them with large private contracts, they have been known to be utter shits. Just look at the doctor giving Michael Jackson all of those drugs which led to his death. If he refused, sure he probably would have got fired. But he could have tried to help MJ rather than just be a supplier. MJ's blood is on this guys hands.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 7:38:54 GMT -5
Well they have sent out a press release: “WWE takes the health and wellness of its talent very seriously and has a comprehensive Talent Wellness Program that is led by one of the most well-respected physicians in the country, Dr. Joseph Maroon.” Odd they wouldn't defend the doctor mentioned but bring up an entirely different one. Yeah. I wonder if said doctor has been let go since the incident with Punk twitter.com/wwedocamannNothing on Twitter yet...
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Nov 28, 2014 7:49:51 GMT -5
I've made no secret of the fact that I think CM Punk is a completely overrated performer in the ring and a total asshole outside of it and yet even I'm really stunned by how far some people are taking their irrational dislike of the guy after that podcast.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 28, 2014 7:50:51 GMT -5
I am just kind of stunned that staph infections, given how they can spread, wouldn't be high on any doctor's mind who treated wrestlers. Matt Hardy and Undertaker has particularly nasty run-ins with it, for instance, and given other athletes who share locker rooms tend to get it, they probably should always be on guard for that.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 28, 2014 7:57:37 GMT -5
To be fair to WWE, if they're hiring a qualified doctor, isn't it the doctor who's at fault here? What more can they do beyond hiring a doctor? He sounds like a lazy f***er who couldn't be bothered investigating what was wrong with Punk. I think Punk reaction when he head a concussion,saying to the doctor" HAha...you are a piece of shit you now that" is probably the deserved response that doctor almost killed Punk.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 28, 2014 8:01:53 GMT -5
I like that when Punk was suffering with the staph infection, AJ stepped in and sent him to her own doctor, who managed to treat his problem.
She's so adorable.
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Post by Abdullah on Nov 28, 2014 8:26:33 GMT -5
From my experience, if this exact story happened in TNA we would get about 77 pages of LOLTNA and nothing else.
But because it's WWE, people will almost reflexively take their side on any topic. It's a very odd, worrying kind of loyalty.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 11:04:37 GMT -5
I like that when Punk was suffering with the staph infection, AJ stepped in and sent him to her own doctor, who managed to treat his problem. She's so adorable. I'm pissed my coworker or nobody else called me adorable when I gave the number to my massage therapist to fix his back
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