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Post by agent817 on Dec 30, 2014 14:57:21 GMT -5
In your opinion, anyway. I have to say that the formation of the New World order was, without a doubt, one of the most historical moments in wrestling. You can't talk about the greatest heel turns in history without mentioning this moment. It was also one of the greatest heel factions in history. However, it started to play out after a while. It got old at some point. When did you think that it got played out?
In my opinion, I would say it's when the Wolfpac was formed, as well as when the NWO became one big unit with the Black and White being the lackeys (Although it's stupid how Curt Hennig was in the same category as Horace and Vincent, when he was 10 times the wrestler they were).
What do you think?
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Post by CeilingFan on Dec 30, 2014 15:02:21 GMT -5
Definitely with the formation of the Wolfpac.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2014 15:23:49 GMT -5
Sting should have soundly defeated Hogan at StarrCade '97 and from there the NWO should have crumbled. StarrCade '97 was the climax of Hogan's heel turn, the NWO angle, and unfortunately the whole company. The fact that they didn't capitalize on a year and a half of build-up and then evolve in '98 shows that they were out of ideas and just riding the old ones into the ground.
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Post by cabbageboy on Dec 30, 2014 15:35:04 GMT -5
I got weary of it way before any of that. I think I was bored with it by the time Piper was going to Alcatraz and all that. I realized that deep down they had no real idea what to do here and shortly after that the WWF started going 2 hours with Raw and got much, much better.
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Post by lws on Dec 30, 2014 15:43:22 GMT -5
its cliche to say it, but though there were a bunch of troughs in their reign, it all comes down to the fingerpoke. even if the wolfpac felt played out creatively, it was getting big crowd responses. the fingerpoke killed it all and no one cared anymore.
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Post by thegame415 on Dec 30, 2014 15:46:48 GMT -5
When they combined. As much crap as I see it get, the Wolfpac was insanely over.
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Post by auph10imitated on Dec 30, 2014 17:25:53 GMT -5
It played out pretty fast IMO. When so many people began joining and it's exclusivity was tainted and everything became confusing it was too much. But I think SC 97 should have been the end. Sting beating Hogan should have forced them to disband and then play out how all of the big players had to fit back into WCW, meanwhile all the minor players could just be repackaged. You could have began a big Bret-Hogan angle as your next mega program and give Sting a fresh bunch of challengers and just move away from the nWo.
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Post by auph10imitated on Dec 30, 2014 17:27:39 GMT -5
The Wolfpac could have just been an entirely new faction branching from the death of the nwo and kept it smaller aka DX and Horseman etc
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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 30, 2014 17:44:51 GMT -5
By the end of 97 was time for it to end
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Post by thegatewaydrug on Dec 30, 2014 17:48:34 GMT -5
What was the official joining order? 1. Hall 2. Nash 3. Hogan 4. Dibiase 5. Giant 6. Syxx 7. Fake Sting? 8. jumped the shark whoever it was
Once it became an open club where you could join by turning on your partner (Bagwell on Riggs, Norton on Ice Train), it was a wrap.
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Post by agent817 on Dec 30, 2014 18:37:36 GMT -5
What was the official joining order? 1. Hall 2. Nash 3. Hogan 4. Dibiase 5. Giant 6. Syxx 7. Fake Sting? 8. jumped the shark whoever it was Once it became an open club where you could join by turning on your partner (Bagwell on Riggs, Norton on Ice Train), it was a wrap. That was another thing, it would seem like if a wrestler turned heel in WCW, then he is an automatic NWO member.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2014 18:39:27 GMT -5
They just kept adding more people to the group and it was getting ridiculous.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 30, 2014 18:41:46 GMT -5
When Sting didn't beat Hogan at Starrcade
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Post by molson5 on Dec 30, 2014 20:00:41 GMT -5
I didn't mind the growing numbers, that was the point of the group at first, to literally take over WCW and bring everyone into the fold. Eric Bischoff made that speech at one point telling everyone in the locker room they had 30 days to choose - they were either with them, or against them. I remember being really intrigued by that - this was not your ordinary stable, this was a legit promotional takeover attempt. But that didn't lead anywhere and eventually it was just a heel stable. I couldn't pinpoint exactly when that happened though.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Dec 30, 2014 20:30:40 GMT -5
I never had a problem with Sting not beating Hogan at Starcade 97. I loved the NWO and it seemed too soon. They had only been together for a year. Plus Sting was already well established. With the NWO defeated, it would leave WCW too face heavy with Sting, DDP, Luger, Goldberg, Bret Hart, Flair, Benoit and anyone else I'm forgetting with no credible heels.
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Dec 30, 2014 20:52:20 GMT -5
I had no access to WCW at the time apart from their magazine and video games so I can't comment on the topic at hand but it's hilarious to me now thinking about how every ERW game I played in the early to mid 2000s as a young lad would start with me reviving the nWo as a sort of nWo/DX/Kliq hybrid and how I thought this would be so epic considering how unbelievably overplayed it was in real life, I suppose my lack of real exposure to the product at the time didn't let me see how bad it had gotten. Of course this basically happened in 2002 in real life but my ones always had Bischoff and a heel Hogan still. My lack of persistence with these games would of course render them as short lived as the real WWF/E nWo but for different reasons. In retrospect (and as someone who didn't have to sit through most of it) I find all the reincarnations of the nWo kind of charming in that sense of classic ridiculousness that is beautiful about wrestling. Yeah of course it was infuriating but you just have to look at it and say "well, that's Human Beings, ladies and gentlemen!"
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Post by Duke Delicious on Dec 30, 2014 21:00:35 GMT -5
I think it should have been limited to
Hogan Nash Hall Syxx Steiner The Giant
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Post by MichaelMartini on Dec 30, 2014 21:28:52 GMT -5
I think it should have been limited to Hogan Nash Hall Syxx Steiner The Giant Then it would've been just another stable. There wouldn't have been anything special about it. It was a gang mentality that operated by strength in numbers. Part of the fun of the nWo was watching Sting clear house with his bat and wondering who and when they would gain another member. It did get too big and they did run it into the ground but I liked it when it was about a dozen members.
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Post by Duke Delicious on Dec 30, 2014 21:30:42 GMT -5
I think it should have been limited to Hogan Nash Hall Syxx Steiner The Giant Then it would've been just another stable. There wouldn't have been anything special about it. It was a gang mentality that operated by strength in numbers. Part of the fun of the nWo was watching Sting clear house with his bat and wondering who and when they would gain another member. It did get too big and they did run it into the ground but I liked it when it was about a dozen members. I would consider 6 a gang. Seemed to work fine for The Warriors.
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Post by Hurbster on Dec 30, 2014 22:06:09 GMT -5
What was the official joining order? 1. Hall 2. Nash 3. Hogan 4. Dibiase 5. Giant 6. Syxx 7. Fake Sting? 8. jumped the shark whoever it was Once it became an open club where you could join by turning on your partner (Bagwell on Riggs, Norton on Ice Train), it was a wrap. That was another thing, it would seem like if a wrestler turned heel in WCW, then he is an automatic NWO member. According to his book, that's why Jericho turned it down when Bischoff pitched the idea that he would join to him.
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