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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 2, 2015 17:25:00 GMT -5
Was curious about this so I decided to look into what Meltzer's highest rated matches of 2014 were now that the year is over and figured I'd post what I found.
****3/4
- Sami Zayn vs. Adrian Neville (NXT TakeOver: R Evolution)
****1/2
- The Shield vs. The Wyatt Family (Raw March 3rd, 2014)
- Daniel Bryan vs. Batista vs. Randy Orton (WrestleMania XXX)
- The Shield vs. Evolution (Extreme Rules 2014)
- John Cena vs. Bray Wyatt (Payback 2014, Last Man Standing)
- Money In The Bank Contract Match (Money In The Bank 2014)
- Sami Zayn vs. Tyson Kidd vs. Tyler Breeze vs. Adrian Neville (NXT TakeOver: Fatal 4-Way)
- Team Cena vs. Team Authority (Survivor Series 2014)
****1/4
- John Cena vs. Cesaro (Raw February 17th, 2014)
- John Cena vs. Brock Lesnar (SummerSlam 2014)
- Dean Ambrose vs. Seth Rollins (Raw August 18th, 2014)
There are probably more ****1/4 matches, but these I assume were the most recent ones (outside of Cena vs. Cesaro which was from memory).
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Post by BigWill on Jan 2, 2015 17:29:06 GMT -5
I personally thought The Shield vs. The Wyatt Family at the Elimination Chamber was one of the best WWE matches of all time, let alone 2014.
I wonder what Meltzer rated that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2015 17:32:35 GMT -5
I personally thought The Shield vs. The Wyatt Family at the Elimination Chamber was one of the best WWE matches of all time, let alone 2014. I wonder what Meltzer rated that. If I remember, it got like 3.5 or something. No. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2015 17:37:19 GMT -5
No love for Zayn/Cesaro, Natty/Charlotte, or Sasha/Charlotte?
Actually, I liked Zayn/Breeze more than Zayn/Cesaro. And as mentioned, Wyatts/Shield was one of the best for sure.
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Post by xCompackx on Jan 2, 2015 17:40:16 GMT -5
I guess maybe it's nitpicky, but is there really that much of a difference between ****1/4, ****1/2, ****3/4? Just say it was **** and be done with it.
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Post by Giul T. on Jan 2, 2015 17:45:16 GMT -5
I guess maybe it's nitpicky, but is there really that much of a difference between ****1/4, ****1/2, ****3/4? Just say it was **** and be done with it. well I don't like 1/4* adjustments, would you really take a ****3/4 to ****, I would put it up with ***** |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 2, 2015 17:50:20 GMT -5
I guess maybe it's nitpicky, but is there really that much of a difference between ****1/4, ****1/2, ****3/4? Just say it was **** and be done with it. This is gonna seem super nitpicky but there is. Well, I'm not a fan of quarter stars but there is absolutely a difference between a **** match and **** 1/2 match. You can't really define what the difference is because it's so subjective and what makes one match g reat may not work for another match but it's not hard to spot once you've used the star system long enough. |
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Post by chazraps on Jan 2, 2015 17:54:23 GMT -5
I think it's such bullshit that Sami Zayn vs. Adrian Neville (NXT TakeOver: R Evolution) got ****3/4 when it deserved AT THE VERY LEAST ****7/8.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 2, 2015 17:56:12 GMT -5
I guess maybe it's nitpicky, but is there really that much of a difference between ****1/4, ****1/2, ****3/4? Just say it was **** and be done with it. I am not a fan of the quarter star stuff but I do think there is a difference between a full and a half. Something can be better than a 4 but not quite a 5 to me but the 1/4 stuff seems really nitpicky to me. |
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Post by chazraps on Jan 2, 2015 17:59:33 GMT -5
Seriously though, my issue with the stars rating system is that it's really just rating matches on a scale of 1-20, which is kind of silly. The whole reason "five stars" is such an accepted method of evaluation worldwide is because in any language you can understand the difference between flawless-very good-good-not so good-bad. For something as nuanced and prolific as the Observer, I can understand rating things on a scale of 1-10 (effectively stars and half-stars) as you're going to be able to make a clear cut universal argument for the difference between, say, a 4 and a 5 or a 7 and an 8.
But going 1-20 with quarter stars is just a baffling way to give false prestige to your highest rating and makes everything ****3/4 and below automatically less valuable because there's such an arbitrary difference that really can't be explained, removing the objectivity of the analysis for an overly subjective "it's just how I feel bro."
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 2, 2015 18:02:44 GMT -5
Seriously though, my issue with the stars rating system is that it's effective rating matches on a scale of 1-20, which is kind of silly. The whole really "five stars" is such an accepted method of evaluation worldwide is because in any language you can understand the difference between flawless-very good-good-not so good-bad. For something as nuanced and prolific as the observer, I can understand rating things on a scale of 1-10 (effectives stars and half-stars) as you're going to be able to make a clear cut universal argument for the difference between, say, a 4 and a 5 or a 7 and an 8. But going 1-20 with quarter stars is just a baffling way to give false prestige to your highest rating and makes everything ****3/4 and below automatically less valuable because there's such an arbitrary difference that really can't be explained, removing the objectivity of the analysis for an overly subjective "it's just how I feel bro." I'm reminded of when Bryan Alvarez gave Taker/HBK at WM 25 **** 3/4 instead of *****. When asked why, he hemmed and hawed and never gave a real reason. It wasn't ***** because it wasn't. Ridiculous. |
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Post by cabbageboy on Jan 2, 2015 18:15:01 GMT -5
For a guy crapped on by the crowd it's hilarious that Dave Batista is in two of the best matches of the year, both from WWE's own rankings and from Meltzer. Namely the WM main event and also the Evolution/Shield match.
Am I the only one who just isn't that astounded by some of the Zayn matches? The R-Evolution match was fine I guess, but ****3/4 means it was one of the very best matches of all time. It was a solid TV main event, kinda slow, good finish. I'd probably say ***1/2 or so.
If I had to say the Match of the Year I'll go with the MITB match. One of the best matches I've ever seen.
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Post by KobashiChop on Jan 2, 2015 18:15:33 GMT -5
Zayn/Neville was 5 stars. I dont give a shit what he says. The moment where he is about to swing with the belt and the fans are pleading with him not to do it, the moment where hes lining up the Helluva kick to finish it, those were as genuine a moment as youll ever see in wrestling. That was storytelling.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2015 18:21:10 GMT -5
I guess maybe it's nitpicky, but is there really that much of a difference between ****1/4, ****1/2, ****3/4? Just say it was **** and be done with it. This is gonna seem super nitpicky but there is. Well, I'm not a fan of quarter stars but there is absolutely a difference between a **** match and **** 1/2 match. You can't really define what the difference is because it's so subjective and what makes one match g reat may not work for another match but it's not hard to spot once you've used the star system long enough. Agreed, I think half stars should suffice. At that point it's basically a scale of 1 to 10, with 4 and a half stars being a 9 rather than a 10. |
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Post by khali on Jan 2, 2015 18:27:56 GMT -5
Seriously though, my issue with the stars rating system is that it's effective rating matches on a scale of 1-20, which is kind of silly. The whole really "five stars" is such an accepted method of evaluation worldwide is because in any language you can understand the difference between flawless-very good-good-not so good-bad. For something as nuanced and prolific as the observer, I can understand rating things on a scale of 1-10 (effectives stars and half-stars) as you're going to be able to make a clear cut universal argument for the difference between, say, a 4 and a 5 or a 7 and an 8. But going 1-20 with quarter stars is just a baffling way to give false prestige to your highest rating and makes everything ****3/4 and below automatically less valuable because there's such an arbitrary difference that really can't be explained, removing the objectivity of the analysis for an overly subjective "it's just how I feel bro." I'm reminded of when Bryan Alvarez gave Taker/HBK at WM 25 **** 3/4 instead of *****. When asked why, he hemmed and hawed and never gave a real reason. It wasn't ***** because it wasn't. Ridiculous. Didn't he offer an explanation, though? I seem to remember him saying that being in the building live, it looked like Taker might have been seriously hurt doing that dive, and it took Alvarez out of the match a little. Sure, not a great explanation, but he did give one. |
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Post by Steveweiser on Jan 2, 2015 18:30:26 GMT -5
Shield/Wyatts at Chamber was given ****1/4, which is pretty ludicrous given I felt it was the best main roster match of 2014.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 2, 2015 18:30:51 GMT -5
I'm reminded of when Bryan Alvarez gave Taker/HBK at WM 25 **** 3/4 instead of *****. When asked why, he hemmed and hawed and never gave a real reason. It wasn't ***** because it wasn't. Ridiculous. Didn't he offer an explanation, though? I seem to remember him saying that being in the building live, it looked like Taker might have been seriously hurt doing that dive, and it took Alvarez out of the match a little. Sure, not a great explanation, but he did give one. I've actually never heard that explanation. Fair enough but that's a really shitty explanation, haha. |
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jan 2, 2015 18:44:48 GMT -5
He also gave Triple H v. Daniel Bryan 4.25 stars.
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Post by the2ndevil on Jan 2, 2015 18:56:21 GMT -5
No love for Zayn/Cesaro, Natty/Charlotte, or Sasha/Charlotte?Meltzer? Give praise to a women's match? Oh, you are adorable! |
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Jan 2, 2015 18:56:57 GMT -5
Zayn/Neville was 5 stars. I dont give a shit what he says. The moment where he is about to swing with the belt and the fans are pleading with him not to do it, the moment where hes lining up the Helluva kick to finish it, those were as genuine a moment as youll ever see in wrestling. That was storytelling. Yep, Zayn/Neville was MOTY for me. That's not just WWE either, I'm talking all organizations. The match was perfect. |
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