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Post by Lance Uppercut on Jan 5, 2015 15:11:16 GMT -5
I don't mean "Worst" as in blatantly abusing it a la HHH (as some would claim).
I mean, totally not taking advantage of it, or in come cases being punished because of it.
Take the Bellas for example.
For two divas that the company loves, Vince's favorites, Cena and Bryan's gfs, they've been treated rather crappily over the course of the last 6 years. Oh we complained about them, but really before TD, they were barely on TV, jobbed to the point of looking like AJ's bitches, were the running joke of Celebrity whores chilling with the guest hosts. That was all in their first run. Their return with Bryan/Cena they got more focused but holy crap has Brie and Nikki been written to be an incompetent failures. Jobbing left and right, getting punked by Stephanie McMahon over and over, ass kicked by Nikki, Jerry Springer segment, joining the Authority the "personal assistant story" that they never did anything with, then dropped.
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Post by aliciafoxfan on Jan 5, 2015 15:14:05 GMT -5
You could say that about most of the Divas Division. AJ seems to be Vince's favorite.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 15:44:20 GMT -5
CM Punk, couldn't even get his best friend a job.
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Post by gr1990 on Jan 5, 2015 15:56:32 GMT -5
I don't mean "Worst" as in blatantly abusing it a la HHH (as some would claim). I mean, totally not taking advantage of it, or in come cases being punished because of it. Take the Bellas for example. For two divas that the company loves, Vince's favorites, Cena and Bryan's gfs, they've been treated rather crappily over the course of the last 6 years. Oh we complained about them, but really before TD, they were barely on TV, jobbed to the point of looking like AJ's bitches, were the running joke of Celebrity whores chilling with the guest hosts. That was all in their first run. Their return with Bryan/Cena they got more focused but holy crap has Brie and Nikki been written to be an incompetent failures. Jobbing left and right, getting punked by Stephanie McMahon over and over, ass kicked by Nikki, Jerry Springer segment, joining the Authority the "personal assistant story" that they never did anything with, then dropped. They've done about as much as Divas ever do though. Since they came back: *They've barely been off Raw *Total Divas and its promotional material has been geared primarily around them *Brie got the most promo time and prominent role since AJ in 2012 during her feud with Stephanie, all because of her marriage to Bryan, and had the upper hand in the Summerslam match before Nikki turned on her. *They're the only Divas to get lengthy non-title matches on pay-per-view in years, and lengthy segments on Raw to promote them *AJ jobbed clean to both Bellas in non-title when she was champion and needed Tamina's help to beat Brie in both their title matches, so they were hardly her bitches when it counted. AJ never retained via anything other than cheating and/or sneaky opportunism from Night of Champions on in her big title reign. Nikki and Brie were always booked pretty strong as babyfaces, Nikki jobs now cos she's the heel champion, and no one is worse at winning clean against anyone credible than a heel midcard champion. Except a heel midcard champion's lackey, which is what Brie now is. Every Diva other than AJ would kill to be in the Bellas' position, and whatever your opinions are on them as performers, their relationships with Cena and Bryan have very definitely helped them get where they are. The fact they're not annihilating everybody left and right is probably a sign that they're mature enough not to abuse their pull too much. Before Total Divas hardly counts since Nikki and Cena weren't together and Bryan wasn't a top guy, and being 'Vince's favourites' was probably what got them a weekly spot as the Raw guest hosts' arm candy while other Divas went weeks without appearing. |
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Post by hossfan on Jan 5, 2015 16:28:23 GMT -5
No way to know for sure, but Kane probably could have gotten a couple more world title runs and a few less crazy storylines if he wanted to. I know there was a story saying he turned down the chance to end the Undertaker's streak at Wrestlemania 20, which if true is an example of using your clout to NOT go over your opponent.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 16:36:56 GMT -5
He's also turned down World titles before aswell.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 5, 2015 18:54:38 GMT -5
No way to know for sure, but Kane probably could have gotten a couple more world title runs and a few less crazy storylines if he wanted to. I know there was a story saying he turned down the chance to end the Undertaker's streak at Wrestlemania 20, which if true is an example of using your clout to NOT go over your opponent. The story I heard was he had the chance to beat the Undertaker in their first Wrestlemania match and he turned it down, not the one at 20. With the hype around Undertaker's return Kane winning 20 wouldn't have made much sense. |
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 5, 2015 18:57:12 GMT -5
Punk had enough pull to get "Cult of Personality" and a tour bus. Yet, he couldn't get Cabana a job or get Kofi Kingston a push.
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Post by gl83 on Jan 5, 2015 19:16:29 GMT -5
Punk had enough pull to get "Cult of Personality" and a tour bus. Yet, he couldn't get Cabana a job or get Kofi Kingston a push.What ever do you mean?  |
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Post by xCompackx on Jan 5, 2015 19:28:15 GMT -5
Punk had enough pull to get "Cult of Personality" and a tour bus. Yet, he couldn't get Cabana a job or get Kofi Kingston a push. To be fair, Colt Cabana had already worked there and they didn't do anything with him. If NXT as a developmental had been around back then, it'd be far better for him. |
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Post by hossfan on Jan 5, 2015 19:59:55 GMT -5
No way to know for sure, but Kane probably could have gotten a couple more world title runs and a few less crazy storylines if he wanted to. I know there was a story saying he turned down the chance to end the Undertaker's streak at Wrestlemania 20, which if true is an example of using your clout to NOT go over your opponent. The story I heard was he had the chance to beat the Undertaker in their first Wrestlemania match and he turned it down, not the one at 20. With the hype around Undertaker's return Kane winning 20 wouldn't have made much sense. That's true, and quite amazing when you consider how much mileage WWE got out of The Streak as time went on. |
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Post by JCBaggee on Jan 5, 2015 20:10:23 GMT -5
Colt did get a try out for an announcing gig too, but I can't recall if he turned it down or they opted not to hire him. Either way, I don't think WWE knows what to do with Colt, and I don't think Colt would know what to do in WWE.
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Post by Manute Bol on Jan 5, 2015 20:34:33 GMT -5
Punk had enough pull to get "Cult of Personality" and a tour bus. Yet, he couldn't get Cabana a job or get Kofi Kingston a push. I always thought the guys with the tour buses opted for that themselves. Are you sure the company provided that for him? |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 5, 2015 21:12:12 GMT -5
Justin Credible and X-Pac. Credible was a member of the Kliq back in his PJ Polaco/Aldo Montoya but got no push, heck they even stopped using him as a jobber so he couldn't make enough money to live on, he had to sign a deal where he couldn't go to WCW in order to get his release. X-Pac, he was the only core member of the NWO to be released from their WWF deal and he was fired from WCW while the NWO was at it's peak.
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Post by cjh on Jan 5, 2015 22:06:21 GMT -5
Justin Credible and X-Pac. Credible was a member of the Kliq back in his PJ Polaco/Aldo Montoya but got no push, heck they even stopped using him as a jobber so he couldn't make enough money to live on, he had to sign a deal where he couldn't go to WCW in order to get his release. X-Pac, he was the only core member of the NWO to be released from their WWF deal and he was fired from WCW while the NWO was at it's peak. That would be strange if true regarding Credible. At the time he started with ECW in 1997, he was actually sent there (and to the USWA in Memphis at the same time) as WWF-contracted talent like Al Snow, Brakkus, Droz, etc. It was a few weeks or months into the Justin Credible run that he became an actual ECW guy and not just WWF talent that ECW was being allowed to use. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 5, 2015 22:10:48 GMT -5
Punk had enough pull to get "Cult of Personality" and a tour bus. Yet, he couldn't get Cabana a job or get Kofi Kingston a push.What ever do you mean? Yeah. This. Up until the world titles were unified,Kofi was pretty much "the only midcard face that exists". |
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Post by Racksman on Jan 5, 2015 23:25:09 GMT -5
Justin Credible and X-Pac. Credible was a member of the Kliq back in his PJ Polaco/Aldo Montoya but got no push, heck they even stopped using him as a jobber so he couldn't make enough money to live on, he had to sign a deal where he couldn't go to WCW in order to get his release. X-Pac, he was the only core member of the NWO to be released from their WWF deal and he was fired from WCW while the NWO was at it's peak. That would be strange if true regarding Credible. At the time he started with ECW in 1997, he was actually sent there (and to the USWA in Memphis at the same time) as WWF-contracted talent like Al Snow, Brakkus, Droz, etc. It was a few weeks or months into the Justin Credible run that he became an actual ECW guy and not just WWF talent that ECW was being allowed to use. Before it had to get deleted, the Old Observers Thread revealed that WWE did NOT send Credible down there and Heyman kept begging for him so he could mold him and then give him back, and eventually they caved instead by releasing him so he could go to ECW. I believe he signed some sort of agreement not to go to WCW. Why the f*** was Justin Credible being treated as a hot commodity?! |
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Post by cjh on Jan 5, 2015 23:53:50 GMT -5
That would be strange if true regarding Credible. At the time he started with ECW in 1997, he was actually sent there (and to the USWA in Memphis at the same time) as WWF-contracted talent like Al Snow, Brakkus, Droz, etc. It was a few weeks or months into the Justin Credible run that he became an actual ECW guy and not just WWF talent that ECW was being allowed to use. Before it had to get deleted, the Old Observers Thread revealed that WWE did NOT send Credible down there and Heyman kept begging for him so he could mold him and then give him back, and eventually they caved instead by releasing him so he could go to ECW. I believe he signed some sort of agreement not to go to WCW. Why the f*** was Justin Credible being treated as a hot commodity?! That's true about Heyman pushing for him and thinking he could really do something with him, but that was part of the deal with ECW and the WWF. Heyman and Vince met in 1996 and set up a deal where guys would be under contract to the WWF but be allowed to work for ECW so Heyman could work with them. Then, eventually, they'd come back to the WWF. It's exactly what happened with Al Snow. He was under contract to the WWF for his whole 1997-98 ECW run. As you said, that was the idea with Credible when started in ECW (he actually started in August under his USWA name of PG-187, then debuted on TV a month later with his new name), but at some point, he decided to just stay in ECW. I definitely remember reading around Heat Wave 1998, when he was feuding with Jerry Lynn, that the WWF was interested in bringing him back. |
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Post by Racksman on Jan 6, 2015 0:13:51 GMT -5
Before it had to get deleted, the Old Observers Thread revealed that WWE did NOT send Credible down there and Heyman kept begging for him so he could mold him and then give him back, and eventually they caved instead by releasing him so he could go to ECW. I believe he signed some sort of agreement not to go to WCW. Why the f*** was Justin Credible being treated as a hot commodity?! That's true about Heyman pushing for him and thinking he could really do something with him, but that was part of the deal with ECW and the WWF. Heyman and Vince met in 1996 and set up a deal where guys would be under contract to the WWF but be allowed to work for ECW so Heyman could work with them. Then, eventually, they'd come back to the WWF. It's exactly what happened with Al Snow. He was under contract to the WWF for his whole 1997-98 ECW run. As you said, that was the idea with Credible when started in ECW (he actually started in August under his USWA name of PG-187, then debuted on TV a month later with his new name), but at some point, he decided to just stay in ECW. I definitely remember reading around Heat Wave 1998, when he was feuding with Jerry Lynn, that the WWF was interested in bringing him back. I know that was the deal between ECW and WWF, that's fairly common knowledge, and it wasn't the point I was making. I was saying that in the Old Observer thread, it stated that WWF had NOT sent him down, they wound up giving him a conditional release to go down to ECW. There were no plans for Paul E to mold him and then send him back up. Paul wanted to make him his next big heel with Raven gone and Douglas being cycled down some due to injuries. |
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Post by cjh on Jan 6, 2015 0:47:00 GMT -5
That's true about Heyman pushing for him and thinking he could really do something with him, but that was part of the deal with ECW and the WWF. Heyman and Vince met in 1996 and set up a deal where guys would be under contract to the WWF but be allowed to work for ECW so Heyman could work with them. Then, eventually, they'd come back to the WWF. It's exactly what happened with Al Snow. He was under contract to the WWF for his whole 1997-98 ECW run. As you said, that was the idea with Credible when started in ECW (he actually started in August under his USWA name of PG-187, then debuted on TV a month later with his new name), but at some point, he decided to just stay in ECW. I definitely remember reading around Heat Wave 1998, when he was feuding with Jerry Lynn, that the WWF was interested in bringing him back. I know that was the deal between ECW and WWF, that's fairly common knowledge, and it wasn't the point I was making. I was saying that in the Old Observer thread, it stated that WWF had NOT sent him down, they wound up giving him a conditional release to go down to ECW. There were no plans for Paul E to mold him and then send him back up. Paul wanted to make him his next big heel with Raven gone and Douglas being cycled down some due to injuries. If that actually happened, it doesn't make a bit of sense, given that the WWF had already sent him to the USWA and could have done the same with ECW if keeping him away from WCW was a such a concern. |
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