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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 1, 2015 13:42:33 GMT -5
Most of the beards on those guys in the pictures are not their normal look. They tend to adopt certain looks for certain roles. It's very different, and with the exception of Russell Brand, most of those guys look far more presentable than Bryan, who looks unkempt. If his gimmick was the vegan, hipster, etc....that would be one thing, but those aren't his on screen personas. His veganism is barely mentioned these days, and the only time it was mentioned in the past was to either gain heat, or mock him. They don't mention the veganism anymore because he had to give it up after developing a soy allergy (and even before then, finding it virtually impossible to always find vegan establishments while travelling), and while he doesn't do the hipster thing, he DOES still do a toned down version of the proletarian gimmick (his interview on Monday about "The people with money think they have power, but they don't have any power..."). Given WWE's history, they'd frame him as being in the wrong, ungrateful and unfair to benevolent management. The summer of Punk, the walkout, the Yes movement. Any sort of Occupy/union/protest angle is always portrayed that way.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 1, 2015 14:06:44 GMT -5
They don't mention the veganism anymore because he had to give it up after developing a soy allergy (and even before then, finding it virtually impossible to always find vegan establishments while travelling), and while he doesn't do the hipster thing, he DOES still do a toned down version of the proletarian gimmick (his interview on Monday about "The people with money think they have power, but they don't have any power..."). Given WWE's history, they'd frame him as being in the wrong, ungrateful and unfair to benevolent management. The summer of Punk, the walkout, the Yes movement. Any sort of Occupy/union/protest angle is always portrayed that way. I'd like to see them do something that isn't black-and-white, where say suddenly a bunch of HHH's boys come up from NXT (Zayn, Neville, and Balor, let's say). They're doing well, they're treated well, but it's clear they're HHH's favorites, even though they're not being portrayed as heels. And you have groups who think they're not being treated fairly by "the man" (Ziggler, Bryan), and those who feel they are, and neither side is really in the wrong so to speak... Of course, I realize WWE's writers wouldn't be able to handle something like that...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 14:07:48 GMT -5
They don't mention the veganism anymore because he had to give it up after developing a soy allergy (and even before then, finding it virtually impossible to always find vegan establishments while travelling), and while he doesn't do the hipster thing, he DOES still do a toned down version of the proletarian gimmick (his interview on Monday about "The people with money think they have power, but they don't have any power..."). Given WWE's history, they'd frame him as being in the wrong, ungrateful and unfair to benevolent management. The summer of Punk, the walkout, the Yes movement. Any sort of Occupy/union/protest angle is always portrayed that way. Which I always find wierd as their most popular angle featured an anti authority hero versus an establishment that was portrayed as being in the wrong and we were encouraged to cheer for the anti-establishment agenda. Why'd they go s-a-w-f-t on us?
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Feb 1, 2015 14:17:28 GMT -5
I was playing devil's advocate a little with the beard pictures but it was more to say- if they wanted to present him as a star, they could, the look is an easy excuse but not a realistic obstacle. I do agree he could do with having a slightly tidier beard, but in all honesty I kinda like the Rasputin look, and think if they wanted to work with it they easily could. They just don't want to.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 15:11:49 GMT -5
I think there is a bigger thing here. Bryan has only been wrestling for a month since he was out with a career threatening injury. My guess is that WWE is waiting to see if he's actually able to wrestle a full schedule before they actually start putting him in the main event. My prediction is if he stays healthy for the next few months he'll be in the title hunt. So was Reigns, though. It wasn't career-threatening, but he's also coming off of an injury it took him much longer to recover from than expected.
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Post by joeiscool on Feb 1, 2015 18:52:22 GMT -5
I think there is a bigger thing here. Bryan has only been wrestling for a month since he was out with a career threatening injury. My guess is that WWE is waiting to see if he's actually able to wrestle a full schedule before they actually start putting him in the main event. My prediction is if he stays healthy for the next few months he'll be in the title hunt. So was Reigns, though. It wasn't career-threatening, but he's also coming off of an injury it took him much longer to recover from than expected. Apple and oranges here for sure. Literally even the way Bryan talks about it sounds like it was inches short of him being healed by vodoo. I'm sure everyone in WWE is watching to make sure Bryan is able to work. Roman on the other hand had a completely normal injury that happens to a large percentage of people. He had fairly normal surgery, and recovered fairly normally.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Feb 1, 2015 19:05:23 GMT -5
I have a feeling they're going to have no choice but to give in again. The reception is only going to get worst for Reigns, they're not going to boo Lesnar, and when Seth cashes in he'll get face heat rather than anything regarding a heel. So Vince and company better get prepared for more Network cancellations.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 19:16:56 GMT -5
I have a feeling they're going to have no choice but to give in again. The reception is only going to get worst for Reigns, they're not going to boo Lesnar, and when Seth cashes in he'll get face heat rather than anything regarding a heel. So Vince and company better get prepared for more Network cancellations. I think they're just going to look at all of that as, "Edge got cheered when he cashed in on Cena, it'll be fine," while failing to recognize the other issues surrounding this. And I think in a sense it's for the better they leave it as it is - let their plans actually go through and fail spectacularly instead of being aborted this time and maybe they'll learn to start giving the fans what they actually want. Yeah, it'll destroy Roman's career, but based on recent interviews he seems like a douche so I don't feel that bad for him and hey, every cause needs a sacrificial lamb.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Feb 1, 2015 20:59:15 GMT -5
I have a feeling they're going to have no choice but to give in again. The reception is only going to get worst for Reigns, they're not going to boo Lesnar, and when Seth cashes in he'll get face heat rather than anything regarding a heel. So Vince and company better get prepared for more Network cancellations. I think they're just going to look at all of that as, "Edge got cheered when he cashed in on Cena, it'll be fine," while failing to recognize the other issues surrounding this. And I think in a sense it's for the better they leave it as it is - let their plans actually go through and fail spectacularly instead of being aborted this time and maybe they'll learn to start giving the fans what they actually want. Yeah, it'll destroy Roman's career, but based on recent interviews he seems like a douche so I don't feel that bad for him and hey, every cause needs a sacrificial lamb. I am inclined to agree with you. But when this blows up in their face you know they'll blame it on someone like Bryan, Ziggler, or Bray instead of as you say focusing on the real problems regarding their product.
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Post by g1megatronfan on Feb 1, 2015 21:21:47 GMT -5
Well that certainly makes a lot of sense. Ignore fan demand and give us a boring schmuck like Roman Reigns who can't wrestle to save his life. Then again...these are the same people who gave us Cena for the past decade...lol.
Idiots. Plain and simple.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Feb 1, 2015 21:25:50 GMT -5
Then again...these are the same people who gave us Cena for the past decade...lol. Idiots. Plain and simple. They're idiots for pushing one of the biggest mechandise sellers and one of the more popular wrestlers of the last 30 years?
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Post by g1megatronfan on Feb 1, 2015 21:31:02 GMT -5
Then again...these are the same people who gave us Cena for the past decade...lol. Idiots. Plain and simple. They're idiots for pushing one of the biggest mechandise sellers and one of the more popular wrestlers of the last 30 years? I think you are exaggerating quite a bit. Top seller...okay, but that's because he has the most merch. They come out with new Cena shit every other week. Khali or Hirnswoggle would be top sellers if they had as much as Cena. Popular?...really? I don't even want to get started on that never ending argument. It's like arm wrestling an octopus. Again...you are stretching it just a tad.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 21:32:14 GMT -5
Then again...these are the same people who gave us Cena for the past decade...lol. Idiots. Plain and simple. They're idiots for pushing one of the biggest mechandise sellers and one of the more popular wrestlers of the last 30 years? In a sense, yes. Not so much for pushing him, but refusing to build anyone up to his level has made them have to scramble for a replacement and panic like mad any time he gets injured, and during his time on top ratings and buyrates have bottomed out quite a bit and it's entirely possible had early stuff with him been done better the company might be in much better shape right now.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Feb 1, 2015 21:39:28 GMT -5
They're idiots for pushing one of the biggest mechandise sellers and one of the more popular wrestlers of the last 30 years? I think you are exaggerating quite a bit. Top seller...okay, but that's because he has the most merch. They come out with new Cena shit every other week. Khali or Hirnswoggle would be top sellers if they had as much as Cena. Popular?...really? I don't even want to get started on that never ending argument. It's like arm wrestling an octopus. Again...you are stretching it just a tad. With all due respect Khali or Hornswoggle, even with the same amount of merch as Cena, wouldn't be near him. He's very charismatic and knows how to work a crowd both as a face and a heel better than almost anyone on the roster. There is a reason he is the top guy besides Vince liking him. Hogan, The Rock and Austin are in the top tier that many don't reach but Cena is on the level right below them. Outside of Daniel Bryan and Mick Foley no one has been as big as he has. Hard to really placce Taker anywhere because he is an enitity all to himself. Really no exageration, he is the main draw of the WWE for the better part of a decade, deservedly so.
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Post by Deadman Inc on Feb 1, 2015 21:58:44 GMT -5
I think there is a bigger thing here. Bryan has only been wrestling for a month since he was out with a career threatening injury. My guess is that WWE is waiting to see if he's actually able to wrestle a full schedule before they actually start putting him in the main event. My prediction is if he stays healthy for the next few months he'll be in the title hunt. So was Reigns, though. It wasn't career-threatening, but he's also coming off of an injury it took him much longer to recover from than expected. Wasn't his a groin injury? Aren't those notoriously easy to re injure/exacerbate? I seem to recall a good year or so recently that Mark Henry kept having a groin injury over and over. The argument that they aren't sure of Bryan's long-term condition might hold merit if it weren't for Reigns also having an injury he could easily tweak again, and for the fact that they have Bryan out there doing the same offense he did pre-injury.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 22:02:36 GMT -5
So was Reigns, though. It wasn't career-threatening, but he's also coming off of an injury it took him much longer to recover from than expected. Wasn't his a groin injury? Aren't those notoriously easy to re injure/exacerbate? I seem to recall a good year or so recently that Mark Henry kept having a groin injury over and over. The argument that they aren't sure of Bryan's long-term condition might hold merit if it weren't for Reigns also having an injury he could easily tweak again, and for the fact that they have Bryan out there doing the same offense he did pre-injury. No, it wasn't a groin thing, incarcerated hernia I believe in the stomach.
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Post by Deadman Inc on Feb 1, 2015 22:04:32 GMT -5
Wasn't his a groin injury? Aren't those notoriously easy to re injure/exacerbate? I seem to recall a good year or so recently that Mark Henry kept having a groin injury over and over. The argument that they aren't sure of Bryan's long-term condition might hold merit if it weren't for Reigns also having an injury he could easily tweak again, and for the fact that they have Bryan out there doing the same offense he did pre-injury. No, it wasn't a groin thing, incarcerated hernia I believe in the stomach. Don't you get hernia's in your groin? Or am I just crazy?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 22:06:32 GMT -5
No, it wasn't a groin thing, incarcerated hernia I believe in the stomach. Don't you get hernia's in your groin? Or am I just crazy? They can be in the stomach too. Think also other places.
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Post by joeiscool on Feb 1, 2015 22:12:32 GMT -5
I think from a marketing standpoint there is something people fail to realize, WWE is an entertainment company. They often see themselves Bigger than wrestling, and often look for characters and people that are bigger than life. They often trying to distance them selves from just being a wrestling show.
People like CM punk are good wrestlers, but literally that's all he he is. I don't wanna see cm punk in a movie, hang out with him, or really see him do anything not in a wrestling ring. I admit, I kinda wanna see him in ufc but that is mostly because it seems like a car wreck waiting to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 22:17:53 GMT -5
I think from a marketing standpoint there is something people fail to realize, WWE is an entertainment company. They often see themselves Bigger than wrestling, and often look for characters and people that are bigger than life. They often trying to distance them selves from just being a wrestling show. People like CM punk are good wrestlers, but literally that's all he he is. I don't wanna see cm punk in a movie, hang out with him, or really see him do anything not in a wrestling ring. I admit, I kinda wanna see him in ufc but that is mostly because it seems like a car wreck waiting to happen. But if I want to see a movie star, I'll watch a movie. I watch wrestling so want to see wrestlers. That's the flaw. People don't watch RAW to see if a new guy turns up that would look great in a Transformers movie.
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