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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 21:07:07 GMT -5
I don't care what stories are out there about Meng, a high level heavyweight mixed martial artist would kick his ass. Lesnar isn't some drunk dude in a bar. Meng kinda was a high level heavyweight mixed martial artist. Since he was 10 and was sent to train in Japan. To the level that he would have been a championship caliber fighter if MMA was a thing then? The only thing I can find about him during that time period was that he trained in Sumo wrestling. That doesn't do much good against actual MMA fighters, just look at Akebono.
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Post by Raskovnik on Feb 4, 2015 21:10:31 GMT -5
Kane ten to fifteen years ago.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Feb 4, 2015 22:02:29 GMT -5
Meng kinda was a high level heavyweight mixed martial artist. Since he was 10 and was sent to train in Japan. To the level that he would have been a championship caliber fighter if MMA was a thing then? The only thing I can find about him during that time period was that he trained in Sumo wrestling. That doesn't do much good against actual MMA fighters, just look at Akebono. Depends. Sumo is a legit martial art, with some pretty strict disciplines. It's not all about 400 lb. guys squashing into each others' bellies. Again, dude was training in this stuff since he was 10. Willing to bet he did a lot of side-training as well in other techniques, given how long he was there and that he didn't become some 500 pound guy. As far as Akebono goes, besides the massive weight difference, we're talking about a 500+ pound guy that tried MMA 15 years after he went pro sumo and two years after he retired from that profession. Little bit of a difference from Haku at his peak (and frankly, I don't think any of us ever actually saw Haku at what would have been his peak). But really, that's hyper-hypothesizing. There are plenty of guys from the past that would have taken Brock down at their peak. Gotta keep in mind, for all of his strength and wrestling skills, Brock has proved multiple times that getting legit hit, especially in the face, does not do him any favors. He isn't a glass jaw, but he's pretty damn close. Out of the current, active crop? Dunno. Swagger might have had a chance at one point, but I kinda see his skills having deteriorated over the years. Believe it or not, if I had to pick one person in the WWE right now this instant to put money on to put Brock down in a real fight (not MMA), it'd be Ambrose, and it has little to do with his skill.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 4, 2015 22:05:25 GMT -5
Rusev, maybe, with the muay thai and his size, but it's really hard to picture how a fight would turn out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 22:05:36 GMT -5
I got my money on Fandango, bruddah.
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Post by saintpat on Feb 4, 2015 22:16:39 GMT -5
Isn't it confirmed that Angle took Brock down in a shoot? I think the just grappled, no strikes, not a fight to the death, so it's at best a limited sample from which to judge.
But I'd take a prime Angle if I had to bet one side or the other if they went at it for real. That's a world-class athlete who won Olympic gold with a broken neck. Yes Brock is bigger, stronger, more athletic, but Angle knows what he's doing and if he ever got a submission locked in it would be over ... none of this sports entertainment-style "I'm-going-to-hold-out-against-that-ankle-lock" because within seconds there would be tendons torn and shredded.
He may not beat Brock, but he'd have the best chance.
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Post by Some Guy on Feb 4, 2015 22:17:00 GMT -5
I mean, if you're going with Meng 20 years ago, you should probably mention Finlay. There was a story of them having a staredown in the locker room and everyone just backing away in fear.
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Post by bigjohnsons on Feb 4, 2015 22:47:21 GMT -5
Yup younger Meng
Samoans are tough people
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Feb 4, 2015 22:56:13 GMT -5
Before MMA all fighters just had slap fights.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Feb 4, 2015 23:20:05 GMT -5
Isn't it confirmed that Angle took Brock down in a shoot? I think the just grappled, no strikes, not a fight to the death, so it's at best a limited sample from which to judge. But I'd take a prime Angle if I had to bet one side or the other if they went at it for real. That's a world-class athlete who won Olympic gold with a broken neck. Yes Brock is bigger, stronger, more athletic, but Angle knows what he's doing and if he ever got a submission locked in it would be over ... none of this sports entertainment-style "I'm-going-to-hold-out-against-that-ankle-lock" because within seconds there would be tendons torn and shredded. He may not beat Brock, but he'd have the best chance. We're talking past peaks again? In that regard, I'll throw Backlund in the mix. The whole freak strong thing in his genetics are nothing to sneeze at and would play an integral role in things.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 23:29:13 GMT -5
All time? If he was bigger, an in his prime Danny Hodge. In amateur wrestling, the guy was 46-0 and was never taken down from a standing position. As a boxer, he was a Golden Gloves with a 17-0 amateur record, with 12 knockouts and he had a professional record of 8-2.
Size difference would make it unrealistic, however, as Hodge wrestled at 177 pounds.
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Post by Racksman on Feb 4, 2015 23:34:36 GMT -5
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Post by Beav on Feb 4, 2015 23:37:31 GMT -5
All time? If he was bigger, an in his prime Danny Hodge. In amateur wrestling, the guy was 46-0 and was never taken down from a standing position. As a boxer, he was a Golden Gloves with a 17-0 amateur record, with 12 knockouts and he had a professional record of 8-2. Size difference would make it unrealistic, however, as Hodge wrestled at 177 pounds. Size difference or no, I still think Danny Hodge in his prime would have a damn good shot. Guy's over 80, can still crush an apple with one hand. If even half the stories JR tells about Danny Hodge are true, I'd actually be afraid for Lesnar.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Feb 4, 2015 23:44:40 GMT -5
Big Show would be the only person I'd give a chance and I am not even sure it be a real chance. Big Show lost to Kurt Angle in a backstage fight in about 7 seconds once, so I wouldn't give him much of a chance
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Feb 4, 2015 23:50:04 GMT -5
Big Show would be the only person I'd give a chance and I am not even sure it be a real chance. Big Show lost to Kurt Angle in a backstage fight in about 7 seconds once, so I wouldn't give him much of a chance and now that I am thinking about it, he lost to Khali in a fight as well so Show is a poor choice. Really, I cannot think of anyone that would match up that well. Lesnar has size, speed, strength, got top wrestling skills, professional striking experience and power. Yeah there are a few guys that might have one or two of those, maybe three if you stretch it but they aren't going to be able to counter all of them.
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Post by PTBartman on Feb 4, 2015 23:52:50 GMT -5
All time...
I have questions about two past wrestlers, who I know of more from reading about than witnessing.
First, Blackman. Was he really that tough? Could he take Brock.
And secondly, Shamrock. I saw his early WWF work, but knew nothing about his MMA career except that he had one. How would he fare against Lesner in and out of the octagon.
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Post by Cela on Feb 5, 2015 0:12:01 GMT -5
No one. Brock has more fighting training than all of them. Sure, he's not a fan of being punched, but he has enough wrestling to nullify any potential striking.
Meng, locker room badass that he was, would have lasted about a minute tops. If early UFCs taught us anything, all the street fighting ability goes out the window when you're on your back.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Feb 5, 2015 0:13:30 GMT -5
HHH. After all, he's the coolest, toughest, largest penised, smartest and all around greatest man that has ever been.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 0:17:14 GMT -5
No one. Brock has more fighting training than all of them. Sure, he's not a fan of being punched, but he has enough wrestling to nullify any potential striking. Meng, locker room badass that he was, would have lasted about a minute tops. If early UFCs taught us anything, all the street fighting ability goes out the window when you're on your back. While that's true, if Meng has the sumo qualifications that his biography suggests, he spent many years training precisely how not to get taken down. Not saying at all that would somehow nullify Brock but you lose a sumo bout if you get taken down.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Feb 5, 2015 0:21:12 GMT -5
Yup younger Meng Samoans are tough people Eh Meng is Tongan not Samoan. Big Show would be the only person I'd give a chance and I am not even sure it be a real chance. I doubt Show would have a chance at all because Brock would just take him down and then ground and pound him into oblivion. But seriously no one on the current roster would be able to beat him in a real fight.
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