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Post by Citizen Snips on Jul 9, 2017 18:25:58 GMT -5
The movie itself was fine, if not Marvel's best. What I liked the most was the tone. It wasn't mopey like Raimi's films or wangsty like Webb's. It had emotion, it had responsibility but it was also fun. It finally felt like Peter was an actual teenager who got these powers. Just something simple like having him goofing around and pretending to be Thor was just so refreshing after hours of Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield staring mournfully off rooftops.
Michael Keaton was awesome, Tom Holland was great, Marisa Tomei did a lot with her (too) small role, great supporting players (I liked most of the kids...not to mention Donald Glover, Martin Starr and Hannibal Burress).
Weirdly, one of my favorite parts were the closing credits. If they can keep that vibe...bright, vibrant, fun, Ramones...they'll do just great.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 9, 2017 18:42:52 GMT -5
So I just got back from seeing it, and I totally loved it.
It's radically different from the Raimi films and the Amazing series, and I say that as someone who liked the Raimi Spideys in spite of their flaws. To be honest, I don't think there's been a Spider-Man movie I've flat out despised, they all have varying good and bad points.
But I enjoyed how relatively scaled down this story was, and it just felt good for me to sit back and watch a film about Peter Parker that didn't constantly reiterate that Uncle Ben is dead and that I need to feel sad. That's not to say that Homecoming doesn't have serious moments, though, but they feel earned.
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Post by Clint Bobski on Jul 9, 2017 18:43:51 GMT -5
Saw it tonight.
Highlights (without spoilers):
Tom Holland - Much better than moping loved up Garfield. Ahead of Maguire by a slim margin.
Michael Keaton - Loved his menace and the Vulture is a great villain, one of the better ones who has great motivation (and THAT speech is awesome).
Spider-Man wanting to be a hero - Not so much in the Tobey Maguire movies, but in both ASM films far, FAR too much time is spent on Peter Parker and Gwen Stacy's relationship. You always got the feeling that Spider-Man didn't really give as much of a damn if she wasn't in danger. Here, he's trying to do the right thing, he's just not good at it yet.
Secret identity - This Spider-Man goes to great lengths to preserve it, not like Garfield's who would take his mask off a lot so Sony could show "we've cast Andrew Garfield".
Lowlights:
Ned Leeds - annoying and not in the slightest bit funny.
Didn't get a sense of how desperate Toomes was. You kept being told how he wasnearly ruined but he seemed to embrace the heel turn all too quickly.
Finale - really difficult to tell what was going on towards the end.
Overall good - much better than Sony's past attempts (but their presence still shone through with the amount of high school/romance rubbish that Amy Pascal banged on about being one of the better bits of ASM 1/2)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 18:49:02 GMT -5
I had no problem with the casting at all except for Flash Thompson. I don't know what that character was, but it wasn't Flash.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 9, 2017 18:54:40 GMT -5
Also, what was wrong with the Burger King Kids Club? They were great. I liked them so much more as a kid than Ronald McDonald's lame ass.
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Post by Raskovnik on Jul 9, 2017 18:59:54 GMT -5
I had no problem with the casting at all except for Flash Thompson. I don't know what that character was, but it wasn't Flash. I thought it was a great modern take on the bully character rather than that burly asshole jock stereotype that hasn't really felt particularly relevant since the Cold War. There's way more than one kind of bully and bullying, especially in this day and age, and I thought it was actually a really smart direction to take it in. I guess he didn't have to be named Flash but he was a bully in a Spider-Man story so that's what they felt like calling him.
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Post by Raskovnik on Jul 9, 2017 19:01:02 GMT -5
Also, what was wrong with the Burger King Kids Club? They were great. I liked them so much more as a kid than Ronald McDonald's lame ass. Ain't nothing wrong with Kid Vid
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 9, 2017 19:07:30 GMT -5
Also, what was wrong with the Burger King Kids Club? They were great. I liked them so much more as a kid than Ronald McDonald's lame ass. Ain't nothing wrong with Kid Vid Him, Snaps and Jaws were my favorites. The only McDonald's character I really liked was Grimace.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jul 9, 2017 19:13:23 GMT -5
I had no problem with the casting at all except for Flash Thompson. I don't know what that character was, but it wasn't Flash. I thought it was a great modern take on the bully character rather than that burly asshole jock stereotype that hasn't really felt particularly relevant since the Cold War. There's way more than one kind of bully and bullying, especially in this day and age, and I thought it was actually a really smart direction to take it in. I guess he didn't have to be named Flash but he was a bully in a Spider-Man story so that's what they felt like calling him. add to that since they thankfully skipped over the origin, what would be the point of introducing a character who looks bigger, stronger, faster than Peter when we know he's not. once Peter's bitten and gets his powers, Flash is no longer a threat. by making him a rich, smarmy asshole instead of typical jock, he can still fulfill the bully role
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Post by Fade on Jul 9, 2017 20:26:50 GMT -5
I'm about to watch it with the GF..reviews (fans) have me so skeptical about it..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 21:04:39 GMT -5
I had no problem with the casting at all except for Flash Thompson. I don't know what that character was, but it wasn't Flash. I thought it was a great modern take on the bully character rather than that burly asshole jock stereotype that hasn't really felt particularly relevant since the Cold War. There's way more than one kind of bully and bullying, especially in this day and age, and I thought it was actually a really smart direction to take it in. I guess he didn't have to be named Flash but he was a bully in a Spider-Man story so that's what they felt like calling him. I agree that he was a good bully. I just really like that original Flash character and who he becomes and would have preferred him as the asshole jock...which is a bully stereotype that is still very much around (speaking as a teacher who sees is every single day in the hallways and has to put a stop to it). But my preference isn't necessarily what HAS to happen.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 9, 2017 21:07:31 GMT -5
Flash could have been at least a little physically intimidating though. I agree he didn't have to be a meathead jock, but when it looks like anyone he messed with could just slap the shit out of him, that's a problem.
The kid played it well, and I got no issue with it being a different version of a bully, but it was kind of a miscast given that he's no real threat.
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Post by Fade on Jul 10, 2017 0:45:14 GMT -5
MEH.
Big ass ol Meh.
Second half was great....first half was terrible.
Tom Holland is the first cat to catch both Peterr and Spider-Man. Keaton was amazing as vulture. Their scene, when the big reveal is made, was the best, No CJI, no graphics, two actors with true intentions. Great stuff.
The two controversial castings...man, f*** that. So stupid. Donald Glover scene was great too.
As far as Spidey flicks go?..
SM2>SM>homecoming>ASM>asm2
As far as Marvel flicks go?..it's down there. Better than the Thor flicks. Probably on par with Ant-Man.
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Post by Evil Homer on Jul 10, 2017 1:13:25 GMT -5
I had no problem with the casting at all except for Flash Thompson. I don't know what that character was, but it wasn't Flash. Strongly agree , I justed hated whatever that character was
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jul 10, 2017 1:24:07 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Was this the first time that has happened so far? Talking about the movies, themselves, not the shows Can't wait for them to get off their duffs and announce Thunderbolts for Phase 4. You could add Abomination, Loki, and Red Skull. (Skull most likely got teleported by the Tesseract and isn't dead.)
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Post by Cela on Jul 10, 2017 3:31:26 GMT -5
I had no problem with the casting at all except for Flash Thompson. I don't know what that character was, but it wasn't Flash. I thought it was a great modern take on the bully character rather than that burly asshole jock stereotype that hasn't really felt particularly relevant since the Cold War. There's way more than one kind of bully and bullying, especially in this day and age, and I thought it was actually a really smart direction to take it in. I guess he didn't have to be named Flash but he was a bully in a Spider-Man story so that's what they felt like calling him. I just hated how all over the place he was. He was the dumb jock (They reference him being really fast) who is on the academic decatholon team, but doesn't know things. And is a cowardly jerk. And is also a DJ, because DJs are a thing now. Just pick a damn direction and go with it.
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Post by chrom on Jul 10, 2017 7:08:04 GMT -5
I thought it was a great modern take on the bully character rather than that burly asshole jock stereotype that hasn't really felt particularly relevant since the Cold War. There's way more than one kind of bully and bullying, especially in this day and age, and I thought it was actually a really smart direction to take it in. I guess he didn't have to be named Flash but he was a bully in a Spider-Man story so that's what they felt like calling him. I just hated how all over the place he was. He was the dumb jock (They reference him being really fast) who is on the academic decatholon team, but doesn't know things. And is a cowardly jerk. And is also a DJ, because DJs are a thing now. Just pick a damn direction and go with it. He was called Flash because he did his work really fast
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 7:31:30 GMT -5
I'd like to bring up a point about Flash that Jeremy Jahns made about because I think it's a good one and something I like about this incarnation:
"Flash Thompson was always the jock bully. That was the high school cliche I always knew. Jock Bullies. Nerds. The jocks pick on the nerds. Now I've been out of high school for a while so maybe it's changed but I like the fact that Flash Thompson, the bully, is actually apart of Peter Parker's social group. You can't run from someone like that. He's a dick who's apart of your social circle."
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Post by Fade on Jul 10, 2017 9:46:01 GMT -5
It still doesn't change why the deviation from how he looked in the comics. They could have made him cowardly, rich, douche-y and still kept what the character looked like. Why such a stark change. Diversity? Alright, well there's a lack of Samoan characters, let's make Aaron Davis Samoan. No. You don't do that. Cause it's stupid. I'm literally the same ethnicity as the kid, and what? I'm supposed to clap like a seal? Cause all I can do is think like a logical being and wonder why someone who didn't look like the character has always been portrayed was cast. Saddest thing? That kids a good actor. But terribly miscast. It just came off like a nerd bullying another nerd?...even in Civil War, Peter brings up he could kill it in football, but he doesn't, because that's not him. He's not the athletic, popular, charismatic type....gee. I wonder who that sounds like.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 10, 2017 11:25:27 GMT -5
Ok, we're just nitpicking now when it comes to Flash. The character was an effective bully, and he served his purpose in the storyline.
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