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Post by MrElijah on Mar 4, 2015 8:50:27 GMT -5
Hopefully more and more will come out of the woodwork now and accuse Demott. I reckon we know what happened to Funaki's incriminating pictures. Bill Demott bullied them from him. JTG and Rosa managed to get a few before it happened though. I like to think the photos was Stevie Richards who had them, got jumped by Funaki, then he got pick pocket by JTG who then got swerved by Bill and donuts and somehow Rosa got them.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 4, 2015 9:35:53 GMT -5
I think the thing to remember is that there are those that really weren't bugged by what DeMott does. Doesn't make how he runs thing the right way to do things, but there are certainly a bunch that haven't made a huge deal out of it.
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Post by froggyfrog on Mar 4, 2015 9:48:48 GMT -5
I think the thing to remember is that there are those that really weren't bugged by what DeMott does. Doesn't make how he runs thing the right way to do things, but there are certainly a bunch that haven't made a huge deal out of it. maybe they like the others just don't wanna lose their jobs/make it worse
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Post by Zach on Mar 4, 2015 9:53:35 GMT -5
Here is the thing I don't understand, why doesn't one of these guys just beat DeMott's ass? If I was a jacked up dude and he said that crap to me or did ANY of the stuff these guys are saying he did, I don't care who he works for I would beat the shit out of him.
And I seriously think that is what DeMott WANTS. Watch Tough Enough when Steve Austin is yelling at the guy they called "skidmark". Steve says something to him like "why didn't you tell Bill DeMott to take that nickname and shove it right up his ass?!" Its the same thing with the Bob Holly incident. Holly himself said he was being overly stiff with the kid on Tough Enough because he wanted the kid to be stiff and hit him back...but he just laid there and let Holly beat him up! I almost think DeMott is doing this on purpose just to see who has the balls to stand up to him
I don't agree with anything DeMott has done, but on the other side, these people should have stood up to him instead of crying about it on reddit or whatever. I mean jesus, he's an old, fat, out of shape retired wrestler. He tries to kick me in the nuts, I'm gonna punch him right in his fat face and knock his ass out.
I don't know man, I just hear the story of Hogan getting his leg broke and he didn't cry about it. He came back and became the biggest wrestler of all time. I think a lot of these people complaining are just wussies
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Post by Sephiroth on Mar 4, 2015 10:03:08 GMT -5
Here is the thing I don't understand, why doesn't one of these guys just beat DeMott's ass? If I was a jacked up dude and he said that crap to me or did ANY of the stuff these guys are saying he did, I don't care who he works for I would beat the shit out of him. And I seriously think that is what DeMott WANTS. Watch Tough Enough when Steve Austin is yelling at the guy they called "skidmark". Steve says something to him like "why didn't you tell Bill DeMott to take that nickname and shove it right up his ass?!" Its the same thing with the Bob Holly incident. Holly himself said he was being overly stiff with the kid on Tough Enough because he wanted the kid to be stiff and hit him back...but he just laid there and let Holly beat him up! I almost think DeMott is doing this on purpose just to see who has the balls to stand up to him I don't agree with anything DeMott has done, but on the other side, these people should have stood up to him instead of crying about it on reddit or whatever. I mean jesus, he's an old, fat, out of shape retired wrestler. He tries to kick me in the nuts, I'm gonna punch him right in his fat face and knock his ass out. I don't know man, I just hear the story of Hogan getting his leg broke and he didn't cry about it. He came back and became the biggest wrestler of all time. I think a lot of these people complaining are just wussies Because they don't want to get ejected and never make it to WWE?
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 4, 2015 10:04:24 GMT -5
Here is the thing I don't understand, why doesn't one of these guys just beat DeMott's ass? If I was a jacked up dude and he said that crap to me or did ANY of the stuff these guys are saying he did, I don't care who he works for I would beat the shit out of him. And I seriously think that is what DeMott WANTS. Watch Tough Enough when Steve Austin is yelling at the guy they called "skidmark". Steve says something to him like "why didn't you tell Bill DeMott to take that nickname and shove it right up his ass?!" Its the same thing with the Bob Holly incident. Holly himself said he was being overly stiff with the kid on Tough Enough because he wanted the kid to be stiff and hit him back...but he just laid there and let Holly beat him up! I almost think DeMott is doing this on purpose just to see who has the balls to stand up to him I don't agree with anything DeMott has done, but on the other side, these people should have stood up to him instead of crying about it on reddit or whatever. I mean jesus, he's an old, fat, out of shape retired wrestler. He tries to kick me in the nuts, I'm gonna punch him right in his fat face and knock his ass out. I don't know man, I just hear the story of Hogan getting his leg broke and he didn't cry about it. He came back and became the biggest wrestler of all time. I think a lot of these people complaining are just wussies Because if putting up with DeMott's shit gets their foot into the door of WWE, they are likely to go along with it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 10:05:42 GMT -5
Here is the thing I don't understand, why doesn't one of these guys just beat DeMott's ass? If I was a jacked up dude and he said that crap to me or did ANY of the stuff these guys are saying he did, I don't care who he works for I would beat the shit out of him. And I seriously think that is what DeMott WANTS. Watch Tough Enough when Steve Austin is yelling at the guy they called "skidmark". Steve says something to him like "why didn't you tell Bill DeMott to take that nickname and shove it right up his ass?!" It's easy for Austin to say that when there were multiple viable places to work for almost his entire career. Most wrestlers in NXT don't have an indy following and without making it to the main WWE roster, burning a bridge with WWE would pretty much the end of their career.
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Post by Abdullah on Mar 4, 2015 10:11:44 GMT -5
He also bullied Ivelisse out of WWE. When she finally worked up the courage to speak up against him, they fired her.
It's similarly interesting that EC3, Briley, and Trent all have issues with DeMott and were let go. I perversely wish Bill would try to harass one of the NXT 5. Maybe then Trips and others will finally make the right choice on who'd they let go.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Mar 4, 2015 10:41:31 GMT -5
In pro wrestling today, you can have a successful career without WWE. Ask AJ Styles. Even though we want to think with kayfabe being dead that the whole carny mentality would end, it won't. The wrestling business is still about trust and respect. Separating the wheat from the chaff. Doesn't matter if WWE doesn't work strong style, they still follow the same guidelines that let the strong survive. Wrestlers already know what they are about to get into from hearing stories about developmental from their peers and friends. If someone told you Demott is a sadistic bully and you still join up, don't be shocked to find out first hand about his sadism. Kenny Omega left Deep South because he didn't like Bill's bullshit so it's not like they are helpless to do anything. That whole "If you don't like it, you can just leave!" thing is part of the manipulation. You yourself are blurring together "not being tough or strong enough" with "not being willing to get treated terribly." The WWE knows perfectly well that if they convince their talent that those are the same thing, they can treat them however they want pretty much the whole rest of their careers.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 4, 2015 10:48:59 GMT -5
He also bullied Ivelisse out of WWE. When she finally worked up the courage to speak up against him, they fired her. It's similarly interesting that EC3, Briley, and Trent all have issues with DeMott and were let go. I perversely wish Bill would try to harass one of the NXT 5. Maybe then Trips and others will finally make the right choice on who'd they let go. I thought that HHH's indie pets (I don't mean that as an insult, I just mean that they're the ones who HHH has the most invested in, and everyone knows they're HHH's "boys") were allowed to opt out of Demott's crap in the first place.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Mar 4, 2015 10:51:33 GMT -5
In pro wrestling today, you can have a successful career without WWE. Ask AJ Styles. Even though we want to think with kayfabe being dead that the whole carny mentality would end, it won't. The wrestling business is still about trust and respect. Separating the wheat from the chaff. Doesn't matter if WWE doesn't work strong style, they still follow the same guidelines that let the strong survive. Wrestlers already know what they are about to get into from hearing stories about developmental from their peers and friends. If someone told you Demott is a sadistic bully and you still join up, don't be shocked to find out first hand about his sadism. Kenny Omega left Deep South because he didn't like Bill's bullshit so it's not like they are helpless to do anything. That whole "If you don't like it, you can just leave!" thing is part of the manipulation. You yourself are blurring together "not being tough or strong enough" with "not being willing to get treated terribly." The WWE knows perfectly well that if they convince their talent that those are the same thing, they can treat them however they want pretty much the whole rest of their careers. Then they choose to be manipulated if they stick around even after the bullshit. For every wrestler who say enough is enough and quit like Justin Gabriel there is are 3 Zack Ryders more than willing to suck it up. If you're not willing to take a stand for yourself, don't wait for others to do it on your behalf. WWE is ran by Alphas who are looking for other Alphas and the Betas don't stand a chance.
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Post by Slanted and Enchanted on Mar 4, 2015 11:43:55 GMT -5
I didn't read through this entire thread but this whole old school 'boys will be boys' crap is nonsensical and ironic to me. This old school mentality argument also doesn't make any sense as many of the 'old school' guys are very much up to date with the times. For everyone who has openly complained about DeMott they have also brought up guys like Steamboat, Smiley, and Harley freakin' Race (legitimate old school guys who put posers like DeMott to shame) as kind, sympathetic trainers. The three guys I mentioned accomplished something in their careers and don't have some huge chip on their shoulders the way DeMott does so there's no reason for them to act like bullying pricks. Seriously, get rid of this guy.
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Post by austinariesfan88 on Mar 4, 2015 11:57:03 GMT -5
I can't believe people are trying to justify this. It is one thing to be stiff and try to toughen up your students but to be a nasty bully is unjustifiable. William Regal is down there, why not just get him to train the students, I mean he trained Daniel Bryan who is probably one of the best wrestlers ever.
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Post by Abdullah on Mar 4, 2015 11:59:10 GMT -5
Honestly, Jericho's response is one of the worst things to emerge out of all of this.
We keep saying that the younger generation are an improvement; aren't walking stereotypes of everything you assume a wrestler to be. I'd really like to know how many in the locker room feel that the crap DeMott pulls is perfectly fine. I worry those who do make up the majority and that's the real problem.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Mar 4, 2015 12:14:16 GMT -5
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Mar 4, 2015 12:43:03 GMT -5
So when is DeMott going to start suing?
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 4, 2015 12:55:18 GMT -5
Honestly, Jericho's response is one of the worst things to emerge out of all of this. We keep saying that the younger generation are an improvement; aren't walking stereotypes of everything you assume a wrestler to be. I'd really like to know how many in the locker room feel that the crap DeMott pulls is perfectly fine. I worry those who do make up the majority and that's the real problem. Don't expect a Kinder, Gentler "DIS BUSINESS" until stalwarts from RoH's early 2000s glory years (basically, the first big names to break in after the deaths of the territories, WCW, and ECW left only one major promotion) hit their 40s-50s and start running their own promotions, or navigate their way into power in televised ones.
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Post by DoubleDare on Mar 4, 2015 13:08:04 GMT -5
Didn't jim cornette get fired for slapping someone? yet demott will keep his job even though he drops people on their heads. And no it should not make a difference if a trainer or booker does it.
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Post by BigWill on Mar 4, 2015 13:12:30 GMT -5
Hopefully more and more will come out of the woodwork now and accuse Demott. I reckon we know what happened to Funaki's incriminating pictures. Bill Demott bullied them from him. JTG and Rosa managed to get a few before it happened though. Things have been coming out of the woodwork about Bill Demott for years. This is nothing new, and like all the rest of the accusations, nothing's likely to come out of this one either.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 4, 2015 13:26:40 GMT -5
The problem is that Demott runs developmental Japanese dojo style. Allow me to explain this to those who don't know about that. The tryouts to even get accepted into the dojo consists of some of the harshest, brutal series of calisthenics known to men to weed out the wannabes from serious candidates. The few who survive the ordeal get invited into joining the dojo. Which means they give up the life they had before to move into the dojo and give 100% to training. Everyday consists of SEAL level calisthenics before they even practice the basics. Mental and physical torture are part of the regime. Injuries are the norm. Basic things like sweets and dating are outlawed. The rookies are treated like shit by some veterans and hazed & beaten unmercifully. If a rookie class has 4-6 people, only 2 make it to graduation day. So all of your fave puro and joshi wrestlers went through this torture willingly in hopes of becoming a wrestler. Demott was connected with the Power Plant which was ran dojo style so going HAM on trainees was an everyday thing. He also trained in Japanese dojos so he experienced the brutality first hand. Think of it like this: if a person is abused on a regular basis, the possibility of continuing the cycle is much stronger than someone who never been part of the lifestyle. I know people won't like hearing this but Demott is not the worst trainer in wrestling history. Tojo Yamamoto used to train ex-football players until their bodies shut down on them. Stu Hart loved putting sugar holds on rookies just to hear them scream. Verne Gagne made rookies run miles into the Midwest snow and train in a unheated barn. Moolah pimped out her rookies to men. WWE developmental isn't Club MED but it shouldn't be the Gulag either. Folks heading into developmental have to keep in mind that WWE is going to push them to their limits and beyond while still part of NXT. Bully assholes like Demott are those chosen as trainers because of this. WWE apparently likes his drill instructor mentality because lord knows they could found another head trainer by now. Plus the folks people are naming off as potential head trainers may not want the responsibility of running the entire NXT developmental which right now is 40+ people of varying levels of experience and ability. And the decision to replace Demott rest in the hands of Triple H since the revamped NXT is his baby. Guess the old school vet in Hunter doesn't feel sympathy because a trainee is injured or got insulted. What's the point? Why is he treating them like "Japanese Dojo trainees" when he isn't even teaching thrm to wrestle that way? None of these guys, especially those who are trained from scratch in WWE's developmental system are coming out of developmental anywhere near as good as any puro wrestler (or even a "faux strong style" guy like the RoH Clones). The reason we throw out names like Regal, etc. is Because those guys could reach these kids the little things that made them what they are and they'd be better workers for it instead of the generic piles of suck that we mock, insult and sometimes pity them for being.
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