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Post by ________ has left the building on Mar 4, 2015 14:30:22 GMT -5
The problem is that Demott runs developmental Japanese dojo style. Allow me to explain this to those who don't know about that. The tryouts to even get accepted into the dojo consists of some of the harshest, brutal series of calisthenics known to men to weed out the wannabes from serious candidates. The few who survive the ordeal get invited into joining the dojo. Which means they give up the life they had before to move into the dojo and give 100% to training. Everyday consists of SEAL level calisthenics before they even practice the basics. Mental and physical torture are part of the regime. Injuries are the norm. Basic things like sweets and dating are outlawed. The rookies are treated like shit by some veterans and hazed & beaten unmercifully. If a rookie class has 4-6 people, only 2 make it to graduation day. So all of your fave puro and joshi wrestlers went through this torture willingly in hopes of becoming a wrestler. Demott was connected with the Power Plant which was ran dojo style so going HAM on trainees was an everyday thing. He also trained in Japanese dojos so he experienced the brutality first hand. Think of it like this: if a person is abused on a regular basis, the possibility of continuing the cycle is much stronger than someone who never been part of the lifestyle. I know people won't like hearing this but Demott is not the worst trainer in wrestling history. Tojo Yamamoto used to train ex-football players until their bodies shut down on them. Stu Hart loved putting sugar holds on rookies just to hear them scream. Verne Gagne made rookies run miles into the Midwest snow and train in a unheated barn. Moolah pimped out her rookies to men. WWE developmental isn't Club MED but it shouldn't be the Gulag either. Folks heading into developmental have to keep in mind that WWE is going to push them to their limits and beyond while still part of NXT. Bully assholes like Demott are those chosen as trainers because of this. WWE apparently likes his drill instructor mentality because lord knows they could found another head trainer by now. Plus the folks people are naming off as potential head trainers may not want the responsibility of running the entire NXT developmental which right now is 40+ people of varying levels of experience and ability. And the decision to replace Demott rest in the hands of Triple H since the revamped NXT is his baby. Guess the old school vet in Hunter doesn't feel sympathy because a trainee is injured or got insulted. What's the point? Why is he treating them like "Japanese Dojo trainees" when he isn't even teaching thrm to wrestle that way? None of these guys, especially those who are trained from scratch in WWE's developmental system are coming out of developmental anywhere near as good as any puro wrestler (or even a "faux strong style" guy like the RoH Clones). The reason we throw out names like Regal, etc. is Because those guys could reach these kids the little things that made them what they are and they'd be better workers for it instead of the generic piles of suck that we mock, insult and sometimes pity them for being. It's not about the style. In Demott's mind and apparently WWE's, that type of discipline works for them. WWE isn't training them to do puroresu exclusively but do have trainers with that experience who pass on that knowledge. WWE teaches them the style that work for their system just like New Japan does for their trainees and CMLL does with their's. I know that folks got nerd boners for NJPW currently but it takes a while before any of their young boys make names for themselves and/or start to show promise. The same for a WWE/NXT produced wrestler. As I said, I'm sure Hunter probably asked Regal to take over but got turned down. I know Lance Storm turned it down because he didn't want to relocate. Demott only got the job because WWE didn't like the job Steve Keirn was doing and brought him back even after the Deep South fiasco. NXT is more than the wrestlers we see on the show. There are tons of folks we probably will never see who will quietly disappear before anyone noticed they existed. The trainers they got now are the best lineup WWE ever had in developmental. And being trained by a good to great wrestler doesn't mean all the wrestlers trained by that person turn out that why. A number of current standouts got trained by relative unknowns while famous trainers had more washouts. But this thread is about Bill Demott being an asshole who still in charge and allowed a bully pulpit in spite of charges claimed.
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Post by FAR5222 on Mar 4, 2015 14:32:53 GMT -5
For anyone who can't see Jericho's response since the douche deleted it. I guess he couldn't handle what he probably thinks are negative tweets about this situation. Good thing WWE.com has this hilarious stupid feature on their superstars pages that shows all tweets even deleted ones.
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 4, 2015 14:39:34 GMT -5
Who has DeMott trained who wasn't a fully capable wrestler before they even got to NXT?
When he trains a star from scratch, then I might be impressed.
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Mar 4, 2015 14:44:13 GMT -5
I wonder what Darren Young thinks about working for a company that apparently has no issue with an employee continually using the word "faggot" and not facing any sort of discipline whatsoever.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Mar 4, 2015 14:44:35 GMT -5
Jericho opened his exorbitantly expensive Jerijaw and stuck his immensely expensive Jeritoes in his massively expensive Jerithroat.
Won't someone think of the Jerichildren?
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Mar 4, 2015 14:47:09 GMT -5
Jericho opened his exorbitantly expensive Jerijaw and stuck his immensely expensive Jeritoes in his massively expensive Jerithroat. Won't someone think of the Jerichildren? I really don't fault Jericho for sticking up for a friend even if his friend is in the wrong. That's sort of admirable. I do fault Jericho for being friends with someone like DeMott if even 10 percent of what people say is true.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Mar 4, 2015 14:53:10 GMT -5
Who has DeMott trained who wasn't a fully capable wrestler before they even got to NXT? When he trains a star from scratch, then I might be impressed. Define fully capable. Because by the time he took over FCW before it became NXT, Steve Keirn was in charge of training along with Norman Smiley, Dusty Rhodes, and Steve Madison. The WWE wrestlers we seen the last 5 years are products of that system. And unless they came from nowhere, almost half of the trainees trained and wrestled somewhere else before coming to NXT. The folks who are making public grievances are people who fall on that spectrum. Alexa Bliss is homegrown under the Demott system though I seriously doubt he trained her exclusively.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Mar 4, 2015 14:57:12 GMT -5
It's one thing to insult your rookies and try to mentally break them; it's another to intentionally aggravate a pre-existing injury, put them in dangerous situations, or kick guys in the junk just for fun.
I hope that if this stuff is truly going on then more guys come out about it. Between EC3, Briley, and now Devlin, surely there's enough potential evidence out there for something to be done. Especially considering how many people have been released who no doubt experienced it.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Mar 4, 2015 15:01:39 GMT -5
You just know that Demott loves this attention. I mean, what was his biggest accomplishment before getting publicity for being an asshole? Being number one in Goldberg's streak?
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Post by Dub H on Mar 4, 2015 15:10:03 GMT -5
Reading the story ,and the TE where he was part.
The guy really likes to find one especific person(Enzo, And the guy from TE) and just be ass to them for no reason.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 4, 2015 15:10:56 GMT -5
Who has DeMott trained who wasn't a fully capable wrestler before they even got to NXT? When he trains a star from scratch, then I might be impressed. Define fully capable. Because by the time he took over FCW before it became NXT, Steve Keirn was in charge of training along with Norman Smiley, Dusty Rhodes, and Steve Madison. The WWE wrestlers we seen the last 5 years are products of that system. And unless they came from nowhere, almost half of the trainees trained and wrestled somewhere else before coming to NXT. The folks who are making public grievances are people who fall on that spectrum. Alexa Bliss is homegrown under the Demott system though I seriously doubt he trained her exclusively. Steve Kiern may not have done a good job, but that doesn't mean DeMott is better. I want to see a "homegrown" wrestler grow into a wrestling machine under DeMott's system and I have zero faith that will ever happen; the WWE system in general as it is seems more like an albatross to wrestlers than any benefit. The fact that we see many homegrown guys marginalized or written off in favor of more indy/international talents only proves it. It's just that the company chooses to pass the buck on the talent rather than looking in the mirror and seeing that their ways are broken and making an effort to correct them. The fact that DeMott is a bully should show them that he has no redeeming value and should be the justification for giving him the axe, or at least demoting him to a fluff job where he can't be a detriment.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 4, 2015 15:44:50 GMT -5
I want to see a "homegrown" wrestler grow into a wrestling machine under DeMott's system and I have zero faith that will ever happen; WWE doesn't WANT their "homegrown" prospects to develop into "wrestling machine"s. They want them to develop into a guy who can do 20 minute promos and barely passably perform in a "main event style", "hard camera style" match.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 4, 2015 15:54:42 GMT -5
I want to see a "homegrown" wrestler grow into a wrestling machine under DeMott's system and I have zero faith that will ever happen; WWE doesn't WANT their "homegrown" prospects to develop into "wrestling machine"s. They want them to develop into a guy who can do 20 minute promos and barely passably perform in a "main event style", "hard camera style" match. Well they'd better change their ways. It does no good when their "homegrown" guys are crapped on because they're being pushed over better guys, they stumble clumsily around the ring, or they fall through the cracks despite having all the potential in the world and the fanbase ends up split between thinking they're worthless pieces of shit who add no value to the wrestling business or underrated diamonds in the rough. The WWE is the "best" wrestling compant in the world, so their workers should be the "best" in the world. Yet they aren't respected because the general perception is that they "can't wrestle their way out of a paper bag" and they don't have the "street cred" that indy workers do.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Mar 4, 2015 16:00:25 GMT -5
Define fully capable. Because by the time he took over FCW before it became NXT, Steve Keirn was in charge of training along with Norman Smiley, Dusty Rhodes, and Steve Madison. The WWE wrestlers we seen the last 5 years are products of that system. And unless they came from nowhere, almost half of the trainees trained and wrestled somewhere else before coming to NXT. The folks who are making public grievances are people who fall on that spectrum. Alexa Bliss is homegrown under the Demott system though I seriously doubt he trained her exclusively. Steve Kiern may not have done a good job, but that doesn't mean DeMott is better. I want to see a "homegrown" wrestler grow into a wrestling machine under DeMott's system and I have zero faith that will ever happen; the WWE system in general as it is seems more like an albatross to wrestlers than any benefit. The fact that we see many homegrown guys marginalized or written off in favor of more indy/international talents only proves it. It's just that the company chooses to pass the buck on the talent rather than looking in the mirror and seeing that their ways are broken and making an effort to correct them. The fact that DeMott is a bully should show them that he has no redeeming value and should be the justification for giving him the axe, or at least demoting him to a fluff job where he can't be a detriment. The WWE style is not bad as people make it out to be. Take EC3 for example. Not a good wrestler before joining FCW. Trains under the system and start to look a star. Fired before he could make real headways in WWE. Now in TNA and comes off as a big star there due to that previous training. Wes Brisco was touted as a blue chipper. But watching his work post WWE shows that was a lie. Same for Rob Terry. Big name free agent signings get the spotlight because NXT is trying to sell network subscriptions and fans on the Net rather see them instead of a former NFL player. We haven't seen a NXT person become a wrestling machine because it takes a while before someone becomes that with few exceptions like Kurt Angle. People want instant greatness and get mad when it doesn't happen. Hideo Itami is still learning the WWE style yet some already declaring him disappointing because he not wrestling like he did as KENTA.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 4, 2015 16:00:38 GMT -5
WWE doesn't WANT their "homegrown" prospects to develop into "wrestling machine"s. They want them to develop into a guy who can do 20 minute promos and barely passably perform in a "main event style", "hard camera style" match. Well they'd better change their ways. It does no good when their "homegrown" guys are crapped on because they're being pushed over better guys, they stumble clumsily around the ring, or they fall through the cracks despite having all the potential in the world and the fanbase ends up split between thinking they're worthless pieces of shit who add no value to the wrestling business or underrated diamonds in the rough. The WWE is the "best" wrestling compant in the world, so their workers should be the "best" in the world. Yet they aren't respected because the general perception is that they "can't wrestle their way out of a paper bag" and they don't have the "street cred" that indy workers do. They're going to have to do away with the "Hard Camera" style if homegrown prospects are ever going to be any good. Experienced wrestlers can adapt to it because they're already experienced. Ones starting from a raw zero can't.
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Post by Essential1 on Mar 4, 2015 16:02:52 GMT -5
Look up Asswipe in the dictionary and you see a picture of Bill Demott.
This is no laughing matter, Hugh Morrus.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 4, 2015 16:07:06 GMT -5
Steve Kiern may not have done a good job, but that doesn't mean DeMott is better. I want to see a "homegrown" wrestler grow into a wrestling machine under DeMott's system and I have zero faith that will ever happen; the WWE system in general as it is seems more like an albatross to wrestlers than any benefit. The fact that we see many homegrown guys marginalized or written off in favor of more indy/international talents only proves it. It's just that the company chooses to pass the buck on the talent rather than looking in the mirror and seeing that their ways are broken and making an effort to correct them. The fact that DeMott is a bully should show them that he has no redeeming value and should be the justification for giving him the axe, or at least demoting him to a fluff job where he can't be a detriment. The WWE style is not bad as people make it out to be. Take EC3 for example. Not a good wrestler before joining FCW. Trains under the system and start to look a star. Fired before he could make real headways in WWE. Now in TNA and comes off as a big star there due to that previous training. Wes Brisco was touted as a blue chipper. But watching his work post WWE shows that was a lie. Same for Rob Terry. Big name free agent signings get the spotlight because NXT is trying to sell network subscriptions and fans on the Net rather see them instead of a former NFL player. We haven't seen a NXT person become a wrestling machine because it takes a while before someone becomes that with few exceptions like Kurt Angle. People want instant greatness and get mad when it doesn't happen. Hideo Itami is still learning the WWE style yet some already declaring him disappointing because he not wrestling like he did as KENTA. EC3 is a star in TNA because TNA gave him the chance to be a star that WWE didn't. He's one of the few things that TNA did right. Hell, the guy just spoke out against DeMott, so I'm sure he doesn't feel he owes any of his success to him. You know who gets mad when instant greatness doesn't happen? The company themselves. Otherwise Derrick Bateman would still Be employed. And yes Hideo Itami is a disappointment because they aren't letting him be what he could be. Now I'm not saying he needs to kick people's faces into the back row, but the Wrestler Formerly Known as KENTA should be the biggest example of how the WWE style limits people.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 4, 2015 16:07:33 GMT -5
Look up Asswipe in the dictionary and you see a picture of Bill Demott. This is no laughing matter, Hugh Morrus. Beating up guys who won't hit back for fear of losing their jobs tends to give him in general (a) Hugh G Rection.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Mar 4, 2015 16:21:03 GMT -5
The WWE style is not bad as people make it out to be. Take EC3 for example. Not a good wrestler before joining FCW. Trains under the system and start to look a star. Fired before he could make real headways in WWE. Now in TNA and comes off as a big star there due to that previous training. Wes Brisco was touted as a blue chipper. But watching his work post WWE shows that was a lie. Same for Rob Terry. Big name free agent signings get the spotlight because NXT is trying to sell network subscriptions and fans on the Net rather see them instead of a former NFL player. We haven't seen a NXT person become a wrestling machine because it takes a while before someone becomes that with few exceptions like Kurt Angle. People want instant greatness and get mad when it doesn't happen. Hideo Itami is still learning the WWE style yet some already declaring him disappointing because he not wrestling like he did as KENTA. EC3 is a star in TNA because TNA gave him the chance to be a star that WWE didn't. He's one of the few things that TNA did right. Hell, the guy just spoke out against DeMott, so I'm sure he doesn't feel he owes any of his success to him. You know who gets mad when instant greatness doesn't happen? The company themselves. Otherwise Derrick Bateman would still Be employed. And yes Hideo Itami is a disappointment because they aren't letting him be what he could be. Now I'm not saying he needs to kick people's faces into the back row, but the Wrestler Formerly Known as KENTA should be the biggest example of how the WWE style limits people. I said that EC3 didn't get a chance to be a star in WWE but is doing that in TNA. He got his training under the Keirn system. WWE tends to fire the lower 5% of the trainees whenever they hire new people. At the time, he was in that percentile. He got dropped because WWE management mainly Triple H didn't see him as keeping up with the pack. WWE isn't going to let Hideo stiff kick the shit out of everyone. He's learning a new style and how to work the hard cam. It takes people a while to learn that. Except he's doing his on the job training on NXT tv.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Mar 4, 2015 16:33:40 GMT -5
They should develop her, I know that she is old for a women in wwe standards, but she has a natural charisma that helps a lot. her wrestling and mic skills maybe are not grea but that hasn't stopped the WWE before
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