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Post by JTG Fan on Mar 8, 2015 0:45:14 GMT -5
And there should be a specific category for guys pushed too hard, too fast who then got a lot better...and never got any sort of second chance to be effective. Chris Masters, Drew McIntyre, an Vladimir Kozlov come to mind.
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Post by Starshine on Mar 8, 2015 1:20:57 GMT -5
Ezekiel Jackson in 2011.
He breaks away from the Corre after being booked pretty strong, including slamming the Big Show a few times. Then he win the IC Title from Barrett and immediately becomes a huge jobber who only wins when his title's on the line. He loses the title to Rhodes in short order, and following that I don't think ever won a match again. A few months later he was squashed David Otunga in under 2 minutes twice in one week.
I don't really remember another case of a guy that big becoming a jobber in such short order.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 8, 2015 1:26:01 GMT -5
Ezekiel Jackson in 2011. He breaks away from the Corre after being booked pretty strong, including slamming the Big Show a few times. Then he win the IC Title from Barrett and immediately becomes a huge jobber who only wins when his title's on the line. He loses the title to Rhodes in short order, and following that I don't think ever won a match again. A few months later he was squashed David Otunga in under 2 minutes twice in one week. I don't really remember another case of a guy that big becoming a jobber in such short order. All I remember about Zeke in the ring was he had a match where basically all he did were body slams.... I remember more of his none wrestling stuff... like reading Dr. Seuss while THE Brian Kendrick was talking about the Art of War.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Mar 8, 2015 1:32:18 GMT -5
Muhammad Hassan
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Post by blackmegaman on Mar 8, 2015 1:47:34 GMT -5
And there should be a specific category for guys pushed too hard, too fast who then got a lot better...and never got any sort of second chance to be effective. Chris Masters, Drew McIntyre, an Vladimir Kozlov come to mind. I know this ex. is totally different because it happened years later in a different company , but if only when they gave Bubba Ray the singles push in 2002 he was in Bully Ray shape/performance level he would have been a major player.
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Post by Georgina's Fancy Water on Mar 8, 2015 1:53:28 GMT -5
Ezekiel Jackson in 2011. He breaks away from the Corre after being booked pretty strong, including slamming the Big Show a few times. Then he win the IC Title from Barrett and immediately becomes a huge jobber who only wins when his title's on the line. He loses the title to Rhodes in short order, and following that I don't think ever won a match again. A few months later he was squashed David Otunga in under 2 minutes twice in one week. I don't really remember another case of a guy that big becoming a jobber in such short order. All I remember about Zeke in the ring was he had a match where basically all he did were body slams.... I remember more of his none wrestling stuff... like reading Dr. Seuss while THE Brian Kendrick was talking about the Art of War. During the time Zeke was getting pushed, my buddy created a drinking game that was pretty simple; drink every time Zeke did a body slam. Long story short, my friend walked in to a tree and this game was never played again.
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Post by the2ndevil on Mar 8, 2015 2:26:43 GMT -5
All I remember about Zeke in the ring was he had a match where basically all he did were body slams.... I remember more of his none wrestling stuff... like reading Dr. Seuss while THE Brian Kendrick was talking about the Art of War. During the time Zeke was getting pushed, my buddy created a drinking game that was pretty simple; drink every time Zeke did a body slam. Long story short, my friend walked in to a tree and this game was never played again. They should film that story and air it every Christmas.
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Post by StormanReigns on Mar 8, 2015 2:39:11 GMT -5
Sheamus is literally the exact opposite of underutilized. No he isn't. Yes he wins a lot, but that's all they really do with him. Stick him in a feud, give it no real time and then he wins. They made him Mr Super Face, and it failed. Failed miserably. He is like Roman Reigns circa 2011
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 8, 2015 2:40:54 GMT -5
No he isn't. Yes he wins a lot, but that's all they really do with him. Stick him in a feud, give it no real time and then he wins. They made him Mr Super Face, and it failed. Failed miserably. He is like Roman Reigns circa 2011 People wanted Sheamus as a Super Face. They didn't want him as a smiley jokey LOLBROGUEKICK guy.
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Post by StormanReigns on Mar 8, 2015 2:54:16 GMT -5
They made him Mr Super Face, and it failed. Failed miserably. He is like Roman Reigns circa 2011 People wanted Sheamus as a Super Face. They didn't want him as a smiley jokey LOLBROGUEKICK guy. By "people" do you mean Vince? Because he was never remotly cheered when he was the badass character as a heel.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 8, 2015 4:39:53 GMT -5
People wanted Sheamus as a Super Face. They didn't want him as a smiley jokey LOLBROGUEKICK guy. By "people" do you mean Vince? Because he was never remotly cheered when he was the badass character as a heel. I thought he was switched simply because he was bullied as a kid and therefore made a good face for the Be a Star program?
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Post by King Devitt on Mar 8, 2015 5:32:46 GMT -5
Sheamus is literally the exact opposite of underutilized. Sheamus' entire face run consisted of non-feud after non-feud. But he was still being utilized and presented as Irish-Cena. Hell they handed him Bryan on a platter in 18 seconds in a backfired attempt to get him over. That's how highly they thought of this character. They would never give Sheamus to Bryan in 18 seconds at Wrestlemania. Think about that, then think about how "underutilized" Sheamus has been.
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Mar 8, 2015 5:36:04 GMT -5
Zack Ryder, After all he does to save a girl from her attacker, he gets pushed off the ramp while he is on a wheelchair. Gif or it didn't happen.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Mar 8, 2015 5:45:31 GMT -5
If we're just talking guys on the rise and not unceremoniously moved out of a main spot, then Cesaro is one of the stranger cases in some time. Great worker, attractive/clean cut look, had a fun move that people were getting behind, and could easily be presented and believed as an athletic hoss. Much like Bryan I've never really read a bad word about the guy IRL or as a backstage politician, I know that's not always all you can go by but it's at least something. He's one-half of the tag team champions now and is in a better spot than in previous months, but there's no argument I'm willing to take seriously as to why he shouldn't have been a top babyface in the mid-card scene for the past year, instead of all the really obnoxious ways in which they used him (most notably helping The Authority troll Team Cena and the audience by teasing that he would join them). Christian in 2005 is another example. He was becoming one of the more entertaining and over characters in the mid-card, and never ascended to main event status in WWE (I see you, New Generation Project Podcast!) other than one brief moment years later. i was so giddyhappy one year ago when both were featured in the WHW title Elimination Chamber match and hoped this would be their introduction to INTERACTION with the main event scene but...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2015 5:50:17 GMT -5
Sheamus, Swagger, and Cesaro. Big, powerful hosses (which Vince loves), but they can all 3 hold their own in the ring, and in the case of Sheamus and Cesaro, aren't even bad promos. All 3 can work a very strong style that suspends your disbelief. Seriously, you're paying them.. why not get your money's worth? Sheamus keeps getting injured. Swagger makes poor personal choices. Cesaro is somehow "too Swiss". To be fair, Sheamus has had his runs, he just seems injury prone. Swagger had his chance and totally blew it like a moron. Cesaro is the one we should feel for here. He's the one who needs the damn push already.
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Post by Woo on Mar 8, 2015 5:52:31 GMT -5
Christian in 2005 and Kofi Kingston in 2009's depush still make me furious.
Kofi could have been massive. His reaction at the 09 SSeries was that of a superstar. I honestly would have pushed him to the moon, had him win the Rumble and maybe even the belt at Mania.
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Mar 8, 2015 6:06:59 GMT -5
Elijah Burke Christian Cody Rhodes on so many occasions The Brian Kendrick ( though partially his fault) Justin Gabriel (should have been a much bigger deal after Nexus)
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Post by jp49er80 on Mar 8, 2015 6:13:52 GMT -5
Cody Rhodes is the odd one to me. Let him fly.
Cesaro might have still had a chance up to the FOUR ROPES promo. He's dead in the water as Cesaro now.
Big E has gone from a possible big face (in my mind) to the New Day.
Ambrose. Sigh.
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Post by revolver86 on Mar 8, 2015 9:45:42 GMT -5
I really pegged Big E to be the future of the company and they've seemingly gone out of their way to bury the guy and make the fans hate him.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Mar 8, 2015 10:04:21 GMT -5
Sheamus could have been so much more than he is now. He had some major momentum leading up to when he beat Cena for the title. He was pretty much evenly matched and didn't back down from Cena, but he was hungrier than the champ, and won by edging him out in the tables match. But instead, they told a story about how this massive man was a fluke champion, and his momentum was cooled when they had this guy RUN AWAY from the Nexus, yelling for Cena. Then he won king of the ring, wore a goofy crown, and eventually was turned into a jolly irish fella who told stories that his gramps told him.
Zack Ryder - I don't care if you didn't like him, but he worked hard to build up a brand when the company didn't do anything for him and fans took to him. They did everything to deter the fans, including keeping him off of tv and shows that were in Long island/MSG. They eventually gave in and put him on tv, but he lost all of the time, which still didn't deter the fans from chanting "WE WANT RYDER". Then they decided to do something with him, gave him the U.S. title, and he went from top of the world to the gutter in a month's time. And don't blame that promo, it was almost immediate that they took the belt off of him, took his girl away, and pushed him off of the ramp. There was no revenge on Kane, no revenge on Cena for stealing his girl, and all he got was a kick in the crotch from Eve and then proceeded to be removed from tv.
Hart Dynasty could have revitalized the tag division, but they fell out of love with them after Bret left and released Harry Smith.
Cody Rhodes is just baffling to me.They like him, but his pushes have started and stopped more than a Bob "Sparky" Plugg race car.
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