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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 22:49:17 GMT -5
Sometimes guys get demoted hardcore, and they deserve it. Others... circumstances and petty politics make a career DOA.
These are their stories.
Seriously, though, three names come to mind that I just don't understand why they aren't being used better.
Sheamus, Swagger, and Cesaro. Big, powerful hosses (which Vince loves), but they can all 3 hold their own in the ring, and in the case of Sheamus and Cesaro, aren't even bad promos. All 3 can work a very strong style that suspends your disbelief.
Seriously, you're paying them.. why not get your money's worth?
Who are other stars who got illogically killed pushes?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 7, 2015 22:50:15 GMT -5
How much time have you got? You could be here for weeks getting your list.  |
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Post by Georgina's Fancy Water on Mar 7, 2015 22:55:43 GMT -5
Sheamus is literally the exact opposite of underutilized.
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Mar 7, 2015 23:04:32 GMT -5
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Post by freeze Austin on Mar 7, 2015 23:07:03 GMT -5
Everyone that feuded with Triple H in the early-mid 2000s.
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Post by Some Guy on Mar 7, 2015 23:08:12 GMT -5
Sheamus is literally the exact opposite of underutilized. No he isn't. Yes he wins a lot, but that's all they really do with him. Stick him in a feud, give it no real time and then he wins. |
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Post by blackmegaman on Mar 7, 2015 23:12:37 GMT -5
Sheamus is literally the exact opposite of underutilized. No he isn't. Yes he wins a lot, but that's all they really do with him. Stick him in a feud, give it no real time and then he wins. It was pretty much the same spot Mysterio was in from 07-12 . |
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Post by xCompackx on Mar 7, 2015 23:15:39 GMT -5
I would actually say that it's rare for someone to truly deserve their push being taken away. It's bullshit to punish guys on screen when there's better ways to go about it.
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Post by Georgina's Fancy Water on Mar 7, 2015 23:21:12 GMT -5
Sheamus is literally the exact opposite of underutilized. No he isn't. Yes he wins a lot, but that's all they really do with him. Stick him in a feud, give it no real time and then he wins. He's on TV constantly when he isn't injured, rarely ever loses, is always presented as a main event level guy, and has been pushed to the moon several times. Sheamus isn't exactly in a bad position. |
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Post by gr1990 on Mar 7, 2015 23:27:24 GMT -5
No he isn't. Yes he wins a lot, but that's all they really do with him. Stick him in a feud, give it no real time and then he wins. He's on TV constantly when he isn't injured, rarely ever loses, is always presented as a main event level guy, and has been pushed to the moon several times. Sheamus isn't exactly in a bad position. He's not in a bad position, but having such a stale character and predictable booking has killed his overness dead, and people groan every time he shows up, even though he's always good to great in the ring and pretty decent at promos. It's just someone decided they must always be some variation on 'hey fella, I'm gonna kick your arse then go for a pint,' as if people will forget he's Irish otherwise. It speaks volumes for WWE's terrible booking when they can make talented performers like Sheamus and del Rio seem like the worst thing ever by having them do the exact same thing week-in, week-out for years. |
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Post by Georgina's Fancy Water on Mar 7, 2015 23:32:41 GMT -5
He's on TV constantly when he isn't injured, rarely ever loses, is always presented as a main event level guy, and has been pushed to the moon several times. Sheamus isn't exactly in a bad position. He's not in a bad position, but having such a stale character and predictable booking has killed his overness dead, and people groan every time he shows up, even though he's always good to great in the ring and pretty decent at promos. It's just someone decided they must always be some variation on 'hey fella, I'm gonna kick your arse then go for a pint,' as if people will forget he's Irish otherwise. It speaks volumes for WWE's terrible booking when they can make talented performers like Sheamus and del Rio seem like the worst thing ever by having them do the exact same thing week-in, week-out for years. And I agree completely! I'm just saying that you can't really call him someone that's underutilized when he's been overexposed to the point of death in recent years. |
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Mar 7, 2015 23:35:16 GMT -5
Bryan every time it happens. He's a company guy and according to every account a wonderfully nice person. Why you'd ever kill his momentum is baffling.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 7, 2015 23:36:51 GMT -5
Sheamus is literally the exact opposite of underutilized. Sheamus' entire face run consisted of non-feud after non-feud. |
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Post by Cela on Mar 7, 2015 23:40:02 GMT -5
Riley. Massively over, on the midst of a decent escape storyline against Miz, jobbed out for who knows what reason.
Ryder. Got over on his own, sacrificed to give f***ing Cena of all people a slight boost.
Kofi. Main event shot destroyed because unlimited chances depot Orton got huffy.
Shelton. Always put on a good match, willing to do any spot, and down he goes.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 7, 2015 23:40:57 GMT -5
Bryan every time it happens. He's a company guy and according to every account a wonderfully nice person. Why you'd ever kill his momentum is baffling. Being a company guy and wonderfully nice is probably a big factor. I'd assume his concern about/desire to keep his main event spot is almost exactly completely inverse to our concern about/desire for him to keep his main event spot. |
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Post by Magician under the moonlight on Mar 8, 2015 0:10:08 GMT -5
Zack Ryder,
After all he does to save a girl from her attacker, he gets pushed off the ramp while he is on a wheelchair.
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Post by freeze Austin on Mar 8, 2015 0:14:54 GMT -5
If we're just talking guys on the rise and not unceremoniously moved out of a main spot, then Cesaro is one of the stranger cases in some time. Great worker, attractive/clean cut look, had a fun move that people were getting behind, and could easily be presented and believed as an athletic hoss. Much like Bryan I've never really read a bad word about the guy IRL or as a backstage politician, I know that's not always all you can go by but it's at least something. He's one-half of the tag team champions now and is in a better spot than in previous months, but there's no argument I'm willing to take seriously as to why he shouldn't have been a top babyface in the mid-card scene for the past year, instead of all the really obnoxious ways in which they used him (most notably helping The Authority troll Team Cena and the audience by teasing that he would join them).
Christian in 2005 is another example. He was becoming one of the more entertaining and over characters in the mid-card, and never ascended to main event status in WWE (I see you, New Generation Project Podcast!) other than one brief moment years later.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 8, 2015 0:21:06 GMT -5
Christian in 2005 is another example. He was becoming one of the more entertaining and over characters in the mid-card, and never ascended to main event status in WWE (I see you, New Generation Project Podcast!) other than one brief moment years later. I believe that Christian not getting his due in 2005 is one of the main reasons that people turned against Cena the way they did, in much the same way people have turned against Reigns because of how they've handled Bryan. A lot of Christian's momentum came from the rivalry he was having with Cena (dating back to the "Tomko, gimme a beat" rap he put on Cena at the Royal Rumble), and then when Cena got drafted to RAW... they never did anything with it. Christian became the fourth wheel in a Cena/Jericho/Bischoff feud and got drafted away to SmackDown. |
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Post by JTG Fan on Mar 8, 2015 0:36:03 GMT -5
Citing the Swagger weed incident is kind of a copout, IMO. We have no idea how backstage attitude or anything like that may have factored in, but Swagger looked like he would be a big deal, fairly quickly early in 2009 as ECW Champion as he adapted very fast to WWE style like amateurs Angle and Lesnar before him, had a solid but poorly booked run as World Champion in mid 2010, and then was just another guy in the midcard until the early 2013 push. I'd argue he had already been wasted by the time he got pulled over shortly after his Elimination Chamber win.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2015 0:42:23 GMT -5
Bryan every time it happens. He's a company guy and according to every account a wonderfully nice person. Why you'd ever kill his momentum is baffling. Because short guys with no muscles doesn't get the Old Man's grapefruits tingling. |
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