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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2015 16:03:53 GMT -5
It is like the Super Bowl last football game of the year; if it isn't appealing, I watch Puppies instead.
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Post by Ruthless Pessimism on Mar 8, 2015 16:06:23 GMT -5
When fans start arguing that the Browns are never utilized properly and they deserve a SB main event because of all the years their guys worked semi-pro teams, while teams like the Patriots and Steelers only get the main event because of the way their jerseys look...then it will be like the WWE. The trolling is weak here. Fans are pissed because the people who've carried the show all year, the people who they invest interest in(you know the actual goal of wrestling, not the win/loss aspect) are left out. It would be more like the NFL pulled the starting quarterbacks from each team and let them play special teams and replaced them with Favre and Montana because that's the epic showdown decades in the making. No trolling at all.
When the big game comes around, your favorite might be on the bench because the team wants to run a different option. Do you boo the team because your guy isn't starting or do you still watch the game in the hopes it will be interesting? If you've already decided you won't like the show before you've seen anything, you might as well turn the game off.
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Post by mysterydriver on Mar 8, 2015 16:30:35 GMT -5
The Superbowl doesn't charge me $9.99 and claim it's a good deal because I can go back and watch the older Superbowls and "Didn't you really like those?! IT'S SUCH A GREAT DEAL!".
The Superbowl does possess enough national attention that advertisers bring their best kid killing efforts in the commercials.
The Superbowl has horrible commentators who actually talk about what's happening instead of horrible commentators who talk about twerking and twitter.
The Superbowl teams usually have at least one or two players who can personally root for or against depending the well developed stories played out through the media during the weeks of pre-game hype that makes you root beyond them being good players. The WWE usually have one or two wrestlers who I can personally root for in spite of poorly developed stories bashed on on weekly shows simply because they're good wrestlers.
...I don't know about this comparison.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Mar 8, 2015 16:45:33 GMT -5
The trolling is weak here. Fans are pissed because the people who've carried the show all year, the people who they invest interest in(you know the actual goal of wrestling, not the win/loss aspect) are left out. It would be more like the NFL pulled the starting quarterbacks from each team and let them play special teams and replaced them with Favre and Montana because that's the epic showdown decades in the making. No trolling at all.
When the big game comes around, your favorite might be on the bench because the team wants to run a different option. Do you boo the team because your guy isn't starting or do you still watch the game in the hopes it will be interesting? If you've already decided you won't like the show before you've seen anything, you might as well turn the game off.
It was such troll bait. You compared the fans wants to a perennial loser who finished last in their division. Not a good team that didn't quite make it. Not a winning player replaced for different strategy reasons. You straw manned your argument because no amount of rationalizing can justify the Browns in the Superbowl. If you think the guy who headlined last year's mania and was the most over guy every time he was on screen and many times when not, can't be justified as more worthy then the Browns, I don't think logic will work with you.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2015 16:51:07 GMT -5
JR is an idiot. No surprise here.
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Mar 8, 2015 16:51:50 GMT -5
Why the hell would I pay money for a show I have no interest in?
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Post by MrElijah on Mar 8, 2015 17:12:44 GMT -5
I like JR but it's different. In sport the best/luckiest team wins and there's nothing you can do when your team is knocked out but watch on. If youre a mark in wrestling this is fine but most of us arnt and we know Reigns was picked more than a year ago to compete in this "final". People are bummed out that we get robbed of having someone in that position who is more deserving and more entertaining to a vast portion of the audience. It would be like if the NFL created a new team who's whole deal was that they were handsome badasses who were loved by girls and were unbeatable and the NFL had already decided that they would be in next year's Super Bowl, people would naturally be disgruntled if a there was a hard working, historically well liked underdog team who deserved a shot only to be shunned just because they wernt perceived to be as marketable by the corporate big wigs who ran the sport. So basically the 2002 NBA Western Conference Finals? But the Rock will come back when the Lakers beat the Kings in May!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2015 17:15:30 GMT -5
Wrestlemania hasn't been the super bowl for years. WWE SAYS it is, it isn't. We've had consistently boring Wrestlemanias since, what, mania 21 and 30?
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Post by 4TheGlory on Mar 8, 2015 17:17:10 GMT -5
I am sick of the UFC argument that you buy the show and it could end after a 10 second KO. Completely ignoring the fact its a a lonnnnnnnng show with a card full of fights as well as an entire prelim card that you don't even have to pay for.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Mar 8, 2015 17:18:47 GMT -5
Hey, I'm gonna watch. I'm going to watch until the end. Regardless of what happens, be it some surprise where Brock is sticking around and keeps the title.... if Reigns wins handily... or if the other option of Rollins cashing in at the end and becoming champ... I'll just accept it and enjoy it.
My thing is, I'm having trouble finding reasons to be hyped about this year's Wrestlemania. Yes, it'll be cool to see Sting in a WWE ring... yes, I'm hoping the IC Title match is good... other than that, I just can't get super hyped. What bugs me about that is, it's essentially making Wrestlemania just like any other PPV where I watch it because it's on the Network and I don't have anything else planned. The NXT specials, and yes... I'm gonna compare them to the main roster again, and I feel it's warranted as they're the DEVELOPMENTAL league... I have always looked forward to at least a couple matches on the card... sure there's some filler, but I'm usually anticipating every main event and at least one or two other matches on the card... the WWE has had a year full of "Eh, I'll watch it if I'm around" PPVs including this year's Wrestlemania. NXT has had a year of "I NEED to watch it as it airs, and if I can't... as soon as it's on demand." I can give WWE a bye on that if it's Fast Lane, Breaking Point, Backlash, Extreme Rules, TLC, or whatever.... but I can't when it's the Royal Rumble, Summerslam, or Survivor Series.. and I damn well can't give a bye when it's Wrestlemania.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2015 17:19:07 GMT -5
I am sick of the UFC argument that you buy the show and it could end after a 10 second KO. Completely ignoring the fact its a a lonnnnnnnng show with a car full of fights as well as an entire prelim card that you don't even have to pay for. Yeah I think the only people that say that, are the ones that don't care for UFC anyway. I watch that regularly and their card lasts a long ass time. They've got extra filler recorded in case some weird shit happens with multiple quick knockouts anyway.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Mar 8, 2015 17:46:31 GMT -5
I didn't realise Roger Goddell handpicked the Superbowl participants and completely disregarded whether they are the best two teams or not. Ballgame, Maggle. There is no comparing the two. The Super Bowl features the winningest team from each division and is a free broadcast. WrestleMania is a staged sport where the most popular guy should always headline because they want you to pay to watch. I hate JR's stance on this. The WrestleMania card is shit to me. Why should I watch?
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Mar 8, 2015 18:50:53 GMT -5
If the Super Bowl weren't a party thing some years I wouldn't watch it and I'm a football fan. Since I really don't have many local friends that watch wrestling with me I've been comfortable not watching it if the card sucks. Hell I refused to buy tickets to 29 because I knew I didn't want to see Rock-Cena, Lesnar-HHH and the streak had limited appeal to me which I knew about months before hand when tickets went on sale
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Post by BRV on Mar 8, 2015 19:57:03 GMT -5
Two things:
1. For the people who haven't read what Jim Ross actually wrote and are just going off on their own tangent, here's what was written:
Nothing he says is wrong. WrestleMania is to wrestling as the Super Bowl is to American football. Just because you don't have a team to root for doesn't mean you should cast aside the spectacle and pageantry of it all.
Like I said earlier, if you're a 49ers fan and you don't like either the Patriots or Seahawks, the Super Bowl still provides entertainment on several levels. There's the saccharine pre-game stories of perseverance, the patriotism of the National Anthem, the spectacle of the game itself; hundreds of millions of people watching athletes at the top of their profession performing on the biggest stage imaginable, the comedy provided by the commercials, the entertainment of the halftime show, and the drama of the game's closing moments.
WrestleMania is like that. You're a Daniel Bryan fan and you don't like Roman Reigns or Brock Lensar, but WrestleMania still gives you many different ways to be entertained. There's going to be eight or nine matches on the card, you're bound to enjoy a few of them.
2. It's Super Bowl. Two words.
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Post by Ruthless Pessimism on Mar 8, 2015 20:02:02 GMT -5
No trolling at all.
When the big game comes around, your favorite might be on the bench because the team wants to run a different option. Do you boo the team because your guy isn't starting or do you still watch the game in the hopes it will be interesting? If you've already decided you won't like the show before you've seen anything, you might as well turn the game off.
It was such troll bait. You compared the fans wants to a perennial loser who finished last in their division. Not a good team that didn't quite make it. Not a winning player replaced for different strategy reasons. You straw manned your argument because no amount of rationalizing can justify the Browns in the Superbowl. If you think the guy who headlined last year's mania and was the most over guy every time he was on screen and many times when not, can't be justified as more worthy then the Browns, I don't think logic will work with you. Call it whatever you want. I picked the Browns because they didn't make it to the playoffs and thereby weren't worthy of the SuperBowl that year. Bryan lost at the Rumble and lost again at FastLane. By Kayfabe, he's not worthy of the Mania main event. But everyone complains because Reigns has "the look" the WWE wants. Choose your losing NFL team, the Browns happened to be the first to pop into mind because I'm a Pittsburgh fan.
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Post by Saul Goodman on Mar 8, 2015 21:11:53 GMT -5
People watches the Superbowl even if their team is not in the game because the Superbowl is an unofficial holiday in the US. This years Wrestlemania to me is like Superbowl XLIV. In Superbowl XLIV, The New Orleans Saints faced the Indianapolis Colts, the Colts had a great season in 2009 (14-2), Colts won several Superbowls before Superbowl XLIV. The Colts ( Brock Lesnar) deserved to be in the Superbowl but to me they should have faced my favorite team the Minnesota Vikings (Danial Bryan). In 2009, the Vikings were on fire and they were becoming the most popular football team in the NFL. My dreams were crushed when The Saints beat the Vikings for the NFC championship in overtime. I know Saints fans will get angry that I compared their favorite team to Roman Reigns but I am still angry about this. Colts Vs Vikings would have been a better game than Saints Vs Colts, just like Bryan Vs Lesnar would be a better match than Reigns vs Lesnar. Anyways, I guess that JR is right, because I still watch Superbowl XLIV even if I really hated the Saints that night.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 8, 2015 21:14:50 GMT -5
I am sick of the UFC argument that you buy the show and it could end after a 10 second KO. Completely ignoring the fact its a a lonnnnnnnng show with a card full of fights as well as an entire prelim card that you don't even have to pay for. Besides the fact that Rousey's 13 second submission win was awesome. The rest of the card was entertaining too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2015 21:15:12 GMT -5
This might be one of the dumbest damn comparisons I have ever heard.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Mar 8, 2015 21:18:31 GMT -5
JR's quickly proving himself to be nearly as out of touch as Vince is.
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 8, 2015 21:24:01 GMT -5
The comparison just doesn't work on many levels; not even on the spectacle level since so little about the Super Bowl is actually about the football game being played, or doing anything to celebrate the history of football.
I guess I get it in the sense of "I like the NFL/the WWE, and here's a show in a huge setting with a lot of pageantry, so I'll watch it", but one is pre-determined, a factor that totally effects one's ability to get into the proceedings if one "doesn't have a dog in the race". I can look at Seahawks vs. Broncos or Seahawks vs. Pats and say "I don't really care who wins" because I'm a Giants fan, but the outcome of the game is still not pre-determined, and it's the two teams that won their way in, not two wrestlers who were booked to get in. THAT alone is a great story: the top two teams duke it out for the title in a sport that isn't pre-determined. But when I know it's pre-determined and can basically guess who's going to win months in advance, then you need to blow me away with a much better story than that for me to care if my personal favorite isn't in the main event.
Then again, I tend to think that, as events, the Super Bowl and WrestleMania both tend to suck pretty terribly. NFL-wise, Championship Sunday (NFC and AFC title games) is better, and WWE-wise most years that I've watched SummerSlam is better. World Series and Stanley Cup Playoffs trump all, anyway.
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