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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Mar 8, 2015 23:29:05 GMT -5
It was such troll bait. You compared the fans wants to a perennial loser who finished last in their division. Not a good team that didn't quite make it. Not a winning player replaced for different strategy reasons. You straw manned your argument because no amount of rationalizing can justify the Browns in the Superbowl. If you think the guy who headlined last year's mania and was the most over guy every time he was on screen and many times when not, can't be justified as more worthy then the Browns, I don't think logic will work with you. Call it whatever you want. I picked the Browns because they didn't make it to the playoffs and thereby weren't worthy of the SuperBowl that year. Bryan lost at the Rumble and lost again at FastLane. By Kayfabe, he's not worthy of the Mania main event. But everyone complains because Reigns has "the look" the WWE wants. Choose your losing NFL team, the Browns happened to be the first to pop into mind because I'm a Pittsburgh fan. As has been pointed out you're comparing a predetermined event using non-predetermined event criteria. Yes Reigns won in Kayfabe. That shouldn't have happened either. Kayfabe is dead. Vince shot that dog in the eighties and then dug it up and burnt the corpse throughout the nineties. The Self Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior discredited every one of UW's kayfabe accomplishments so it isn't just the petty fans that do it. Wrestlers are characters meant to draw fans in. Reigns hasn't done that since the Shield broke up. Daniel Bryan did and while he was away Dolph Ziggler and Seth Rollins picked up the slack. Brock wrestled a couple matches all year. Triple H did less, no wrestling all year. Sting did even less than Trips. Undertaker is going to manage to do even less than Sting! So again I say they want fans invested in their product and then take away any reason to invest in it come mania. So it isn't even like your favorite team isn't in it. It would be like bringing the Chicago Bulls to play the New York Yankees and the winner gets to play the LA Starf****rs at the Superbowl and calling the winner one of the best NFL team. Wait who are the LA Starf****rs? Why your new favorite team we are giving to LA. We decided Pittsburg wasn't the market we wanted so we are letting LA take whomever helped Pittsburg, Carolina, Green Bay, Indianapolis into the playoffs. I mean we appreciate that they can win and have fans but there are so many more potential fans in these markets. We aren't going to destroy your teams, don't be a doomsayer, we love you for who you are, you guys each get an extra second round draft pick for each player you lose. And you can still claim conference championships, just don't be thinking that entitles their fans to ruining our biggest spectacle event with their teams. |
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Post by madness50 on Mar 9, 2015 0:55:28 GMT -5
I like JR but it's different. In sport the best/luckiest team wins and there's nothing you can do when your team is knocked out but watch on. If youre a mark in wrestling this is fine but most of us arnt and we know Reigns was picked more than a year ago to compete in this "final". People are bummed out that we get robbed of having someone in that position who is more deserving and more entertaining to a vast portion of the audience. It would be like if the NFL created a new team who's whole deal was that they were handsome badasses who were loved by girls and were unbeatable and the NFL had already decided that they would be in next year's Super Bowl, people would naturally be disgruntled if a there was a hard working, historically well liked underdog team who deserved a shot only to be shunned just because they wernt perceived to be as marketable by the corporate big wigs who ran the sport. So basically the 2002 NBA Western Conference Finals?  As a Laker fan, I have no idea what you are talking about |
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Mar 9, 2015 1:50:38 GMT -5
I don't get it. WWE **** on Jim Ross from the VERY start of his time with the company. Even the NAME "good ol' JR" was given to him as an insult. They insulted him, mercilessly for over a decade. They fired him when he got sick, and brought him back only to insult his illness over and over. They even insulted him, on the air, when he was having colon problems. They FIRED him over that Ric Flair incident that showed the failings of probably a dozen people, none of whom were named Jim Ross (and none of whom were fired), and, to this day, block their contracted talent from appearing on his podcast.
WHY DOES HE KEEP STANDING UP FOR THEM!?!?!
Wrestlemania isn't the Superbowl. The Superbowl is watched by tens of millions of households. The total viewership is something like 100 million people. It is such a huge, can't miss spectacle that 30 seconds of advertising costs MILLIONS of dollars.
Wrestlemania is watched by, what a million households? Just about every prime time program on network TV (and many on cable) command larger audiences. Hell, EVERY episode of Raw and Smackdown draws higher ratings.
It sells out these huge arenas? Yeah. Once per year. Some of the football teams that play at those arenas sell out *nightly*.
Wrestlemania IS the most *expensive* show of the year, though. Or at least it was, prior to the Network. It still has the highest ticket prices. And its attended by the absolute most dedicated fans WWE has. Which is why it is absolutely BAFFLING that they put on a show aimed at casual (or hypothetical) fans.
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Post by Dean-o on Mar 9, 2015 3:16:00 GMT -5
I didn't realise Roger Goddell handpicked the Superbowl participants and completely disregarded whether they are the best two teams or not. Depends on who you ask. |
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Mar 9, 2015 4:59:02 GMT -5
More closely, it is the college football playoff system, pre playoff system where the teams that get to play are selected subjectively through a ranking system
We are getting Alabama V Kansas
In short, f*** Roman Reigns and f*** the Jayhawks
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Post by Andy Martin on Mar 9, 2015 5:12:39 GMT -5
JR's quickly proving himself to be nearly as out of touch as Vince is. He's worse. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 9, 2015 6:46:00 GMT -5
I don't get it. WWE **** on Jim Ross from the VERY start of his time with the company. Even the NAME "good ol' JR" was given to him as an insult. They insulted him, mercilessly for over a decade. They fired him when he got sick, and brought him back only to insult his illness over and over. They even insulted him, on the air, when he was having colon problems. They FIRED him over that Ric Flair incident that showed the failings of probably a dozen people, none of whom were named Jim Ross (and none of whom were fired), and, to this day, block their contracted talent from appearing on his podcast. WHY DOES HE KEEP STANDING UP FOR THEM!?!?! Wrestlemania isn't the Superbowl. The Superbowl is watched by tens of millions of households. The total viewership is something like 100 million people. It is such a huge, can't miss spectacle that 30 seconds of advertising costs MILLIONS of dollars. Wrestlemania is watched by, what a million households? Just about every prime time program on network TV (and many on cable) command larger audiences. Hell, EVERY episode of Raw and Smackdown draws higher ratings. It sells out these huge arenas? Yeah. Once per year. Some of the football teams that play at those arenas sell out *nightly*. Wrestlemania IS the most *expensive* show of the year, though. Or at least it was, prior to the Network. It still has the highest ticket prices. And its attended by the absolute most dedicated fans WWE has. Which is why it is absolutely BAFFLING that they put on a show aimed at casual (or hypothetical) fans. Jim Ross likes money, the WWE have money and won't give Jim Ross money for future projects if he tears into them. He didn't endure indignity after indignity because he had no choice, he has shown he can go do sports commentary without suffering public humiliation and make decent money doing so, but the WWF/E offered him more and gave him the opportunity to become a powerful figure backstage, having say over booking then over talent relations, being the guy that shaped the modern WWE due to his signings from the Attitude era onward. Taking abuse from the company was good for JR's image in many respects, it helped garner sympathy toward him he wouldn't have gotten otherwise, he created an image of himself as a grandfatherly figure and the wronged party in most of his dealings with the WWF/E/Vince that he's using to this day to shill various things when most people who've worked for him think he's an absolute tool, heck, he treated Bischoff so badly in WCW that he bolted as fast as he could when Eric was promoted over his head rather than risk enduring retribution far worse than anything Vince would do to him. |
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 9, 2015 7:22:32 GMT -5
I don't get it. WWE **** on Jim Ross from the VERY start of his time with the company. Even the NAME "good ol' JR" was given to him as an insult. They insulted him, mercilessly for over a decade. They fired him when he got sick, and brought him back only to insult his illness over and over. They even insulted him, on the air, when he was having colon problems. They FIRED him over that Ric Flair incident that showed the failings of probably a dozen people, none of whom were named Jim Ross (and none of whom were fired), and, to this day, block their contracted talent from appearing on his podcast. WHY DOES HE KEEP STANDING UP FOR THEM!?!?! Because he's like Chris Farley's character from Waynes World 2. He's got nowhere else to go. |
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Mar 9, 2015 15:42:32 GMT -5
I don't get it. WWE **** on Jim Ross from the VERY start of his time with the company. Even the NAME "good ol' JR" was given to him as an insult. They insulted him, mercilessly for over a decade. They fired him when he got sick, and brought him back only to insult his illness over and over. They even insulted him, on the air, when he was having colon problems. They FIRED him over that Ric Flair incident that showed the failings of probably a dozen people, none of whom were named Jim Ross (and none of whom were fired), and, to this day, block their contracted talent from appearing on his podcast. WHY DOES HE KEEP STANDING UP FOR THEM!?!?! Because he's like Chris Farley's character from Waynes World 2. He's got nowhere else to go. God I would have loved Chris Farley JR character mashups, and I aint even a big Farley fan. A lotta good (hand quotes) "integrity" will do for you kid WHEN YOU ARE LIVING IN A BLACK RESISTOL HAT down by THE ROCK! THE ROCK! BAH GOD! I LIVE BY A ROCK. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 15:45:34 GMT -5
Oh JR. He either thinks football is predetermined or wrestling's real.
Poor guy.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Mar 9, 2015 15:50:51 GMT -5
Well he does think broken football players make the best wrestlers.
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 9, 2015 16:03:55 GMT -5
Now you see why Brock Lesnar treats WWE with contempt. He knows that under the corporate veneer, they are carnies who mark for things like drill sergeant coaches, wrestlers courts, and absurd locker room/prison yard etiqutte.
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