sebulba
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Post by sebulba on Mar 26, 2015 13:42:28 GMT -5
HHH was the sexiest, funniest, smartest, and toughest babyface in the world. It was only logical for him to beat Lesnar. I thought the Summerslam ending where HHH actually tapped out was so unrealistic. I am notorious among my friends for completely missing sarcasm and irony. This post is a joke, isn't it? No, really, it's sarcasm isn't it?
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sebulba
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Post by sebulba on Mar 26, 2015 13:44:27 GMT -5
Good lord, the series w/ HHH was terrible. It was like the early 2000's HHH re-surfaced to remind everybody that no matter what a tremendous mind he has for the business, he will always have a major blind-spot when booking himself. Where to even begin. He was fresh off throwing a bucket of cold water all over the hottest thing WWE had seen since the Rock and Steve Austin in CM Punk. He butted his nose into Lesnar's business, taking the side of the heel Vice President of Talent Relations and Interim General Manager of Monday Night Raw, Big Johnny. He played for sympathy, despite siding with the de-facto establishment heel against the freshly-returned fan-favorite Brock Lesnar. Getting his arm broken aside, HHH seemingly refused to look weak in the build up to the first match. He had surrogates take beatings on his behalf. Then there was that weird thing where Paul Heyman merely *mentioned* that HHH *has* children. This saw HHH and Steph turn the vitriol against Heyman and his family up past 11. When HHH actually LOST at Summerslam, he all-but BEGGED the fans go give him that "Thank you, HHH" or "Please don't go!" chant, but they boo'd him the hell out of the building. Jeering him with "Hey, Goodbye!" the whole way. Then, he actually WON the re-match at Mania. Biggest show of the year and HHH had to go over Brock freakin' Lesnar. After that, they had a THIRD match. THREE matches. Lesnar was making a rumored 5 million dollars PER YEAR and 3/4th of the matches he worked were against HHH. Vince McMahon paid FIVE MILLION DOLLARS to have the hottest thing going in pro wrestling go toe-to-toe with his semi-retired stuff-shirt son-in-law. HHH lost that match, but only after Brock had to scream "HELP ME, PAUL!" to his manager. And it was NEVER a big deal for either of them. Lesnar won the feud, but so what? HHH wound up looking pretty good for, you know, not getting outright murdered...but so what? Like he needed a rub from working with Lesnar? What was the point? Other than to make Paul Levesque look like a megalomaniac? Returns from exile to face the Undertaker twice (and demonstrate how NOT to put over the winner of a match), CM Punk (and CRUSH his push) and an extremely popular 5 million dollars in cash given human form. Urgh, it STILL bugs me! Yes. Oh god, yes.
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Post by sportatorium on Mar 26, 2015 13:48:17 GMT -5
One match would have been fine, but it went on way too long & they seemed to love the idea of making Brock take pins early on. The longer it went, the worse it got because we were supposed to buy HHH as Brock's equal as a tough guy & that was beyond ridiculous.
We did get the Brock destroying the office thing which was great and Heyman saying "you broke his arm" over & over again after he beat up Shawn.
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Post by Stuart Baggs The Brand on Mar 26, 2015 13:51:47 GMT -5
HHH was the sexiest, funniest, smartest, and toughest babyface in the world. It was only logical for him to beat Lesnar. I thought the Summerslam ending where HHH actually tapped out was so unrealistic. I am notorious among my friends for completely missing sarcasm and irony. This post is a joke, isn't it? No, really, it's sarcasm isn't it? Who on earth would make such a joke about the game, the king of kings, the cerebral assassin, the one true destroyer, the ass kicker, the prince of thieves, the one who won against the one who went on to be the one in twenty one and one!?
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mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Mar 26, 2015 14:04:06 GMT -5
It was all to make Triple H look like Brock's equal.
It's yet another reason why I've always hated Triple H as a face.
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sebulba
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Post by sebulba on Mar 26, 2015 14:28:20 GMT -5
I am notorious among my friends for completely missing sarcasm and irony. This post is a joke, isn't it? No, really, it's sarcasm isn't it? Who on earth would make such a joke about the game, the king of kings, the cerebral assassin, the one true destroyer, the ass kicker, the prince of thieves, the one who won against the one who went on to be the one in twenty one and one!? Oh. Now I get it. Seriously, I have been numbed by HHH's ruining of everything and everyone good in WWE. I thought him f--king up the whole Lesnar-HHH feud just to make himself look better....Christ! Does this man's vanity know no bounds?! God I hate that man.....
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Post by tms on Mar 26, 2015 17:27:39 GMT -5
I swear HHH's feud against Lesnar was just one giant vanity project for HHH. I always interpreted Trips' foam around his midsection following his entrance before their match at Wrestlemania was the result of Hunter no longer being able to contain himself that he was going over Lesnar clean as a whistle on the biggest stage of them all. The problem with Hunter, much like with Reigns, is that in kayfabe and in reality Brock outclasses them in every conceivable category in a physical contest.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 17:46:53 GMT -5
I swear HHH's feud against Lesnar was just one giant vanity project for HHH. I always interpreted Trips' foam around his midsection following his entrance before their match at Wrestlemania was the result of Hunter no longer being able to contain himself that he was going over Lesnar clean as a whistle on the biggest stage of them all. The problem with Hunter, much like with Reigns, is that in kayfabe and in reality Brock outclasses them in every conceivable category in a physical contest. In reality Brock Lesnar outclassed everyone he faced since his return. The only guys that he faced since his return that would be able to put up any fight are The Big Show and yes Roman Reigns he was a legimate football player. Being a starting defensive tackle (one of the most physical and best tackle specialists in football) and captain for Georgia Tech is a pretty damn athletic achievement. I omitted Punk since we havent seen his ufc fight yet.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Mar 26, 2015 17:50:17 GMT -5
Just checked, on a RAW promo before Summerslam Heyman did say in Lesnars first match back with Cena that he was battling diverticulitus and was only at fifty per cent.
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Post by Jacy Jayne Atomic Dog AMV on Mar 26, 2015 17:56:08 GMT -5
It highlighted everything that was wrong with Triple H as a babyface and ended so badly that both guys looked weak coming out of it.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Mar 26, 2015 18:17:31 GMT -5
But it all worked out alright in the end
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 26, 2015 19:05:12 GMT -5
It was a waste of everyone's time: Brock's, Heyman's the fans, HHH..
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Post by Chestnutrice on Mar 26, 2015 19:44:42 GMT -5
All the staples center had to do was cheer him and he would've f***ed off forever, curse all of you Lakers fans!!
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Post by Instant Classic on Mar 26, 2015 20:45:07 GMT -5
I liked their Mania and steel cage match. Summerslam one was pretty boring.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Mar 26, 2015 20:50:17 GMT -5
All the staples center had to do was cheer him and he would've f***ed off forever, curse all of you Lakers fans!! I really do wonder about that. I think that just *may* have been the original plan. Heyman would have been the best person to FINALLY call HHH on his bull****. "King of Kings?" "The One True Destroyer?" Please. Even in his PRIME, HHH couldn't win a fair fight against ANYONE. Every victory and title defense was the result of three (or more) other dudes or a friggin' SLEDGEHAMMER. And he claims to be anywhere near the level of BROCK LESNAR? Hell, the only reason HHH even *held* the WHC was because Lesnar signed w/ Smackdown and HHH didn't want to wrestle on Tuesdays. But, no. Not even Paul Heyman, the greatest talker in the history of the business, is allowed to get on over on HHH.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 27, 2015 6:38:46 GMT -5
Things like these are why HHH will never get the sendoff he feels he deserves unless he retires after suffering an injury in ring. For every good match he's had and every guy he's put over that's needed it, there are a half dozen moments of pure, unadulterated selfishness on his part where the main event scene is booked to make sure he's seen as the coolest and funniest guy that there is or the biggest heel in all the land who's still cool and funny and booked almost exactly like a face only without the cheers and protected every step of the way.
Triple H is not a good face, he's not a great heel either no matter what he would like to believe as the job of a heel is to make the face look good in victory or defeat. The audience booing you is meaningless if they do not want to pay to see you get beat and people stopped doing that for Hunter a long time ago.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 6:51:39 GMT -5
HHH hasn't actually won in quite a while. In fact I think that one match against Lesnar was the last match he's won. Before that you have to go back to HHH/Nash for his previous win.
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Losing to Lesnar Beating Lesnar Losing to Lesnar Losing to Axel twice (joke losses, but he did lose). Lost to Undertaker Lost to Undertaker again Lost to Daniel Bryan Lost in 6 man tag against the Shield.
He's not exactly tearing up the win column the past few years.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Mar 27, 2015 7:01:13 GMT -5
He's not exactly tearing up the win column the past few years. The problem isn't that HHH never loses, it's the *manner* in which he loses. He "lost" to the Undertaker, but then gave a promo the next night saying that "Yeah, Taker may have gotten the three count, but *I* was the guy who walked out under his own power." He "lost" the the Undertaker a second time, in a match where his BEST FRIEND was named the special ref and in which he tried to MURDER the Undertaker with a full-swing sledgehammer shot to the head...and the match ended with a show of respect from Taker and HBK to Triple H. He "lost" to Brock Lesnar (an ass-kicking MACHINE that Vince was paying 1.25 million per match) TWICE, but only due to weird outside circumstances. And in ALL of those losses, nobody was allowed to get over on him in any real way. Lesnar, Heyman, Taker, (and later Bryan, the Shield, etc) were completely handicapped in what they could say. HHH was a guy who NEVER won on his own steam. He had DX, HBK, Evolution, Chyna, the Corporation, etc backing him up. He married the boss' daughter and became a stuffed suit. But in every interview (EVERY INTERVIEW) it was "HHH! You may be one of the greatest of all time, but I've got what it takes to beat you!" Meanwhile, HHH cuts promos like "You're a joke, Undertaker. Your act has been old for years. Daniel Bryan, you're a troll who got lucky. Brock Lesnar, you're all hype." He made EVERYBODY he worked with, from legit Legends to legit ass-kickers, to Money in the Bank, look like second-rate flunkies, lucky to even share the screen with him. Tazz once said, "Beat me if you can; survive if I let you". HHH's motto may as well have been, "Beat me if you can, look good doing it if I let you. (And I won't)."
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Mar 27, 2015 7:08:35 GMT -5
Triple H is not a good face, he's not a great heel either no matter what he would like to believe as the job of a heel is to make the face look good in victory or defeat. Random note, he was universally cheered over Cena in their WrestleMania 22 match, getting the "Yeah!" when he hit Cena and "Boo!" when Cena hit him, etc. And Triple H was a heel at the time, and yet was a better babyface than the top babyface. Granted this might go with your point, but he has natural charisma and is good with humor and promos, is great in the ring, and fans chose to side with him. Also, DX Triple H with the Outlaws and X-Pac and Chyna was great stuff before they turned heel. I had a D-X shirt for a reason in 7th grade. Also in general I think humor is his strong suit, much better than the angry intense character, so being a babyface suits him well. Or the funny smarmy heel he's doing at the moment. I agree on a lot of Triple H criticism for sure, just saying for the record, he has had the fans behind him at times for sure, and that means he was good at it.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 27, 2015 7:16:56 GMT -5
HHH hasn't actually won in quite a while. In fact I think that one match against Lesnar was the last match he's won. Before that you have to go back to HHH/Nash for his previous win. You've got Losing to Lesnar Beating Lesnar Losing to Lesnar Losing to Axel twice (joke losses, but he did lose). Lost to Undertaker Lost to Undertaker again Lost to Daniel Bryan Lost in 6 man tag against the Shield. He's not exactly tearing up the win column the past few years. Out of all those losses, only the Bryan one meant anything and he would have gotten his win back had he not gotten injured. You know he would have spent the period leading up to it costing him the title and besting him at every turn, running him down on the mic without meaningful reply because that's Hunter's thing.
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