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Post by mcstoklasa on Mar 26, 2015 9:30:13 GMT -5
I've loved Lesnars latest WWE run but didn't care for his feud with Triple H. The matches weren't good and after seeing Lesnar's epic and unique match with Cena (Extreme Rules) I was hoping for more of the same.
However the matches with H were plodding and had HHH beating on Lesnar a great deal. Someone said on the forum that that feud nearly killed Lesnars character and mystique. What say you?
Of course destroying 3MB the day after jobbing to HHH helped.
By the time of the Punk feud Lesnar was back to being a killer more or less.
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Post by joey joe joe junior shabadoo on Mar 26, 2015 9:32:51 GMT -5
i agree
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Post by Jiren on Mar 26, 2015 9:34:56 GMT -5
My thoughts on HHH/Lesnar
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Post by mcstoklasa on Mar 26, 2015 9:38:36 GMT -5
I mean sure Lesnars been in four matches with Cena but three of them were great and the remaining one was still decent. They have great chemistry.
That said, no more HHH or Cena matches for Bork please.
I've just remembered "likeable" babyface Stephanie attacking Heyman. I wish Brock would F5 her into space.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 9:41:52 GMT -5
HHH was the sexiest, funniest, smartest, and toughest babyface in the world. It was only logical for him to beat Lesnar. I thought the Summerslam ending where HHH actually tapped out was so unrealistic.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Mar 26, 2015 9:47:55 GMT -5
Good lord, the series w/ HHH was terrible. It was like the early 2000's HHH re-surfaced to remind everybody that no matter what a tremendous mind he has for the business, he will always have a major blind-spot when booking himself.
Where to even begin.
He was fresh off throwing a bucket of cold water all over the hottest thing WWE had seen since the Rock and Steve Austin in CM Punk.
He butted his nose into Lesnar's business, taking the side of the heel Vice President of Talent Relations and Interim General Manager of Monday Night Raw, Big Johnny. He played for sympathy, despite siding with the de-facto establishment heel against the freshly-returned fan-favorite Brock Lesnar.
Getting his arm broken aside, HHH seemingly refused to look weak in the build up to the first match. He had surrogates take beatings on his behalf. Then there was that weird thing where Paul Heyman merely *mentioned* that HHH *has* children. This saw HHH and Steph turn the vitriol against Heyman and his family up past 11.
When HHH actually LOST at Summerslam, he all-but BEGGED the fans go give him that "Thank you, HHH" or "Please don't go!" chant, but they boo'd him the hell out of the building. Jeering him with "Hey, Goodbye!" the whole way.
Then, he actually WON the re-match at Mania. Biggest show of the year and HHH had to go over Brock freakin' Lesnar.
After that, they had a THIRD match. THREE matches. Lesnar was making a rumored 5 million dollars PER YEAR and 3/4th of the matches he worked were against HHH. Vince McMahon paid FIVE MILLION DOLLARS to have the hottest thing going in pro wrestling go toe-to-toe with his semi-retired stuff-shirt son-in-law. HHH lost that match, but only after Brock had to scream "HELP ME, PAUL!" to his manager.
And it was NEVER a big deal for either of them. Lesnar won the feud, but so what? HHH wound up looking pretty good for, you know, not getting outright murdered...but so what? Like he needed a rub from working with Lesnar? What was the point? Other than to make Paul Levesque look like a megalomaniac? Returns from exile to face the Undertaker twice (and demonstrate how NOT to put over the winner of a match), CM Punk (and CRUSH his push) and an extremely popular 5 million dollars in cash given human form.
Urgh, it STILL bugs me!
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Post by The Yes Man on Mar 26, 2015 10:05:14 GMT -5
Lesnar should have just killed him at SummerSlam, and had no rematches. Lesnar should have faced Orton at WrestleMania 29, and Sheamus at Extreme Rules.
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Post by Jiren on Mar 26, 2015 10:07:13 GMT -5
Lesnar should have just killed him at SummerSlam, and had no rematches. Lesnar should have faced Orton at WrestleMania 29, and Sheamus at Extreme Rules. That would've been badass
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 26, 2015 10:08:04 GMT -5
Was this the feud where Stephanie insulted Heyman as a parent, then reacted with outrage when he did the same?
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Post by mcstoklasa on Mar 26, 2015 10:09:13 GMT -5
In kayfabe I like to think Brock wasn't at his best in 2012/2013.
Dominated Cena but got too cocky.
Just about beat HHH by submission.
Then lost to HHH at Mania.
Looked very beatable at Extreme Rules but still eked out a win.
More powerful against Punk but still looked vulnerable.
Big Show made him look like a bitch in the build up (but then show is huge) but Brock just beat the tar out of him with a chair to win.
Managed to pin The Undertaker and BREAK THE STREAK. Absorbed Taker's powers.
Destroyed Cena at Summerslam.
Looked near invincible at Night of Champions but the ending was controversial and he might of lost if not for Rollins.
Damn near unstoppable at the Rumble.
Hopefully invincible at Mania.
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on Mar 26, 2015 10:13:00 GMT -5
In kayfabe I like to think Brock wasn't at his best in 2012/2013. Dominated Cena but got too cocky. Just about beat HHH by submission. Then lost to HHH at Mania. Looked very beatable at Extreme Rules but still eked out a win. More powerful against Punk but still looked vulnerable. Big Show made him look like a bitch in the build up (but then show is huge) but Brock just beat the tar out of him with a chair to win. Managed to pin The Undertaker and BREAK THE STREAK. Absorbed Taker's powers. Destroyed Cena at Summerslam. Looked near invincible at Night of Champions but the ending was controversial and he might of lost if not for Rollins. Damn near unstoppable at the Rumble. Hopefully invincible at Mania. I'm certain Heyman mentioned in a promo around SummerSlam 2014 that Brock was still recovering from his diverticulitis in 2012 and 2013, but now he was in peak physical condition and was really ready to wreck **** up. As evidenced by the 16 German suplexes that were given to John Cena that night.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Mar 26, 2015 10:14:02 GMT -5
Lesnar does not need to have NWA style barn burners wiht Triple H or anyone, those aren't his style and they're usually garbage. That's what we got for the most part with the Triple H/Lesnar feud, along with Hunter and Steph trying to come across as some huge sympathetic babyfaces when everyone wants to see them both get kneed in the face repeatedly.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 26, 2015 10:14:16 GMT -5
In kayfabe I like to think Brock wasn't at his best in 2012/2013. Dominated Cena but got too cocky. Just about beat HHH by submission. Then lost to HHH at Mania. Looked very beatable at Extreme Rules but still eked out a win. More powerful against Punk but still looked vulnerable. Big Show made him look like a bitch in the build up (but then show is huge) but Brock just beat the tar out of him with a chair to win. Managed to pin The Undertaker and BREAK THE STREAK. Absorbed Taker's powers. Destroyed Cena at Summerslam. Looked near invincible at Night of Champions but the ending was controversial and he might of lost if not for Rollins. Damn near unstoppable at the Rumble. Hopefully invincible at Mania. That is, of course, the kayfabe explanation from Paul, that Brock wasn't at 100% when he first returned.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 10:16:09 GMT -5
I swear HHH's feud against Lesnar was just one giant vanity project for HHH.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Mar 26, 2015 10:21:07 GMT -5
I swear HHH's feud against Lesnar was just one giant vanity project for HHH. It'd be like if your father-in-law paid 5 million dollars to Mike Tyson to show up at your house and let you knock him around every three months for a year. Yeah, you *did* it, but everybody knows what's up.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Mar 26, 2015 10:21:23 GMT -5
In kayfabe I like to think Brock wasn't at his best in 2012/2013. Dominated Cena but got too cocky. Just about beat HHH by submission. Then lost to HHH at Mania. Looked very beatable at Extreme Rules but still eked out a win. More powerful against Punk but still looked vulnerable. Big Show made him look like a bitch in the build up (but then show is huge) but Brock just beat the tar out of him with a chair to win. Managed to pin The Undertaker and BREAK THE STREAK. Absorbed Taker's powers. Destroyed Cena at Summerslam. Looked near invincible at Night of Champions but the ending was controversial and he might of lost if not for Rollins. Damn near unstoppable at the Rumble. Hopefully invincible at Mania. That is, of course, the kayfabe explanation from Paul, that Brock wasn't at 100% when he first returned. Anyone know where I can find Heyman saying that.?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 26, 2015 10:22:07 GMT -5
That is, of course, the kayfabe explanation from Paul, that Brock wasn't at 100% when he first returned. Anyone know where I can find Heyman saying that.? I'm not sure but it was somewhere in the buildup to either Summerslam or NOC, I forget which.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Mar 26, 2015 10:22:10 GMT -5
That is, of course, the kayfabe explanation from Paul, that Brock wasn't at 100% when he first returned. Anyone know where I can find Heyman saying that.? It was during an interview on Ariel Helwani's show.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Mar 26, 2015 12:57:08 GMT -5
His feud with HHH was horrible but in perspective it was cool to see Lesnar being so vulnerable, because for the build up against UT nobody expected to see the same guy who couldnt beat Cena and looked like a wimp against HHH to beat the undertaker at f***ING WRESTLEMANIA, making the moment more surreal and memorable
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Mar 26, 2015 13:16:35 GMT -5
My favorite part of the feud was them explaining away HHH being in Mayweather's corner without a cast because he had some magic cast that he can wear under his clothing. And they then show some weird stock photoesq photos of HHH doing his corporate work.
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