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Post by Chainsaw on Apr 7, 2015 19:28:43 GMT -5
Absolutely. I've seen some inexcusable stuff in my wrestling life, but showing up high for a main event match that had to be cut short is top of the list.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 7, 2015 23:55:14 GMT -5
Yes because even though he was the top star and the top storylines relied on him, he could've seriously injured someone or himself in case Bischoff and Sting didn't changed the script.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 0:16:29 GMT -5
No.
Only because I would have never been idiotic enough to send him out there in the first place. This could have EASILY been avoided.
On the fly record a promo of Jeff "knocked out" and have Bischoff freaking out and just picks the first person he sees to challenge Sting. I think Anderson was in the title picture at the time so him.
Stupid? Yes, but it's one of the most embarrassing things to ever happen in pro wrestling.
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Apr 8, 2015 0:17:39 GMT -5
One thing: many of the posts here have been saying that Hardy showed up for the PPV high, but the story I heard was that he showed up for the show clear and coherent, even went over the match with Sting. He then disappeared for a while, to be found later slumped over a toilet in one of the bathrooms.
Now, at that point, he shouldn't have gone to the ring, and no one backstage should have let him. I just have no idea what the heck anyone could have done to salvage the main event.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 0:20:54 GMT -5
From the "Why don't TNA utilize Jeff Hardy better?" [sic] thread. I actually agree with TNA for the most part on their handling of it after the fact. I would have suspended him without pay until he cleaned himself up, fired him if he couldn't, then brought him back in a reduced position and had his new ceiling be a JTTS. I'd never even think about putting a top title on him again. That way you come off as a company giving a guy a break AND still get to squeeze what you can out of his name and merch. From what I heard TNA's done pretty much that. I will fault TNA for him somehow making it through the entrance out to in front of the crowd in that state, but their handling of it after has been fair enough. For the record: I'd put Matt Hardy in the same damn position after that fake suicide shit. If he claimed it was because he wasn't sober I'd keep him off the roster til he got himself sorted then use him alongside his brother to elevate new teams rather than be "THE" team. The closest they'd ever come to being the top team is a short reign or two so the fact that they were basically JTTS wouldn't be completely obvious. In both instances it seemed TNA actually did something in the way that makes the most sense. I can't believe I'm fully agreeing with how TNA's using some talent, but I am. That makes the thread topic's answer: "Why don't TNA utilize Jeff Hardy better?"
They're using BOTH of the Hardys as best as the Hardys will let them.
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Post by chrom on Apr 8, 2015 0:54:53 GMT -5
Yes, I would have fired him and never re-hired him. He may be over, but he is a danger and I could never trust Jeff since it was already shown that he was high when he gave Anderson a concussion. This was not the only instance of showing up high on drugs and when you ruin a main event with that after multiple times, I would said I'm done with you and I never want to see you ever again. Did at it at WK5 as well, and was seen after his match asking just who it was that he had faced. That killed whatever was left between them and New Japan's working relationship.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Apr 8, 2015 1:24:18 GMT -5
Yes, I would have fired him and never re-hired him. He may be over, but he is a danger and I could never trust Jeff since it was already shown that he was high when he gave Anderson a concussion. This was not the only instance of showing up high on drugs and when you ruin a main event with that after multiple times, I would said I'm done with you and I never want to see you ever again. Did at it at WK5 as well, and was seen after his match asking just who it was that he had faced. That killed whatever was left between them and New Japan's working relationship. Like I said, multiple times....he would have screwed me and I would have just had enough. I don't care how over you are, that doesn't give you the right to screw over the company you work for so I would have just said "take your ball and go home....and never come back" So yes....I would have completely sh**-canned the guy and I would have announced it to the fans at that show after it was over...and I would have had it recorded so I could air it on the next Impact just so TV fans know what happened.
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Post by One-Armed Drummer of Defrebel on Apr 8, 2015 1:29:44 GMT -5
I would have fired him, rehired him, and fired him again. Hook him up with some random job and get him fired from that too.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Apr 8, 2015 1:49:50 GMT -5
I would of fired him because having the main event of one of your biggest PPV events of the year go tits up because one of your biggest draws turned up drugged up out their mind makes you look worse than bush league. I would also fire the idiots who allowed him to go out to the ring in such a state as it cased a massive f*** up of epic proportions.
I would also fire myself because if you allowed the promotion to be in such shambles you know you f***ed up big time.
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Post by Reflecto on Apr 8, 2015 1:53:27 GMT -5
The second he's gotten that high: Immediately change the plans. Say Hardy's been knocked out backstage and rework it. (They even COULD HAVE- the forgotten fact with it is that on the same Victory Road card, they even had the perfect opening since Anderson and RVD fought in a number one contender's match that went to a draw- so it makes sense to say "Since there was a draw earlier for it, they're getting their title shot tonight in a triple threat match.")
Afterwards, I don't fire him simply because of his draw value, and the inherent knowledge if I did fire Hardy, he'd just go to some other promotion and continue his bullshit while also making our show look worse for not having him.
Instead, I drop the nuke: Either Hardy goes straight to rehab, or I call his probation officer/whoever's handled his court case and tell him Hardy just clearly violated his terms of release by showing up to work and doing drugs there, getting him thrown in the slammer for it. Far easier, and keeps him from hurting anyone else in the ring or making our promotion look worse for losing a huge star to someone else more willing to deal with those headaches if it means they have JEFF HARDY on the card.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 8, 2015 3:14:34 GMT -5
What is this thing about Mike Tenay's dick? A stupid joke I started that has since become my gimmick. I realised I've already used it too much so... might dial it down a shade. What is this thing about Mike Tenay's dick? First time I saw it it was a joke answer on a thread where people posted ridiculous things that happened at WM 31 (well before the show happened). No idea if it goes back further. I first used it as a joke in the thread about what would happen on the last Impact. I put love and detail into that post...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 9:38:08 GMT -5
Honestly... I'd have certainly suspended him for a long ass time and I certainly wouldn't have given him the World title again as soon as he came back, but no, probably wouldn't have fired him. Definitely would've told him that if he so much as jaywalked from that point on his ass'd be gone, though.
Though I absolutely would've fired the people who okayed him to go out.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 8, 2015 10:56:16 GMT -5
I would've fired Hardy along with anyone else who was responsible for giving him the OK to go out there. I have a lot of compassion for drug addicts, but in wrestling, being in that state you pose a serious danger to yourself and your co-workers. I don't even care if he was their biggest star at that time.
I would give Hardy a second (third? eighth?) chance if he really did get clean. But he'd never wear the World Title again.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 12:29:03 GMT -5
TNA honestly can't afford Hardy to leave. He's pretty much their only real draw.
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Post by TGM on Apr 8, 2015 12:35:21 GMT -5
Obviously the man needed help and is a massive star, so no I wouldn't.
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Post by chrom on Apr 8, 2015 13:23:26 GMT -5
TNA honestly can't afford Hardy to leave. He's pretty much their only real draw. And who's fault is that exactly? Is it the fans who got tired of putting up with idiotic angle after idiotic angle? Spike deciding enough is enough after the ratings continued to decrease and losing money on it? Guys like AJ and Joe who did everything for them and were treated like dirt as a reward? Hardy isn't a draw in TNA, neither is Angle or anyone else. The company's dead and the only thing missing is a tag on their toe. And the reason why they don't go back to WWE is because Angle wants to kill himself in the ring and Hardy doesn't want to do drug tests. Even the shadiest Indy wouldn't have sent Jeff out. TNA does no drug testing, no blood work, nothing regarding the health of those who work for them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 14:10:46 GMT -5
TNA honestly can't afford Hardy to leave. He's pretty much their only real draw. And who's fault is that exactly? Is it the fans who got tired of putting up with idiotic angle after idiotic angle? Spike deciding enough is enough after the ratings continued to decrease and losing money on it? Guys like AJ and Joe who did everything for them and were treated like dirt as a reward? Hardy isn't a draw in TNA, neither is Angle or anyone else. The company's dead and the only thing missing is a tag on their toe. And the reason why they don't go back to WWE is because Angle wants to kill himself in the ring and Hardy doesn't want to do drug tests. Even the shadiest Indy wouldn't have sent Jeff out. TNA does no drug testing, no blood work, nothing regarding the health of those who work for them. I know the company's pretty much dead. However, I still think that he is their only draw and he makes them the most money in merch. If TNA lost Jeff before Spike dropped them, they probably would have went under.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 17:04:48 GMT -5
Yes.
Would've also paid for his rehab and kept contact with him, and take a look at bringing him back in 18 months. If he comes back, random drug testing anytime we please.
But, Jeff's one of those "I don't need rehab" types I think. I would not be able to trust him if he was offered rehab and a window to come back later on and turned it down.
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Post by Racksman on Apr 8, 2015 18:05:52 GMT -5
First off, I voted for Mike Tenay windmilling his dick because that was the funniest f***ing thing I've read on the internet in quite some time.
Secondly, fired? I would've f***ing blackballed him from the industry.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Apr 8, 2015 20:12:45 GMT -5
Absolutely. Not only would I have fired him, he would've been blackballed from the company. People paid hard-earned money to see that show and he cheated them out of a main event due to being a worthless junkie.
I've never been a big fan of the guy, but after seeing him flip the bird to/mock a kid with a CM Punk shirt on at a TNA house show, I can confirm he's a disgusting human being.
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