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Post by chrom on Apr 26, 2015 21:46:04 GMT -5
And...I'm done.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Apr 26, 2015 22:07:17 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Was it Barristan dying?
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Post by Cela on Apr 26, 2015 23:04:14 GMT -5
So, Sansa is marrying a Bolton. But the more important question is... is anyone going to get that phone?
BECAUSE I CALLED IT!
Meanwhile, I don't want to click anything here, because I think something very bad is happening next week. So... no speculation until the cursed leaks are irrelevant.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Apr 27, 2015 6:40:36 GMT -5
So... did Stannis start a cool new trend of wholly unnecessary public executions or something? I suppose Jon's makes a little more sense as a show of power and unlike the other ones isn't likely to start an uprising, but it's still very unnecessary and would probably make his men distrust him, especially considering many of the officers don't like him to begin with.
I mean, have the people of the GoT universe just plain forgotten that there exist other forms of punishment than execution? I wouldn't mind so much if it didn't feel like it's just an excuse for the writers to include at least one on-screen death per episode. I know the show is famous for it, guys, but you don't HAVE to force it every single time.
There's been something weird going on with Cersei this season. She's almost becoming... likeable. Well, less despicable, at least. Possibly because she does remember that jails exist and has been more cunning than violently evil. Which is odd considering how kill-happy she usually is.
I love how after Tyrion said "tis even better luck to suck a Dwarf's cock", the expression on the guy's face seemed to say "hm... pondering if worth it".
Oh shit! Game of Thrones just pulled a "beloved face returns from months in development as a ruthless heel" on us with Jorah!
Also, a GoT wedding where no-one dies?! I'm so confused... it's like a pro wrestling signing where no-one is thrown through the table!
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Apr 27, 2015 7:45:43 GMT -5
So... did Stannis start a cool new trend of wholly unnecessary public executions or something? I suppose Jon's makes a little more sense as a show of power and unlike the other ones isn't likely to start an uprising, but it's still very unnecessary and would probably make his men distrust him, especially considering many of the officers don't like him to begin with. I think they had hinted in the past that if you ignored a direct order from the Lord Commander, you would be put to death by the sword and I believe that was part of their Night's Watch vow. So yeah.....rules are rules.
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Post by The Last Hero on Apr 27, 2015 9:06:45 GMT -5
I mean, have the people of the GoT universe just plain forgotten that there exist other forms of punishment than execution? I wouldn't mind so much if it didn't feel like it's just an excuse for the writers to include at least one on-screen death per episode. I know the show is famous for it, guys, but you don't HAVE to force it every single time. The guy was a coward who hid during the battle last season which probably would have been enough to execute him, then he defies a direct order from his commander publicly, multiple times. Also; from a completely non-serious perspective. SERIOUSLY BRO; THE STARK FAMILY GETS SOME TINY FORM OF REVENGE/JUSTICE AND YOU COMPLAIN?!? Why I oughta! ![http://media.giphy.com/media/pEP4CwhG1f1uw/giphy.gif](http://media.giphy.com/media/pEP4CwhG1f1uw/giphy.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 9:23:49 GMT -5
So... did Stannis start a cool new trend of wholly unnecessary public executions or something? I suppose Jon's makes a little more sense as a show of power and unlike the other ones isn't likely to start an uprising, but it's still very unnecessary and would probably make his men distrust him, especially considering many of the officers don't like him to begin with. I mean, have the people of the GoT universe just plain forgotten that there exist other forms of punishment than execution? I wouldn't mind so much if it didn't feel like it's just an excuse for the writers to include at least one on-screen death per episode. I know the show is famous for it, guys, but you don't HAVE to force it every single time. Jon Snow tried to give Slynt a punishment that wasn't execution. That's exactly what exiling him to the derelict castle was all about. Slynt refused to accept his punishment. What punishment do you give a guy who won't accept exile? Another exile? Slynt had to be dealt with. He was a coward and an embarrassment to the Night's Watch. After refusing to be exiled, he needed to be executed because Jon Snow had to show to all of his men that he had the spine to deal with those who defied him. He didn't want to kill Slynt, but what else was there to do? Leave the guy to rot in a dungeon? That's just inhumane. Execution was an act of mercy in this case, much like how shooting Mance was an act of mercy.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Apr 27, 2015 9:32:31 GMT -5
And my man Slynt will never be the HEAD of the Nights Watch, that's for sure.
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Post by Sparvid on Apr 27, 2015 9:36:17 GMT -5
So what is Margaery's ultimate goal anyway? Sure, she wants to get rid of Cersei, which is understandable since she's a big pain, but then what? Does she want to take Cersei's place as manipulator of Tommen, making him rule in whatever way she wishes? Or is she just happy being the Queen in general with all that entails? Does she want to make things better for the smallfolk?
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Post by The Last Hero on Apr 27, 2015 9:51:02 GMT -5
So what is Margaery's ultimate goal anyway? Sure, she wants to get rid of Cersei, which is understandable since she's a big pain, but then what? Does she want to take Cersei's place as manipulator of Tommen, making him rule in whatever way she wishes? Or is she just happy being the Queen in general with all that entails? Does she want to make things better for the smallfolk? No chance in hell she genuinely wants to make things better for the small folk, but she would IMO do some things for them or put on some sort of charade for them to gain their love so to speak. Which in any case is better than Cersei who in all her years of being Queen probably never did any of that. Tommen would end up just being a Margaery/Tyrell family puppet for his reign, he has no advisors who would caution him against it aside from his mother - who also would just basically rule through him. If Tommen had a good advisor or two to teach him to be a good man as king he probably would become that.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Apr 27, 2015 11:32:43 GMT -5
So... did Stannis start a cool new trend of wholly unnecessary public executions or something? I suppose Jon's makes a little more sense as a show of power and unlike the other ones isn't likely to start an uprising, but it's still very unnecessary and would probably make his men distrust him, especially considering many of the officers don't like him to begin with. I think they had hinted in the past that if you ignored a direct order from the Lord Commander, you would be put to death by the sword and I believe that was part of their Night's Watch vow. So yeah.....rules are rules. Oh... fair enough. Shows how much I paid attention to that storyline. ![:|](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/plain.png)
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Post by Fundertaker on Apr 27, 2015 13:04:06 GMT -5
So what is Margaery's ultimate goal anyway? Sure, she wants to get rid of Cersei, which is understandable since she's a big pain, but then what? Does she want to take Cersei's place as manipulator of Tommen, making him rule in whatever way she wishes? Or is she just happy being the Queen in general with all that entails? Does she want to make things better for the smallfolk? No chance in hell she genuinely wants to make things better for the small folk, but she would IMO do some things for them or put on some sort of charade for them to gain their love so to speak. Which in any case is better than Cersei who in all her years of being Queen probably never did any of that. Tommen would end up just being a Margaery/Tyrell family puppet for his reign, he has no advisors who would caution him against it aside from his mother - who also would just basically rule through him. If Tommen had a good advisor or two to teach him to be a good man as king he probably would become that. Yeah, I would wager Margaery would just want to rule hrough Tommen and make the lower folk believe that the Tyrells are this messianic, charitable and trustful house that they can count on while keeping face with the other bigger houses so as to not burn any bridges in case another war breaks out in the near future. Basically, she's trying to be the best politician the realm has ever seen. While being awesome all the way through. Now that girl in the house of black and white though... creepy.
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Post by Cela on Apr 27, 2015 13:06:13 GMT -5
So, guessing next week, Tommen is going to have to execute someone. Then Ramsay the week after. Then the Iron Islands. The the brothers without banners. Then Gendry. Then Brienne in the makeshift kingdom she hypothetically creates with Pod.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Apr 27, 2015 13:11:33 GMT -5
Then Ramsay the week after. he already did
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Post by Fundertaker on Apr 27, 2015 13:22:00 GMT -5
Then Brienne in the makeshift kingdom she hypothetically creates with Pod. Considering that Pod is the grandmaster of sexing in the GoT universe, they may be able to get quite the army on their children alone.
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Post by Cela on Apr 27, 2015 13:51:40 GMT -5
Then Ramsay the week after. he already did On screen.
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Post by hossfan on Apr 27, 2015 15:22:19 GMT -5
Two plot points from the most recent episode I don't get:
1. Why would the Boltons be willing piss off the Lannisters by taking Sansa Stark in and marrying her to Ramsay? And how can Sansa marry anyone, given she's still wed to Tyrion? I'm assuming the reason is to placate the Stark loyalists, but its seems like a very big risk; you're angering the people who put you in power in the first place in hopes of appeasing another group who, after the Red Wedding, has no reason to trust you.
2. Why is Cersi working to elevate the High Sparrow to the rank of Septon? Again, I'm guessing she wants to use him to prove she cares about the poor of King's Landing as much as Queen Margery supposedly does, but given the numerous skeletons in her closet, some of which involve her own cousin who is a follower of the Sparrow, it just strikes me as a monumentally bad idea to give Westeros's own version of the Moral Majority any kind of power.
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Post by Crimson on Apr 27, 2015 15:23:31 GMT -5
So what is Margaery's ultimate goal anyway? Sure, she wants to get rid of Cersei, which is understandable since she's a big pain, but then what? Does she want to take Cersei's place as manipulator of Tommen, making him rule in whatever way she wishes? Or is she just happy being the Queen in general with all that entails? Does she want to make things better for the smallfolk? No chance in hell she genuinely wants to make things better for the small folk, but she would IMO do some things for them or put on some sort of charade for them to gain their love so to speak. Which in any case is better than Cersei who in all her years of being Queen probably never did any of that. Tommen would end up just being a Margaery/Tyrell family puppet for his reign, he has no advisors who would caution him against it aside from his mother - who also would just basically rule through him. If Tommen had a good advisor or two to teach him to be a good man as king he probably would become that. Honestly, it's a shame that we could never see how Tyrion or even Tywin would have tried to mold Tommen. They both effectively good screwed over doing damage control for a mess that Joffrey created.
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Post by The Last Hero on Apr 27, 2015 16:01:36 GMT -5
Two plot points from the most recent episode I don't get: 1. Why would the Boltons be willing piss off the Lannisters by taking Sansa Stark in and marrying her to Ramsay? 2. And how can Sansa marry anyone, given she's still wed to Tyrion? 3. I'm assuming the reason is to placate the Stark loyalists, but its seems like a very big risk; you're angering the people who put you in power in the first place in hopes of appeasing another group who, after the Red Wedding, has no reason to trust you. 1. They have no real leader to be feared like Tywin, besides what could they actually do? Send an army? Bolton is the only real ally that they could use to rule the North. If the Lannisters were smart they would realize it is the only chance the North doesn't rise up and overthrow the Boltons. 2. I don't know, I assume he was stripped of all title and maybe even marriage? Plus I think the Boltons follow the old gods so that might be a loophole they could use. 3. It might win over some people teetering on the edge of being loyal. It's better than marrying some random girl. Why is Cersi working to elevate the High Sparrow to the rank of Septon? Again, I'm guessing she wants to use him to prove she cares about the poor of King's Landing as much as Queen Margery supposedly does, but given the numerous skeletons in her closet, some of which involve her own cousin who is a follower of the Sparrow, it just strikes me as a monumentally bad idea to give Westeros's own version of the Moral Majority any kind of power. The old septon had absolutely no power to do anything, just some guy who can marry people. She is probably blinded by the prophecy in episode 1 and rage from being insulted. She's more of a bully than she is like Tywin.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 27, 2015 16:34:14 GMT -5
Two plot points from the most recent episode I don't get: 1. Why would the Boltons be willing piss off the Lannisters by taking Sansa Stark in and marrying her to Ramsay? And how can Sansa marry anyone, given she's still wed to Tyrion? I'm assuming the reason is to placate the Stark loyalists, but its seems like a very big risk; you're angering the people who put you in power in the first place in hopes of appeasing another group who, after the Red Wedding, has no reason to trust you. 2. Why is Cersi working to elevate the High Sparrow to the rank of Septon? Again, I'm guessing she wants to use him to prove she cares about the poor of King's Landing as much as Queen Margery supposedly does, but given the numerous skeletons in her closet, some of which involve her own cousin who is a follower of the Sparrow, it just strikes me as a monumentally bad idea to give Westeros's own version of the Moral Majority any kind of power. 1. Tywin's gone, none of the other Lannisters are in a position to do anything now, they're divided. They say it in the show, the marriage was never consummated, so it doesn't count. The smallfolk aren't going to read too much into it, or they think they won't, they'll just see "Oh, a Stark's there, it's all good" 2. The High Septon is basically the Pope, she sees these humble people who give away their posessions and thinks they'll be easy to control, so she has control of the religion of the South. I doubt it'll be that simple.
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