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Post by xCompackx on Apr 17, 2015 15:55:35 GMT -5
It's kinda hard to call moments "overblown" when most of the moments that happen aren't actually significant until much later. Even stuff like John Cena's debut wasn't all that great until they actively started promoting it after Cena became the top guy, and now it's supposed to be a huge moment that changed wrestling forever.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 15:58:24 GMT -5
Mike Tyson's involvement in 1998. Did anyone really consider him a "member of DX"? The guy was expensive window dressing and gets way too much credit. He did barely anything in that entire angle, including the title match at WrestleMania. Anytime he said anything, he came across as a child just following his cues. he brought ALOT of attention to the WWF. you've got to remember at the time Tyson was banned from boxing for biting someones ear off and this was the first time he'd be on PPV since. he was a massive deal at the time.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Apr 17, 2015 16:04:26 GMT -5
3:16 promos importance at the time is vastly overated.
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Post by Paul E. Funk on Apr 17, 2015 16:07:58 GMT -5
Nit a monent but; The Brood
I loved The Brood, great entrance, I liked their in ring style and the Bloodbaths were cool.
My problem with them was that they never really did anything. Edge and Gangrel debut seperately in the Summer of 1998. Soon after, they start interacting mildly and commentators alude to an unknown past between the two. Christian debuts looking the lovechild of Edge and Gangrel. Christian sides with Gangrel against Edge but it's not very long at all until Edge has a change of heart and The Brood is formed.
So nothing's been explained up to now other than Edge and Christian are brothers and we think Gangrel and Edge go way back too. The Brood bob along for a few months, they introduce the Bloodbath which was a very memorable element to their act.
They joined The Ministry, we still know nothing about them or why Edge and Gangrel were so mean to each other at first then suddenly kissed and made up. All the while JR, Michael Cole and Kevin Kelly are leading us all to believe that there's a huge back story behind The Brood. There wasn't.
They swiftly got kicked out of The Ministry, feuded with them for a month and then Bloodbathed the wrong Freebird. Michael Hayes took the Hardy Boyz shopping, doused them in water and unleashed them on Edge and Christian. Gangrel was suddenly in a managerial role but not for very long as he took issue with Edge saving one of Godfathers Ho's (Vampires have strange values). The Brood quickly dissolved with not a single question answered about their history.
Following a short Edge and Gangrel feud; E&C formed proper and the rest is history.
In retrospect the Brood are portrayed as a huge part of the Attitude Era and they could have been if anybody had bothered to develop their characters and story one step during their 9 month run.
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Post by Nickybojelais on Apr 17, 2015 16:33:55 GMT -5
Yeah, I respectfully disagree with calling Tyson's involvement as "overblown".
From personal experience he got a lot of people who used to be WWF fans back into the product. Ok there were a lot of other factors behind the success of this period, but Tyson's presence certainly played its part in the success of the Attitude era.
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Post by Reflecto on Apr 17, 2015 16:49:18 GMT -5
Mick Foley's first title win on 1/4/99.
A great match, a great moment when Mick Foley won the title, yes. However, the fact that Nitro hadn't beaten Raw in the ratings war since October 1998 when they had to put DDP/Goldberg on Nitro after the Halloween Havoc 1998 issue means that the current narrative of "Tony Schiavone tried to spoil Foley's title win to mock him. Over half a million viewers immediately changed the channel to Raw to see Foley win the title, and Nitro would never beat Raw in the ratings again" overblowing the moment.
Worse, unlike even overblown moments like the Boyhood Dream or the DX tank (which at least are done in an attempt to make a WWE star seem more important than they were), overblowing Foley's title win actually makes Foley seem LESS IMPORTANT than he was when that big moment, which allegedly was the final nail in WCW's coffin, was actually inconsequential in Nitro's demise- when just saying "Foley was so big that when Tony Schiavone tried mocking his first WWF Title win, half a million people immediately changed over to our show" is pretty awesome in itself without the "WCW would never beat WWF again" addition.
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Post by The Tim Duncan Experience on Apr 17, 2015 18:06:32 GMT -5
Are you suggesting Andre wasn't two tons of solid steel, an android Andre if you will, that Hogan press slammed above his head and threw off a mountain into a helicopter, killing Bin Laden and winning Vietnam for the whole world? I heard he was a 10 foot giant, who was slammed in front of 10 million people and then died just 2 days later. I kinda miss the threads where we all get to pretend to be hogan and do a really long Hogan promo. Lol this post made me remember the good times
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Apr 17, 2015 19:49:19 GMT -5
The Stooges vs The Posse was the match. This is Your Life was the highest rated segment opposed to a Nitro broadcast. The Mean Street Posse vs Patterson and Brisco match was higher, but it rated so highly because it was an unopposed segment.
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Post by Slanted and Enchanted on Apr 17, 2015 21:21:34 GMT -5
Like, most of HBK's career. Truth. HBK's career is one of the most overblown things in wrestling history, the parangon of WWE's hype machine and revisionists behaviors. Some great matches, some great promos, very talented guy, but HBK: GOAT, no. I definiteky agree with everyone that HBK's first half of his career was overblown but I truly think all the hyped up moments of his second run were well deserved. All the recognition he got for his Summerslam 2002 match, 2008 feud with Jericho, Wrestlemania series with 'Taker, his brief heel run against Hogan, etc...all very well deserved in terms of the praise he got.
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Post by Essential1 on Apr 17, 2015 22:51:09 GMT -5
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Post by Mid-Carder on Apr 18, 2015 3:01:01 GMT -5
Brokenhearted at all this "Shawn's career is overblown" talk. Sob.
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Post by Malcolm on Apr 18, 2015 3:07:11 GMT -5
In my humble opinion, one word: Pipebomb.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Apr 18, 2015 3:14:45 GMT -5
For me, it's all beer truck. It was fun and it still is, but holy f***, does WWE promote this like it was the greatest thing ever. If they produced Greatest Moments in Human History, they'd still rank this #1.
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Post by schma on Apr 18, 2015 3:45:54 GMT -5
Kurt Angle's milk truck. To me, it wasn't anywhere near as cool as the beer bath, plus anything having to do with the Invasion angle is pretty much lame, anyway. This was one of the very few things I enjoyed in the invasion. I know it was a knock off of the beer truck but I still enjoyed it. Oh it's true, it's true.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Apr 18, 2015 4:00:11 GMT -5
Hogan slamming Andre. Wow, he did a basic bodyslam. Big whoop.
Cena AAing Big Show and heck, even Viscera is more impressive.
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Post by Lt. Palumbo on Apr 18, 2015 4:45:07 GMT -5
The tank overblown? Are you kidding me! That tank ended the Monday Night War and saved America from the horrible, never good at all (but you can see it on the Network for $9.99) WCW! That tank was the epitome of just how great Triple H is. The beer truck is definitely been milked too much. The milk truck on the other hand is never mentioned!
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Apr 18, 2015 6:18:58 GMT -5
The boyhood dream deal was great because it was this build to this guy's very first WWF Championship win and I feel first time title wins are now only reserved for Money in the Bank winners or aren't properly built i.e. Sheamus, or in the case of Daniel Bryan, are cashed in on with the Money in the Bank contract. Which ignores the fact Shawn wasn't a guy that the fans wanted to see with the strap as a face, they had no investment in his rise to the top at all so it was like Reigns in that respect, worse in fact as fans cheered for the guy giving him the beatdown when he turned face for crying out loud. To make matters worse, they stripped him of everything edgy about his character and tried to make him into Bret, even giving him his own Stu Hart figure to the delight of no-one, especially Shawn... They kept the stripper aspect, of course.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Apr 18, 2015 6:42:45 GMT -5
The Boyhood Dream, which pains me because HBK is one of my all-time faves. Wouldn't being WWF Champion be EVERY wrestler's "boyhood dream"? What made HBK so special? Mick Foley even referenced that in his long sit-down interview with JR in 1997.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Apr 18, 2015 7:16:52 GMT -5
Medusa trashing the woman's title? At the time everyone was like 'who cares?' The Montreal History Revisionism Society (Est. 1997, Connecticut) cares, it's like the world title for that group. At the time it was a title of a division that the WWF cared so little about they let the champion leave with the belt and didn't do any of the work needed to protect the likeness of the title, something even a two bit company like ECW did for their belts. It only began to matter when it could be used to retroactively justify the events of Montreal... 'Could you imagine if Bret did that with the world title?!'
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 7:25:52 GMT -5
Mike Tyson was proof if you're willing to spend money, you'll make a lot more in return. If only you could watch any news station or ESPN that night, Tyson and Austin was on there pushing and shoving. They were in every newspaper in the country the next morning. (IIRC, USA Today had them on the front page.) This was a big deal; can only imagine how many former wrestling fans saw that and gave wrestling another try. How many non-wrestling fans saw Mike Tyson and wondered what this WWF was all about.
If anything, Mike Tyson's appearances on Raw are vastly underappreciated for what it did for the WWF's 1998 boom period.
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