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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Apr 18, 2015 8:40:57 GMT -5
Hogan slamming Andre wasn't overblown. It was the pinnacle of a feud that headlined possibly the biggest Wrestlemania ever. It also made Wrestlemania a really big deal; compare Wrestlemania III to Wrestlemania II. Hogan-Andre made that thing like the Super Bowl.
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Post by wallabylikeyou on Apr 18, 2015 8:57:57 GMT -5
I mean, if you're saying Hogan slamming Andre is an overblown moment, what exactly is a moment that's blown the right amount?
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Post by SeVeN: #TheBadGuy. on Apr 18, 2015 8:58:26 GMT -5
A lot of stuff from the attitude era is way overblown. At the time it just felt like another Monday. Like everything Austin did, it was cool at the time and something different. But when I go back and watch some of its just like "yeah, that happened" they don't feel like special moments.
However Hogan slamming Andre, I can watch that a million times and it feels almoat Magical everytime. A couple that I feel don't get any recognition that should are the funeral parlor segments with Jake the Snake slamming Takers Hand in the casket and Taker locking Warrior in the casket. Those are just amazing everytime I watch them. We've heard about Piper hitting Snuka with a coconut a million times but IMO that has nothing on the shockingness and memorableness of the Funeral Parlors.
But This is Your Life in particular, I remember watching that and Jesus Christ was it boring and unfunny. The Rock and Sock Connection had some better moments than that.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Apr 18, 2015 10:48:57 GMT -5
The boyhood dream deal was great because it was this build to this guy's very first WWF Championship win and I feel first time title wins are now only reserved for Money in the Bank winners or aren't properly built i.e. Sheamus, or in the case of Daniel Bryan, are cashed in on with the Money in the Bank contract. Which ignores the fact Shawn wasn't a guy that the fans wanted to see with the strap as a face, they had no investment in his rise to the top at all so it was like Reigns in that respect, worse in fact as fans cheered for the guy giving him the beatdown when he turned face for crying out loud. To make matters worse, they stripped him of everything edgy about his character and tried to make him into Bret, even giving him his own Stu Hart figure to the delight of no-one, especially Shawn... They kept the stripper aspect, of course. Really? I loved Shawn Michaels, I thought he was great, he was my favourite wrestler when I was a kid so I was right there with his boyhood dream stuff. I know that the New York fans kinda turned on him at Survivor Series 1996 and went with Sid, and I also heard that he wasn't the best drawing champion (better then Diesel though) but I never thought the crowd hated him like a John Cena or anything. And for perspective with myself, I got hardcore into wrestling around 94, 95 and was practically obsessed with it, even as a kid, and I was into WWF as being better then WCW (even though now with hindsight and the network, Nitro in 96 was better then Raw in 96). That all being said, I never saw any verbal backlash from the fans or anyone else for that matter. He was the Champion on the show that wasn't as good as the competition. |
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Post by thecrusherwi on Apr 18, 2015 11:00:56 GMT -5
The Nation of Domination. They were an awful stable and only The Rock, towards the end, was over to any discernible level. Barely a month goes by without someone bringing up plans for a 'new nation' I've recently been working my way through 1997-98 TV and the original Nation is terrible. It almost gives me a headache when they're on the screen. Not one thing they did prior to the Rock winning the IC title was entertaining. I hate to say it, but the Hart Foundation stable is overblown in my opinion. I watched the old Raws and Nitros from 1997 back to back and the Hart Foundation just feels like a cheap answer to the NWO with the constant beatdowns and long winded promos every week. You have the exact same thing happening on the other channel except with Hulk Hogan instead of Bret Hart leading and Scott Hall, Randy Savage, and Kevin Nash as the muscle instead of British Bulldog, Owen Hart, and Jim Neidhart. The Hart Foundation looks bush league by comparison. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Apr 18, 2015 11:20:59 GMT -5
Really? I loved Shawn Michaels, I thought he was great, he was my favourite wrestler when I was a kid so I was right there with his boyhood dream stuff. I know that the New York fans kinda turned on him at Survivor Series 1996 and went with Sid, and I also heard that he wasn't the best drawing champion (better then Diesel though) but I never thought the crowd hated him like a John Cena or anything. And for perspective with myself, I got hardcore into wrestling around 94, 95 and was practically obsessed with it, even as a kid, and I was into WWF as being better then WCW (even though now with hindsight and the network, Nitro in 96 was better then Raw in 96). That all being said, I never saw any verbal backlash from the fans or anyone else for that matter. He was the Champion on the show that wasn't as good as the competition. More Roman Reigns than Cena, though the audience got a lot more vicious in 1997, his big moments were met with a lukewarm response, apathy or things like cheering the guy beating him up when he's meant to he turning face. A big moment isn't a big moment unless the audience are in to it, if as many people are sitting on their hands as are getting to their feet to cheer or looking unimpressed in the background. The Nation of Domination. They were an awful stable and only The Rock, towards the end, was over to any discernible level. Barely a month goes by without someone bringing up plans for a 'new nation' I hate to say it, but the Hart Foundation stable is overblown in my opinion. I watched the old Raws and Nitros from 1997 back to back and the Hart Foundation just feels like a cheap answer to the NWO with the constant beatdowns and long winded promos every week. You have the exact same thing happening on the other channel except with Hulk Hogan instead of Bret Hart leading and Scott Hall, Randy Savage, and Kevin Nash as the muscle instead of British Bulldog, Owen Hart, and Jim Neidhart. The Hart Foundation looks bush league by comparison. Wasn't the entire Gang Warz era? Heck, 96-98 in general was a startled reaction to WCW, you had Luchadores used to bulk out the roster in the 96 rumble, you had the terrible light heavyweight division, shocking returns of stars from the past like Warrior and faction after faction with DX even copying awful NWO schtick like the rancid 'parody' skits. |
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Post by tms on Apr 18, 2015 12:02:36 GMT -5
Mike Tyson's involvement in 1998. Did anyone really consider him a "member of DX"? The guy was expensive window dressing and gets way too much credit. He did barely anything in that entire angle, including the title match at WrestleMania. Anytime he said anything, he came across as a child just following his cues. How can you say such a thing about the man who helped Cold Stone? |
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Post by RedSmile on Apr 18, 2015 14:44:37 GMT -5
Truth. HBK's career is one of the most overblown things in wrestling history, the parangon of WWE's hype machine and revisionists behaviors. Some great matches, some great promos, very talented guy, but HBK: GOAT, no. I definiteky agree with everyone that HBK's first half of his career was overblown but I truly think all the hyped up moments of his second run were well deserved. All the recognition he got for his Summerslam 2002 match, 2008 feud with Jericho, Wrestlemania series with 'Taker, his brief heel run against Hogan, etc...all very well deserved in terms of the praise he got. I think Shawn Michaels' run in the Rockers is the opposite of overblown, and HBK coming into his own as a singles wrestler is also NOT overblown, IMO. It was when HBK became a main event face and then a world champion when his moments became manufactured and underwhelming. |
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Post by chrom on Apr 18, 2015 15:24:58 GMT -5
Austin 3:16, until he faced Bret at Survivor Series, Austin wasn't doing anything after he made that speech. Heck he was more like a JTTS.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Apr 18, 2015 15:53:00 GMT -5
Medusa trashing the woman's title? At the time everyone was like 'who cares?' The Montreal History Revisionism Society (Est. 1997, Connecticut) cares, it's like the world title for that group. At the time it was a title of a division that the WWF cared so little about they let the champion leave with the belt and didn't do any of the work needed to protect the likeness of the title, something even a two bit company like ECW did for their belts. It only began to matter when it could be used to retroactively justify the events of Montreal... 'Could you imagine if Bret did that with the world title?!' I guess for Vince it was less about the actual women's title but what Bischoff might do. He'd done it before with Alundra Blayze, he might do it again with Bret |
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Post by The QC Loser on Apr 18, 2015 20:17:54 GMT -5
Don't know if this counts but I always found it odd on the Monday Night Wars DVD (I'm pretty sure) they act like the NWO making fun of the Horsemen / Anderson retiring was some big horrible thing. Like one group making fun of the group they were feuding with was some big no no and way over the line.
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Post by captainhindsite on Apr 18, 2015 20:25:28 GMT -5
Mike Tyson's involvement in 1998. Did anyone really consider him a "member of DX"? The guy was expensive window dressing and gets way too much credit. He did barely anything in that entire angle, including the title match at WrestleMania. Anytime he said anything, he came across as a child just following his cues. At least he isint in the hall of fame Yet |
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Post by "Mr Wonderdick" Dick Dastardly on Apr 18, 2015 20:35:33 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels.
Yeah, he was popular and had great matches.
However, imo, his best work was after he came back in 2002. Prior, he wasn't that much of an impact player. He just benefited from being at the right place, at the right time in the downturn of the industry.
If anything, I think Triple H has a better overall body of work and overall importance in the industry. Yeah, he didn't have as many **** - ***** matches, but he was very consistent and for all of his supposed faults backstage, he never really got pissy in the ring like HBK got at times.
While Triple H played politics a lot, HBK did so in a much worse manner. Which, I find funny, as people tend to blast Triple H for his politicking more than they do HBK, despite HBK being an over the top prick.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Apr 18, 2015 20:54:07 GMT -5
Everything about The Rock.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Apr 19, 2015 9:41:53 GMT -5
I am tempted to say the Attitude Era as a whole. Many of the moments in this thread are from that era. Don't get me wrong, it had some great stuff, but WWE treats it like it's absolute best that wrestling ever was and can actually get. I think it's one of the better times in company history, but I vastly prefer the Hulkamania Era and honestly some days, I prefer the NWA Horseman Era (1986-1989) and the good NWO era of WCW (1996-1998) more than the Attitude Era.
In the feeling old thread, someone mentioned how younger fans who hadn't seen the Attitude Era live were excited to finally see the full shows on the network. I'm curious to see their reactions to it. They'll go in expecting to get 2 solid hours of Austin, Rock, Undertaker, Kane, Foley, and DX. Let's see how they feel when it's actually 45 minutes of those guys and 45-60 minutes of DOA, Val Venis, Mideon, Godfather, Hardcore Holly, and Right to Censor.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 19, 2015 10:01:02 GMT -5
Triple H in general. as a fan I can say that even during his best period he was only the 5th or 6th best guy on the roster and often felt shoehorned into positions way out of his depth. by the time he really was "The Man" people were already sick of him.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Apr 19, 2015 10:05:00 GMT -5
Mike Tyson's involvement in 1998. Did anyone really consider him a "member of DX"? The guy was expensive window dressing and gets way too much credit. He did barely anything in that entire angle, including the title match at WrestleMania. Anytime he said anything, he came across as a child just following his cues. At least he isint in the hall of fame Yet He is! |
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Post by captainhindsite on Apr 19, 2015 10:26:10 GMT -5
At least he isint in the hall of fame Yet He is! Christ I thought so but I wasn't sure and didn't want to look it up and was hoping he wasn't ugh ddp no tatanka no and you know what if fn Tyson and Carey are in then I want COACH in or hell throw kid rock in why not awful demolition no steiners no I know its celebrity wing but still |
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Post by warriorthug4edge on Apr 19, 2015 12:51:38 GMT -5
Don't know if this counts but I always found it odd on the Monday Night Wars DVD (I'm pretty sure) they act like the NWO making fun of the Horsemen / Anderson retiring was some big horrible thing. Like one group making fun of the group they were feuding with was some big no no and way over the line. IIRC, what made that egregious is the NWO had a planned run-in by the Horsemen nixed that, in Flair and Anderson's minds, killed what they stood for. |
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Apr 19, 2015 20:15:26 GMT -5
Don't know if this counts but I always found it odd on the Monday Night Wars DVD (I'm pretty sure) they act like the NWO making fun of the Horsemen / Anderson retiring was some big horrible thing. Like one group making fun of the group they were feuding with was some big no no and way over the line. IIRC, what made that egregious is the NWO had a planned run-in by the Horsemen nixed that, in Flair and Anderson's minds, killed what they stood for. Also in their big match, the nWo won. So there was no retribution for nWo doing that, they just got away with it. |
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