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Post by "Mr Wonderdick" Dick Dastardly on Jun 2, 2015 11:13:28 GMT -5
The problem is, while giving the kid a shout out is absolutely awesome, placing it directly in the angle...it makes no sense. Owens CAN'T respond to it, he CAN'T play off of it, it's just kidna there as the ultimate trump card of, "That child beat cancer, and that kid likes me, so you suck". This. I know people were upset that people were upset over Cena mentioning the cancer kid, but I understand the annoyance. Owens beat Cena clean as a whistle last night, Owens then came out saying that he didn't like that his kid looked up to Cena and not him. Owens says that Cena is nothing but a marketing machine with catchphrases. Cena comes out and says that it's not a catchphrase while HOLDING UP A TOWEL WITH SAID PHRASE ON IT THAT CENA IS MAKING MONEY OFF OF. Then proceeds to tell Owens that it's not a catchphrase because people like the cancer kid use it. Not only does it not make it not a catchphrase, he comes across as trying to get a cheap face pop. Before some people start going "Oh I can't believe you would think they would use someone with cancer like that!", let me explain. It's called PERCEPTION. You have a guy in John Cena who is prone to get a less than positive reaction, but while his intentions are good with giving shoutouts to people like that, as stated, it is IMPOSSIBLE to counter something like that. It's the ultimate "no comeback possible, might as well wave the white flag" card. Most fans aren't going to want to boo Cena for the rest of the time after saying "I do this for people who have cancer!" The heel can't exactly go "Well, f*** cancer and the people who have it!" because that would be a PR nightmare for the company. Instead, the new guy, who just beat the face of the company clean the night before, leaves in a huff. Basically showing "well f***, that win didn't really mean anything, because Cena came out tonight and acted like that match didn't matter, because he's doing it for kids with cancer and thus, I'm not a man!" I'm all for then spending 5 minutes in the show doing a little something for people like that, but using them to further an angle where you basically emasculate the heel 24 hours after they beat you clean is cheap as hell.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jun 2, 2015 11:53:27 GMT -5
I'd prefer a heel turn from the kid. Takes off the Cena shirt to reveal a KO shirt.
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Jun 2, 2015 12:02:21 GMT -5
It wouldn't really fit in with Owen's character. He goes on about wanting to be a role model and a good father, even though he goes about it like a bastard, so why would he rip up the sign of a kid with cancer? He's not a lunatic.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 12:19:41 GMT -5
Owens should come out with pro Owens signs and merch and give people stern looks as he's going to the ring.
Like have a plant holding up an Ambrose sign, Owens looks at them, then they reluctantly exchange their sign with him for an Owens sign and look dejected.
Then maybe have him notice someone with a Cena shirt trying to sneak away, then he hops the rail, catches them and makes them put on an Owens shirt over it.
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Post by BRV on Jun 2, 2015 12:22:25 GMT -5
You mean you wish he had done something other than huffing like a three year old who is being punished by a parent and running away from the guy he'd beaten in a fight the night before? If you want to talk about what bothered me the most from that promo (and trust me, there was plenty to be bothered by) THAT was my biggest issue. If you walked into that promo from the moment John Cena's music hit, you would have thought Cena beat Kevin Owens from pillar to post and pinned him with ease. Kevin Owens has had total control over Cena from the moment he arrived on Raw and the night after a potentially career-making victory, Cena arrives on scene to basically whitewash the previous night's relevance and challenge Owens' manhood, and Owens' response is to huff and puff and walk away with his tail tucked between his legs. This is one of the reasons why I was so leery of Owens' victory after the rematch was announced, because even in humiliating defeat, John Cena can't look exposed or weak for more than 24 hours. We all know Cena's winning the rematch at Money in the Bank, the only question is how long will it take for him to pin Owens or make him tap out.
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Post by angryfan on Jun 2, 2015 12:41:27 GMT -5
You want Owens to be the heel, and Cena the "for the chidrins" babyface? Fine, here's how you can do it.
Owens claims he's a family man, does this for his family, yet he talks to his son after the fight that he just won, and his kid's first question is, "Is Cena OK?" Thus, Owens the father is wounded and angry because he wants his son to look up to him and, instead, his son's idol-worship of Cena is trumping the father-son relationshop. Owens is jealous, hurt, and angry, and it's not about "I'm going to win the fight because it's what I do", it's now, "You made my son care less about me when all I did was fight you fairly, now I'm going to hurt you".
Thus, he goes from the "family man" to a defacto sociopath who wants revenge not for a loss but for the perceived loss of his son's love.
Problem is, psychologically, it'd be so easy to do a "shades of grey" moment with, "I do this to support my family, and who does my son idolize? A divorced man who refuses to marry a woman that loves him because he's so caught up in his own self-importance that he thinks he's more important as a role model than the parents are, so now I'll make you suffer for taking our place". It can add conflict, it can add depth.
Instead, we'll get what we got, and it'll be one-sided dialogue where the heel can't respond to any of it for fear of bad company PR.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Jun 2, 2015 12:55:14 GMT -5
Owens leaving didn't bother me, that is the whole Owens character, brains over brawn. He controls when and where he fights, not anyone else. Cena pissing him off and trying to goad Owens into a fight right then and there, Owens selling that he will fight and then calmly leaving made sense. He's done that to everyone he's faced in NXT so far as well.
What I didn't like though was use of the Kid. As a human, that was a brilliant and touching moment but as a wrestling fan it killed the whole segment dead. Once Cena used him against Owens, Owens was dead in the water. You cannot heel on a guy that just put over a kid beating cancer and is the inspiration to that kid, not even Ian Rotten would stoop that low. A better way would have been to get to Owens leaving and then have Cena bring it up afterward but it all seemed like an ad libbed bit.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Jun 2, 2015 12:55:46 GMT -5
That would be a bit too sick for me to watch.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 2, 2015 12:56:51 GMT -5
Owens leaving didn't bother me, that is the whole Owens character, brains over brawn. He controls when and where he fights, not anyone else. Cena pissing him off and trying to goad Owens into a fight right then and there, Owens selling that he will fight and then calmly leaving made sense. He's done that to everyone he's faced in NXT so far as well. Yeah, Owens did that to everybody in NXT. Including Zayne who he powerbombed into oblivion in their first match in NXT.
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Post by JTG Fan on Jun 2, 2015 13:02:25 GMT -5
It wouldn't really fit in with Owen's character. He goes on about wanting to be a role model and a good father, even though he goes about it like a bastard, so why would he rip up the sign of a kid with cancer? He's not a lunatic. I was at an indy show where Steen yelled at somebody ""I hope you get cirrhosis of the liver and die!" Now obviously ripping up the sign of a kid with cancer is a little beyond that, but the point is the guy had no problem being a gigantic asshole in character.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Jun 2, 2015 13:03:10 GMT -5
I don't think it fits Owens' character. He has a son of his own and I just don't see him doing that to someone else's kid, especially if they're a cancer survivor. I know a survivor that beat lymphona 10 years ago and is still going.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 13:03:27 GMT -5
Kevin Owens wrestles to support his family. It wouldn't make any sense.
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Post by The Ichi on Jun 2, 2015 13:04:19 GMT -5
If you have to go that far to get heel heat, you're not a good heel.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Jun 2, 2015 13:08:40 GMT -5
It wouldn't really fit in with Owen's character. He goes on about wanting to be a role model and a good father, even though he goes about it like a bastard, so why would he rip up the sign of a kid with cancer? He's not a lunatic. I was at an indy show where Steen yelled at somebody ""I hope you get cirrhosis of the liver and die!" Now obviously ripping up the sign of a kid with cancer is a little beyond that, but the point is the guy had no problem being a gigantic asshole in character. This is not some indy show in front of 200 fans. This is the big time.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jun 2, 2015 13:14:51 GMT -5
Maybe I'm opening pandora's box here, but where did you see that? I'm hoping it was just 2edgy4u "dark" humor for attention because the thought of people so embittered they'd hate on a dead child worries me. Mainly on youtube comments but I saw it elsewhere, too, a lot of "I don't give a shit about some dead kid" or "Why can't they do it for all of them" as if that's an appropriate complaint to lodge at the deceased chid himself or his family. Believe me. I know. It's happened here on this forum as a matter of fact.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jun 2, 2015 13:24:34 GMT -5
I think the OP hates Owens and wants to see his career ruined.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 13:33:16 GMT -5
Mainly on youtube comments but I saw it elsewhere, too, a lot of "I don't give a shit about some dead kid" or "Why can't they do it for all of them" as if that's an appropriate complaint to lodge at the deceased chid himself or his family. Believe me. I know. It's happened here on this forum as a matter of fact. I was the first with the nerve to say why Connor over every other kid. I see it a legit point. I've not seen anyone post "I don't care about some dead kid" on here though.
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Post by unc40 on Jun 2, 2015 13:47:57 GMT -5
Given some of the embarrassingly gross bile I've seen some fans spew about Connor, I am kind of glad they didn't draw any more attention to this kid than they already did. Some fans are disgusting. A lot of the discussion here about Connor had to do with his induction into the WWE Hall of Fame and to be honest I don't believe he should be there.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jun 2, 2015 13:53:41 GMT -5
I think TNA is doing just fine to make wrestling look like low brow entertainment in public relations on their collective twitter pages.
We don't need a PR nightmare in WWE to that level. Let's leave cancer survivors alone.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 2, 2015 14:00:29 GMT -5
I think TNA is doing just fine to make wrestling look like low brow entertainment in public relations on their collective twitter pages. We don't need a PR nightmare in WWE to that level. Let's leave cancer survivors alone. Technically the sign said "I'm BEATING Cancer" which implies they are still fighting it... which could even be an even worse PR move.
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