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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 14:03:29 GMT -5
It doesn't really fit his character. Owens likes kids...he's just a psycho everywhere else lol
He can totally be a huge babyface. He's the fighter for people who where told "you're not good enough".
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Post by JTG Fan on Jun 2, 2015 14:29:54 GMT -5
I disagree that "it wouldn't fit his character". So far Kevin Owens is almost completely a somewhat sanitized Kevin Steen. Here's a quick list of things I remember Kevin Steen doing:
Practically killed his best friend El Generico for no reason Gave everyone the finger as he left following his 'loser leaves' match Tattooed 'EVIL' on his arm Wrote things like this: "I am the monster I am and I will never change. My name is Kevin Steen and I am the Antichrist of pro wrestling. I don't need to drink or do drugs to be who I am. I am here to beat the f*** out of people and create as much chaos, pain and mayhem as I can and that's always going to be my purpose." Spit on Jay Lethal's mother Package Piledrove Maria Kanellis
So c'mon, you can tell me it would be in bad taste, but don't tell me you could never see a gentle soul like the Kevin Owens character doing it. His character is that he loves HIS child and HIS wife...and would kill yours if he felt like it.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jun 2, 2015 14:36:01 GMT -5
Absolutely not. Nothing is worth upsetting a child with cancer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 14:38:53 GMT -5
Absolutely not. Nothing is worth upsetting a child with cancer. Quoting this because it deserves saying again.
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Post by Richard on Jun 2, 2015 14:42:00 GMT -5
I disagree that "it wouldn't fit his character". So far Kevin Owens is almost completely a somewhat sanitized Kevin Steen. Here's a quick list of things I remember Kevin Steen doing: Practically killed his best friend El Generico for no reason Gave everyone the finger as he left following his 'loser leaves' match Tattooed 'EVIL' on his arm Wrote things like this: "I am the monster I am and I will never change. My name is Kevin Steen and I am the Antichrist of pro wrestling. I don't need to drink or do drugs to be who I am. I am here to beat the f*** out of people and create as much chaos, pain and mayhem as I can and that's always going to be my purpose." Spit on Jay Lethal's mother Package Piledrove Maria Kanellis So c'mon, you can tell me it would be in bad taste, but don't tell me you could never see a gentle soul like the Kevin Owens character doing it. His character is that he loves HIS child and HIS wife...and would kill yours if he felt like it. Kevin Owens isn't Kevin Steen though. Everything you said about Steen is true but that hasn't been shown to be Owens. Owens is a guy after respect, money and fame (for his family) that will destroy everything in his path to get there and going after a cancer patient in the crowd doesn't help him achieve any of that.
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Post by comahan on Jun 2, 2015 14:50:45 GMT -5
Haven't read the thread, but if they staged a heel doing that, id be perfectly fine with it within the kayfabe scope of it being a Voldemort/Ramsay Snow level pure evil supervillain type thing to do. I have absolutely zero issue with characters doing insanely revolting things in a fictional narrative.
However, I'm a super minority in that respect. The reason something like that would NEVER work is because people don't direct heat and legitimate hatred to characters anymore. If they get legitimately angry over something a heel does, that venom goes directly to the writers and company in general. It would have made a heel the most hated wrestler in the world 30 years ago, but in 2015 it would just result in a PR nightmare for the company because of how angry people would be with them about allowing something like that.
Which, imo, is both completely understandable, and a total shame.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 15:05:34 GMT -5
I'm guessing it's more likely that Cena would be the one decimated for daring to "exploit cancer" and point the kid out... At least by the hysterically cynical portion of our fanbase, anyway. That's like me calling the other side "hysterically gullible". No need for the passive-aggression.
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Post by ayumidah on Jun 2, 2015 15:34:27 GMT -5
Considering he started the promo talking about his son, and being all "He's a Cena fan... he's a kid, he's a kid", when the crowd began to boo, yeah I don't see it. So far Owens' only focus has been Cena. Maybe on the indys, but in WWE, nah.
He had a good opportunity to destroy Zack on Raw a couple weeks ago, he didn't. He could've ruined Ambrose for coming out when he was leaving on Smackdown, he didn't. His only focus was, and has been, Cena, and I appreciate that little nuance of his character right now. He fights to achieve more things to support his family, and destroying people just for the sake of it (or doing things like tearing a sick kid's sign), well, why bother. If he goes all out evil, dark heel in the future, sure, but right now... nah.
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Post by metylerca on Jun 2, 2015 15:52:12 GMT -5
I'm guessing it's more likely that Cena would be the one decimated for daring to "exploit cancer" and point the kid out... At least by the hysterically cynical portion of our fanbase, anyway. That's like me calling the other side "hysterically gullible". No need for the passive-aggression. Both above are real quotes from this very segment. Kind of harsh, if you asked me. Especially since.. you know... it's pro wrestling and whatnot. If I had more time, I'd look up Payback when people were calling Cena/Rusev the worst match of the year, or worst match in years. Or WrestleMania, where people called Cena/Rusev the worst match of the year or years. There are also threads posted the moment anything happens asking "_________ is going to happen, isn't it?" Seriously. Look it up. Cena interacts with someone. "Cena is going to beat ______, isn't he?" Roman Reigns interacts with Dean Ambrose. "Roman is turning heel on Ambrose, isn't he?" Those are just two examples of recent cynicism. You don't see a lot of the same 5/6 posters talking about things they like or enjoying the show. It's as though there's a prize for who can be the most negative. And if something dumb happens in the booking, there's like this pride "I called it. I hate this show. f*** you, WWE. f*** off, Vince! (because Vince reads this forum closely, you know)" Or with Jericho, this board had a love affair with him over the years. But recently, the guy made a few kind of stupid tweets and it was a race to proclaim they were first to hate him. "I hated him starting in 2002." Yeah, f***ing right. With some, there is no winning. I seriously see zero people who like everything, but I can actually look at 'recent posts' on a lot of people and just notice the same names making the same threads, weekly, yearly, I've been here since 2007 and there are posters who 'don't like stuff' that have been here just as long proclaiming how smart they are to not be force-fed WWE tripe. Mind you, their post counts are like triple mine, from posting in almost every live thread over the years, but hey, they're above WWE bs. I feel as though posting the MST3K mantra in each of these threads would help, but then there'd be people saying MST3K sucked, and they hated it first, and that wouldn't be cool. Not everyone shares my opinions on wrestling, but come on now. Breathe a bit. It's a television show with guys play fighting in their undies. Skip to about 1:04.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 2, 2015 16:07:57 GMT -5
Would have been awesome. A massive heat builder for the feud. WWE wouldn't dare though.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jun 2, 2015 16:09:44 GMT -5
Would have been awesome. A massive heat builder for the feud. WWE wouldn't dare though. It would be interesting but the only way they get out of it is if Cena loses his shit when Owens does that. Doesn't let him escape from it and just destroys him as violently as possible.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jun 2, 2015 16:12:36 GMT -5
Is it wrong that when I saw that segment with the kid my initial instinct was wanting Owens to say "If he was a fan of me, he would have beaten it by now"?
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Post by Derk! on Jun 2, 2015 16:16:23 GMT -5
Honestly, that would have been a profoundly "so uncomfortable I need to change the channel" moment for me. No outrage or anything, cancer is just a bit out of limits for me. Eh....I think it would have been a bit mean, but not a "change the channel" moment. Cena's promo on the other hand. That was the first time I ever cut off Raw early...
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 2, 2015 16:22:33 GMT -5
That's like me calling the other side "hysterically gullible". No need for the passive-aggression. Both above are real quotes from this very segment. Kind of harsh, if you asked me. Especially since.. you know... it's pro wrestling and whatnot. If I had more time, I'd look up Payback when people were calling Cena/Rusev the worst match of the year, or worst match in years. Or WrestleMania, where people called Cena/Rusev the worst match of the year or years. There are also threads posted the moment anything happens asking "_________ is going to happen, isn't it?" Seriously. Look it up. Cena interacts with someone. "Cena is going to beat ______, isn't he?" Roman Reigns interacts with Dean Ambrose. "Roman is turning heel on Ambrose, isn't he?" Those are just two examples of recent cynicism. You don't see a lot of the same 5/6 posters talking about things they like or enjoying the show. It's as though there's a prize for who can be the most negative. And if something dumb happens in the booking, there's like this pride "I called it. I hate this show. f*** you, WWE. f*** off, Vince! (because Vince reads this forum closely, you know)" Or with Jericho, this board had a love affair with him over the years. But recently, the guy made a few kind of stupid tweets and it was a race to proclaim they were first to hate him. "I hated him starting in 2002." Yeah, f***ing right. With some, there is no winning. I seriously see zero people who like everything, but I can actually look at 'recent posts' on a lot of people and just notice the same names making the same threads, weekly, yearly, I've been here since 2007 and there are posters who 'don't like stuff' that have been here just as long proclaiming how smart they are to not be force-fed WWE tripe. Mind you, their post counts are like triple mine, from posting in almost every live thread over the years, but hey, they're above WWE bs. I feel as though posting the MST3K mantra in each of these threads would help, but then there'd be people saying MST3K sucked, and they hated it first, and that wouldn't be cool. Not everyone shares my opinions on wrestling, but come on now. Breathe a bit. It's a television show with guys play fighting in their undies. Skip to about 1:04. Oh man. The "I was the first to hate Jericho" thing was downright comical.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 16:23:41 GMT -5
I wish he would've too, if only because I'm so sick and tired of Cena using "CANCER KIDS LIKE ME SO STOP BEING MEAN TO THEM" all the time. NO ONE actually likes cancer and wants it to kill kids, so quit f***ing acting like we want it to just because we boo you.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jun 2, 2015 16:26:45 GMT -5
Kevin Owens character may be a dick....but he is a dick to wrestlers and fans as a whole. He is NOT going to be a dick to one particular fan, especially one that already has life being a dick to him as it is.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 2, 2015 16:30:23 GMT -5
Haven't read the thread, but if they staged a heel doing that, id be perfectly fine with it within the kayfabe scope of it being a Voldemort/Ramsay Snow level pure evil supervillain type thing to do. I have absolutely zero issue with characters doing insanely revolting things in a fictional narrative. However, I'm a super minority in that respect. The reason something like that would NEVER work is because people don't direct heat and legitimate hatred to characters anymore. If they get legitimately angry over something a heel does, that venom goes directly to the writers and company in general. It would have made a heel the most hated wrestler in the world 30 years ago, but in 2015 it would just result in a PR nightmare for the company because of how angry people would be with them about allowing something like that. Which, imo, is both completely understandable, and a total shame. I like this post. Good shit.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 2, 2015 16:45:47 GMT -5
Absolutely not. Nothing is worth upsetting a child with cancer. It could be a pre-arranged thing with the kid and his family. Backstage, he'd meet all his favourites, get autographs and pictures and free merchandise. They could even incorporate that into the story and say WWE did it as a means of apologising to the poor kid for the actions of the detestable and evil Kevin Owens. It then provides John Cena with a perfect motivation to kill the guy. Everyone wins.
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Post by bmfjules on Jun 2, 2015 16:50:17 GMT -5
No. But Owens should mention it was only for the sake of that kid he did not leave him laying for the fourth time.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 2, 2015 16:50:34 GMT -5
I can't agree. I get 'heels being heels' etc, but I think hurting a sick kid just for kayfabe is a bridge too far.
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