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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 5:35:49 GMT -5
I think it's time we put together a poster FAQ. Just had a thing in AaM about not knowing you could delete/reset polls. Others said the didn't know we had autofilters. Maybe that should be the next project to work on after the sports board is set. That would be pretty good. I've pretty much picked it up in bits and pieces over the years, or from looking at quoted posts to see what people did, or random stuff in ask a mod. In the meantime, using quote is a pretty handy way to figure stuff out. Like if you don't know/remember how to embed a video, find a post from someone that did, quote them and you can see the tags and format needed to do so. Also can be funny to see where pictures come from. Like god knows how long ago I remember capturing a still picture from the "ELEVATED LIVER ENZYMES" thing from botchamania and trimming it. It's still in my photobucket. For YEARS I would see that picture be occasionally reused on here, and quote would show they weren't even hosting it, just linking to the picture I had put there 6 years ago or something. =P
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Aug 3, 2015 16:51:22 GMT -5
I don't really get the whole under a minute fight criticism. Honestly at this rate I would be disappointed if a Ronda match lasts over a minute unless it leads to the unthinkable of Ronda losing by a knockout or a submission. Like as a casual fan I'm enjoying Ronda's being UFC's version of WWE's Brock Lesnar of being the unstoppable final boss who squashes people in under a minute. Like seriously this domination of a sport is truly a once in a generation spectacle that won't be repeated again for decades to come or possibly ever. Like I'm still waiting for someone to dominate the NHL stronger than Wayne Gretzky and break his records. Still waiting..... I don't think the Wayne Gretzky comparison is all that valid, if only because of how different hockey is now than it was then. Goaltenders are so much bigger, stronger, and more athletic than they were in #99's day, and so is their equipment. The gap between the best and worst players in the league is so much tighter, even a useless lump like Tanner Glass is more talented than the worst hangers-on straggling around in the 80s and early 90s, even taking expansion into account. Not to mention that if you even thought about looking at Gretzky the wrong way, here came Tony Twist or Marty McSorley to rip your eyeballs out and shove them down your throat. Crosby, Tavares, and Toews aren't getting that kind of protection. There's also much more obstruction in the game now than there was in 99's heyday (and it's especially crept back into the game the last 2 seasons. Nobody even hit 90 points last season!) Nobody's ever touching Gretzky's records. The sport has changed too much. But similarly, by the time you see a large number of UFC women's fighters that are comparably talented to Rousey (even if never quite being quite as dominant), the state of women's MMA will have changed too, and there won't be even close to as big as talent gap between the top fighter and everyone else.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 17:02:07 GMT -5
I don't really get the whole under a minute fight criticism. Honestly at this rate I would be disappointed if a Ronda match lasts over a minute unless it leads to the unthinkable of Ronda losing by a knockout or a submission. Like as a casual fan I'm enjoying Ronda's being UFC's version of WWE's Brock Lesnar of being the unstoppable final boss who squashes people in under a minute. Like seriously this domination of a sport is truly a once in a generation spectacle that won't be repeated again for decades to come or possibly ever. Like I'm still waiting for someone to dominate the NHL stronger than Wayne Gretzky and break his records. Still waiting..... I don't think the Wayne Gretzky comparison is all that valid, if only because of how different hockey is now than it was then. Goaltenders are so much bigger, stronger, and more athletic than they were in #99's day, and so is their equipment. The gap between the best and worst players in the league is so much tighter, even a useless lump like Tanner Glass is more talented than the worst hangers-on straggling around in the 80s and early 90s, even taking expansion into account. Not to mention that if you even thought about looking at Gretzky the wrong way, here came Tony Twist or Marty McSorley to rip your eyeballs out and shove them down your throat. Crosby, Tavares, and Toews aren't getting that kind of protection. There's also much more obstruction in the game now than there was in 99's heyday (and it's especially crept back into the game the last 2 seasons. Nobody even hit 90 points last season!) Nobody's ever touching Gretzky's records. The sport has changed too much. And similarly, by the time you see a large number of UFC women's fighters that are comparably talented to Rousey (even if never quite being quite as dominant), the state of women's MMA will have changed too, and there won't be even close to as big as talent gap between the top fighter and everyone else. Well I meant a little bit less on breaking Gretzky's records since I doubt that'll ever happen unless they make the rink bigger, goalie equipment smaller, and the nets bigger. But I mean one player that is head and shoulders above everyone else in the league. Like a guy who constantly has 15-30 points more every season than the #2 lead scorer of the season regardless of overall points kind of like Gretzky was. Like I agree in many instances today's athletes are way better than athletes of the past because they train better, are bigger, stronger, faster, technology has made it easier to watch and learn about the game and it's past, history has more references of what works and what doesn't work, and it's more competitive and harder to make it in the major leagues than it was before. Like Crosby was almost that guy until he kept getting injured. I guess Ovechkin is sort of there on the goal scoring department and actually has a very dark horse chance of breaking Gretzky's record of most overall goals believe it or not. But yeah a big part of Rousey being so dominant was that she is one of the few girls in MMA to have insane competitive athletic background throughout her entire life starting with being a Olympist Judo competitor while many of the other girls competing lived normal lives working regular day jobs only just a few years ago. Eventually just like what happened in UFC when it started with practically being an open challenge to regular tough guys, it'll be overtaken by a series of former competitive athletic prodigy's that been training hard since childhood. Edit: Made a couple of edits to read over in case you quote my older post. Just a heads up. My bad.
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Post by "Dashing" Dr.VonPhoenix on Aug 3, 2015 20:23:47 GMT -5
All that money, all that success, and the man still can't process that having predetermined outcomes doesn't make the athleticism or risks taken by these athletes any less real than in competitive sports. What a douchebag. I have no reason to be adult or sophisticated about this: f*** you, Dana White. Eat a bowl of dicks.
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Post by Andy Martin on Aug 3, 2015 20:36:30 GMT -5
Dude, you're currently hoping that Phil Brooks, a former pro-wrestler and one of the most prolific in the past 10 or so years, will be your next draw now that you've lost Silva, Bones & possibly Rousey in the near future. He'd be nothing resembling a draw if it wasn't for wrestling, so shut your hole, you f***ing goober. Hell, you can pretty much guarantee that anyone who's in the UFC with an amateur wrestling background has taken a try at pro wrestling. Matt Hughes, Rampage, Dan Henderson, they've all given it a go. Granted, they've not been successful, but they've obviously thought enough of it to give it a try. I don't see young Phillip being as big a draw as some think he will be(for a variety of reasons. So right now that really leaves them with McGregor and Rousey(though Weidman, hopefully, becomes a bigger draw because he deserves it)
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 3, 2015 21:20:06 GMT -5
Dude, you're currently hoping that Phil Brooks, a former pro-wrestler and one of the most prolific in the past 10 or so years, will be your next draw now that you've lost Silva, Bones & possibly Rousey in the near future. He'd be nothing resembling a draw if it wasn't for wrestling, so shut your hole, you f***ing goober. Hell, you can pretty much guarantee that anyone who's in the UFC with an amateur wrestling background has taken a try at pro wrestling. Matt Hughes, Rampage, Dan Henderson, they've all given it a go. Granted, they've not been successful, but they've obviously thought enough of it to give it a try. I don't see young Phillip being as big a draw as some think he will be(for a variety of reasons. So right now that really leaves them with McGregor and Rousey(though Weidman, hopefully, becomes a bigger draw because he deserves it) And are they really going to try to make him a draw? I know people are throwing words like "tomato can" around, but isn't Punk SUPPOSED to start at the bottom and work his way up?
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Post by Andy Martin on Aug 3, 2015 21:23:13 GMT -5
I don't see young Phillip being as big a draw as some think he will be(for a variety of reasons. So right now that really leaves them with McGregor and Rousey(though Weidman, hopefully, becomes a bigger draw because he deserves it) And are they really going to try to make him a draw? I know people are throwing words like "tomato can" around, but isn't Punk SUPPOSED to start at the bottom and work his way up? I don't think they would have brought in a guy with no professional record, no amateur record, and no real background in anything besides pro wrestling if they didn't plan on trying to use him as a draw.(Or at least attempting to)
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Post by Muskrat on Aug 3, 2015 21:30:38 GMT -5
Wrestlers should focus on selling the upside to being scripted, namely, the audience gets their money's worth. It's fake, yes. But main events in wrestling tend to last longer than 34 seconds. That's basically the exact line Hunter always uses when asked about UFC as competition
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 23:06:51 GMT -5
Wrestlers should focus on selling the upside to being scripted, namely, the audience gets their money's worth. It's fake, yes. But main events in wrestling tend to last longer than 34 seconds. Honestly, even not being an MMA fan that 34 seconds was more fun than any PPV-ending match WWE's done this year.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Aug 3, 2015 23:46:30 GMT -5
Dana shits on pro wrestling and what does the WWE do? Play it cool, they even plug Ronda's victory and had footage courtesy of the UFC.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 1:18:58 GMT -5
I don't really get the whole under a minute fight criticism. Honestly at this rate I would be disappointed if a Ronda match lasts over a minute unless it leads to the unthinkable of Ronda losing by a knockout or a submission. Like as a casual fan I'm enjoying Ronda's being UFC's version of WWE's Brock Lesnar of being the unstoppable final boss who squashes people in under a minute. Like seriously this domination of a sport is truly a once in a generation spectacle that won't be repeated again for decades to come or possibly ever. Like I'm still waiting for someone to dominate the NHL stronger than Wayne Gretzky and break his records. Still waiting..... I made a thread about this very thing a few months back. officialfan.proboards.com/thread/519044/mma-fight-times-matterAs an outsider looking in, Rousey reminds me more of Goldberg than Lesnar, hard hitting matches that are really short. What was the problem with Goldberg? When he first lost, it was through goofy shenanigans. As such, the aura of Goldberg took a hit, and WCW could never recapture the magic. With Rousey, I see something similar. If she loses, and she likely will, it's probably going to be something that will kill the draw of Rousey, be it a knockout, tapout, or decision loss. Even if one is 'real' and the other is 'fake', the biggest difference between MMA and professional wrestling is that there are still draws, or at least the idea of draws, in MMA. The problem with MMA, at least UFC MMA, is that White puts all of his eggs in one basket, and it blows up in his face. Lesnar's diverticulitis, GSP retiring, Silva's leg injury, Jones' criminal problems. With Rousey, if she doesn't lose, she'll become so big of a star that she'll leave and either do wrestling or Hollywood (or both). It could be more than a coincidence maybe that Punk's MMA deal is a result of White anticipating that Rousey's going to bail. But back to the idea of short matches, which relates to draws, if you spend $60 on a show solely to watch Rousey fight and the match can be summed up in a GIF, do you as a fan get your money's worth? Now the answer to that will always be subjective, for some yes and others no. UFC has already increased PPV costs to $50 for a standard def show and $60 for a hi-def show (when he said in the past he wouldn't). In order to get people to actually fork out that much, presumably he has to rely on draws to sell the show. But with UFC MMA with its eggs in one basket model, I don't see how it can continue to be successful (or, as successful as it currently is). On one hand, White won't make the big money matches out of fear that he'll kill both draws, like the much wanted GSP vs. Silva fight. On the other hand, how much money does White leave on the table by *not* making that match in the first place? With Rousey, the novelty of her Goldberg streak will wear off as she beats the Glaciers and the Jerry Flynns of UFC WMMA. It seems like a catch 22: risk hurting her drawing power by making a must-see match where she might actually lose, or try to convince people that Rousey vs. a non-draw is worth parting with $60. And all this assumes that Rousey would stick around... I think the initial Twitter exchange raises an interesting point, and a problem for UFC. The WWE Network may give you more bang for your buck, your 9.99 (or 11.99 here in Canada), but fans are also not just getting PPVs. They're getting thousands of hours of content. UFC doesn't have the same amount of content to monetize were it to try a UFC network. Maybe a MMA network, with UFC as the main draw, would work? I don't know for sure. Even if the WWE Network gives fans more for less, it's still not the most healthy economic endeavour on which the company pins its hopes (see the recently rumoured $4.99 one-off PPV show talk). So it *is* apples and oranges in many ways, but both are still fruit, and there are a lot of things that come up besides real/fake or the match lengths that need to factor into the conversation. I think the biggest factor is how much UFC makes from bars showing their PPV's that have a cover fee. With my experience, more people watch UFC PPV's as a social event than watching it home alone or a small group of friends. So in a casuals point of few the novelty of watching a fight that finishes faster before your sip of beer hasn't gotten old yet. But I appreciate the write up man. I also just read Ronda is going to be starring in her own biopic and this might be the last chance she can prove to herself to Hollywood since she was a major bore with some terrible acting in Expendables 3 and Furious 7. In that case she better stick with MMA or fleece Vince to have a major sweet high paying part time gig
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 4, 2015 1:24:57 GMT -5
I don't see young Phillip being as big a draw as some think he will be(for a variety of reasons. So right now that really leaves them with McGregor and Rousey(though Weidman, hopefully, becomes a bigger draw because he deserves it) And are they really going to try to make him a draw? I know people are throwing words like "tomato can" around, but isn't Punk SUPPOSED to start at the bottom and work his way up? Starting your career in the UFC is a bit like playing your first ever basketball game in the NBA. Punk got signed because of who he was, any other new fight er would train and fight at local events for a while before getting sniffed at by White. As for tomato cans, that's jsut a term for a guy paid to lose. He's not a bottom tier fighter, he's a guy brought in to give a win to the guy he's fighting against. It's incredibly common in boxing for a variety of reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 1:57:16 GMT -5
Dana shits on pro wrestling and what does the WWE do? Play it cool, they even plug Ronda's victory and had footage courtesy of the UFC. To be fair I'm sure WWE is doing that more along the lines of building up Ronda who is most likely going to get a match at Wrestlemania this year. Plus she's a legit fan who I'm sure is well liked by most people in the WWE and was close to Rowdy Piper as well.
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Post by kidglov3s on Aug 4, 2015 2:07:17 GMT -5
I made a thread about this very thing a few months back. officialfan.proboards.com/thread/519044/mma-fight-times-matterAs an outsider looking in, Rousey reminds me more of Goldberg than Lesnar, hard hitting matches that are really short. What was the problem with Goldberg? When he first lost, it was through goofy shenanigans. As such, the aura of Goldberg took a hit, and WCW could never recapture the magic. With Rousey, I see something similar. If she loses, and she likely will, it's probably going to be something that will kill the draw of Rousey, be it a knockout, tapout, or decision loss. Even if one is 'real' and the other is 'fake', the biggest difference between MMA and professional wrestling is that there are still draws, or at least the idea of draws, in MMA. The problem with MMA, at least UFC MMA, is that White puts all of his eggs in one basket, and it blows up in his face. Lesnar's diverticulitis, GSP retiring, Silva's leg injury, Jones' criminal problems. With Rousey, if she doesn't lose, she'll become so big of a star that she'll leave and either do wrestling or Hollywood (or both). It could be more than a coincidence maybe that Punk's MMA deal is a result of White anticipating that Rousey's going to bail. But back to the idea of short matches, which relates to draws, if you spend $60 on a show solely to watch Rousey fight and the match can be summed up in a GIF, do you as a fan get your money's worth? Now the answer to that will always be subjective, for some yes and others no. UFC has already increased PPV costs to $50 for a standard def show and $60 for a hi-def show (when he said in the past he wouldn't). In order to get people to actually fork out that much, presumably he has to rely on draws to sell the show. But with UFC MMA with its eggs in one basket model, I don't see how it can continue to be successful (or, as successful as it currently is). On one hand, White won't make the big money matches out of fear that he'll kill both draws, like the much wanted GSP vs. Silva fight. On the other hand, how much money does White leave on the table by *not* making that match in the first place? With Rousey, the novelty of her Goldberg streak will wear off as she beats the Glaciers and the Jerry Flynns of UFC WMMA. It seems like a catch 22: risk hurting her drawing power by making a must-see match where she might actually lose, or try to convince people that Rousey vs. a non-draw is worth parting with $60. And all this assumes that Rousey would stick around... I think the initial Twitter exchange raises an interesting point, and a problem for UFC. The WWE Network may give you more bang for your buck, your 9.99 (or 11.99 here in Canada), but fans are also not just getting PPVs. They're getting thousands of hours of content. UFC doesn't have the same amount of content to monetize were it to try a UFC network. Maybe a MMA network, with UFC as the main draw, would work? I don't know for sure. Even if the WWE Network gives fans more for less, it's still not the most healthy economic endeavour on which the company pins its hopes (see the recently rumoured $4.99 one-off PPV show talk). So it *is* apples and oranges in many ways, but both are still fruit, and there are a lot of things that come up besides real/fake or the match lengths that need to factor into the conversation. I think the biggest factor is how much UFC makes from bars showing their PPV's that have a cover fee. With my experience, more people watch UFC PPV's as a social event than watching it home alone or a small group of friends. So in a casuals point of few the novelty of watching a fight that finishes faster before your sip of beer hasn't gotten old yet. But I appreciate the write up man. I also just read Ronda is going to be starring in her own biopic and this might be the last chance she can prove to herself to Hollywood since she was a major bore with some terrible acting in Expendables 3 and Furious 7. In that case she better stick with MMA or fleece Vince to have a major sweet high paying part time gig I thought she was ok in Expendables, terrible in Furious 7 and great in Entourage. She was in Entourage quite a bit, playing herself, and she was the best part of the movie. I think a little of her goes a long way, though, and don't really have high expectations for a feature length movie of that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 2:09:36 GMT -5
I think the biggest factor is how much UFC makes from bars showing their PPV's that have a cover fee. With my experience, more people watch UFC PPV's as a social event than watching it home alone or a small group of friends. So in a casuals point of few the novelty of watching a fight that finishes faster before your sip of beer hasn't gotten old yet. But I appreciate the write up man. I also just read Ronda is going to be starring in her own biopic and this might be the last chance she can prove to herself to Hollywood since she was a major bore with some terrible acting in Expendables 3 and Furious 7. In that case she better stick with MMA or fleece Vince to have a major sweet high paying part time gig I thought she was ok in Expendables, terrible in Furious 7 and great in Entourage. She was in Entourage quite a bit, playing herself, and she was the best part of the movie. I think a little of her goes a long way, though, and don't really have high expectations for a feature length movie of that. I totally forgot there was an Entourage movie. If nobody seen it does it count? I still am shocked they actually made a wide theatrical release entourage movie. Like you think it would be marked as an exclusive HBO film or extended reunion episode
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Post by kidglov3s on Aug 4, 2015 2:16:24 GMT -5
I thought she was ok in Expendables, terrible in Furious 7 and great in Entourage. She was in Entourage quite a bit, playing herself, and she was the best part of the movie. I think a little of her goes a long way, though, and don't really have high expectations for a feature length movie of that. I totally forgot there was an Entourage movie. If nobody seen it does it count? I still am shocked they actually made a wide theatrical release entourage movie. Like you think it would be marked as an exclusive HBO film or extended reunion episode I was surprised they made it too, and even more surprised that I enjoyed it having never seen the show and being put off by douchiness (made an odd double bill with Ex Machina, though).
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Aug 4, 2015 3:37:21 GMT -5
Cool, I'd rather see people pretend to cripple each other than actually do it.
Seriously, I bet in 10 years UFC has 40 times the amount of CTE suffering alumni than WWE
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 4, 2015 3:45:32 GMT -5
I thought she was ok in Expendables, terrible in Furious 7 and great in Entourage. She was in Entourage quite a bit, playing herself, and she was the best part of the movie. I think a little of her goes a long way, though, and don't really have high expectations for a feature length movie of that. Although I mocked her a bit in the "Would you let Ronda kick your ass?" thread for her lack of acting ability, I think it's unfair to judge her based on Expendables 3 and Furious 7. In the former she had about three lines and the latter she had one (badly-delivered as it was).
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Aug 4, 2015 5:56:18 GMT -5
Dude, you're currently hoping that Phil Brooks, a former pro-wrestler and one of the most prolific in the past 10 or so years, will be your next draw now that you've lost Silva, Bones & possibly Rousey in the near future. He'd be nothing resembling a draw if it wasn't for wrestling, so shut your hole, you f***ing goober. Hell, you can pretty much guarantee that anyone who's in the UFC with an amateur wrestling background has taken a try at pro wrestling. Matt Hughes, Rampage, Dan Henderson, they've all given it a go. Granted, they've not been successful, but they've obviously thought enough of it to give it a try. I don't see young Phillip being as big a draw as some think he will be(for a variety of reasons. So right now that really leaves them with McGregor and Rousey(though Weidman, hopefully, becomes a bigger draw because he deserves it) Oh, I don't think he'll be a huge draw, but Dana's getting a bit desperate ATM, and Punk's at least gonna bring a bit of a spike in viewership, so he's probably happy to have that. But long term, he's probably gonna have a couple of matches with scrubs, then hit the bricks.
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Post by fortknox on Aug 4, 2015 9:12:34 GMT -5
Here is a list of some of the fighters White has lined up for Punk.
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