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Post by Mister Pigwell on Aug 6, 2015 21:40:26 GMT -5
I admit it, arguing about chicken joints lead to the downfall.
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WWEedy
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Post by WWEedy on Aug 6, 2015 21:41:36 GMT -5
1. Dixie Carter The captain of the ship. 2. Vince Russo Either the head idiot in charge, or the heat shield for the real head idiot in charge. 3. Hogan & Bischoff Everything and every idea turned to complete s***. 4. Jeff Hardy Killed TNA's credibility in one match. 5. Jeff Jarrett Made it abundantly clear TNA was going to be all about himself. It only started to catch fire when he stepped away. 6. Kurt Angle A drugged-up dope just like Hardy. The only difference is his f*** ups happen outside the ring. Repeatedly. 7. Dutch Mantel The third piece of the horrid booking trinity of '07-'09. Known to be responsible for that Last Rites match between Sting and Abyss.8. Morasca & Sharmell 'Nuff said. 9. The Beautiful People Responsible, perhaps indirectly, for turning the Knockouts from everything the Divas wasn't into everything wrong with the Divas and then some. 10. AJ Styles His departure made it clear TNA was finished. Just want to point out that Mantel has gone on record denying he had anything to do with the "Last Rites Match" and that that was all Vince Russo's idea. Much like everyone else does when it comes down to their supposed bullshit and the easy scapegoat that Vince Russo is. I'm not saying I like the guy and I'm not saying he didn't book some atrocious TV Wrestling but it's pretty obvious that he's taking a lot of heat for a lot of shit he didn't do as well because the IWC and Smarks in general have made him into the easy target.
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Post by Main Eventer on Aug 6, 2015 22:02:33 GMT -5
1. Dixie Carter 2. Hulk Hogan 3. Eric Bischoff 4. Vince Russo 5. Dixie's Emails 6. {Spoiler}{Spoiler} Bigfoot 7. Whoever said that the TNA fans were cast members 8. Khoya 9. Jeff Hardy 10. Rosie Lottalove
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King Devitt
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Post by King Devitt on Aug 6, 2015 22:34:45 GMT -5
1. Dixie Carter 2. Hulk Hogan 3. Dixie Carter 4. Eric Bischoff 5. Dixie Carter 6. Vince Russo 7. Dixie Carter 8. Bob Carter 9. Janice Carter 10. Dixie Carter this is almost my list exactly except it's missing Jeff Jarrett.
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Post by Psy on Aug 6, 2015 22:50:25 GMT -5
I saw I had a notification on my profile, and was surprised to learn I'd been tagged in a thread. Then I clicked through, saw the name of the thread and thought, "That's fair."
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 6, 2015 22:57:33 GMT -5
My Cow Blood shirt came in the mail with rips and chocolate stains on it, alongside a stained note that Samoa Joe forgot to send to the ShopTNA guys for letting him handle that day's shippings. Of course I was gonna ask for a refund.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 6, 2015 23:06:07 GMT -5
10. Bob Ryder, for even proposing the weekly ppv concept which failed from the beginning.
09. Jerry Jarrett, for not standing up to his son about Russo's involvement, he should've had the final saying since it was his money.
08. Jay Schusman (I think that was his last name) he gave the Jarrett's fake ppv numbers thereby they went over budget and ended up selling it to the Carters.
07. Bob Carter, for enabling her daughters idiocy.
06. Jeremy Borash, he started the tradition of alienating fans using social media, which they all adopted sooner.
05. Hulk Hogan, reason I'm not putting him higher is because while he did damage, it was only for a couple of years, and I'm sure he didn't came up with creative, I think Bischoff ran the strings.
04. Eric Bischoff, he ran creative in my opinion, I think he came up with aces and eights, amongst other bullshit, another reason I'm not putting him higher on the list is because he wasn't in charge of merchandising and handling the money.
03. Jeff Jarrett, for booking himself as the main event, even though he's a midcarder for life (even his dad said that Jeff wasn't championship material), he booked really bad bullshit early on, he chose Russo over his dad, he put his ego before his company.
02. Dixie Carter, only reason I'm not putting her number one was because she was influenced by this f***ing moron.
01. Vince Russo, if Dixie is Darth Vader, this is f***ing Palpatine. Amongst his sins were, calling up with the name TNA, reverse battle royal, the casket match that he blames on Dutch, booking the red bird cage, burying Samoa Joe, amongts other things, he's the reason LOLTNA exists and will never escape that stigma.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 23:27:23 GMT -5
1 - Dixie Carter from Designing Women 2 - Dixie Carter, TNA President 3 - Hulk Hogan 4 - Armbar 5 - Eric Bischoff 6 - Test 7 - Vince Russo 8 - Bob Carter 9 - ennui 10 - You guessed it, Frank Stallone
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Post by jimmyjames on Aug 6, 2015 23:30:38 GMT -5
1. Dixie Carter. 2. Eric Bischoff 3. Hulk Hogan 4. Vince Russo 5. Bob and Janice Carter 6. Bruce Pritchard 7. Kurt Angle 8. Jeff Jarrett 9. Mike Tenay and Taz 10. Whoever the hell is in charge of programming at Destination America.
If anyone wants explanation, just ask.
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MrBRulzOK
Wade Wilson
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Something Witty Here.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Aug 6, 2015 23:46:29 GMT -5
1-9. Everybody they hired from WCW when that ship went down. 10. Dixie Carter
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Post by benstudd on Aug 7, 2015 1:50:33 GMT -5
Everybody underrate JJ's involvement in TNA's failure. None of their homegrown guys ever got to have ANY legitimacy to be able to carry this company into a bold new era. Whether it was cause he was always the champ or cause former WWE/WCW stars kept coming in stealing the thunder off everybody. Even if it was having AJ Styles be Christian's bitch or Angle winning his 3-matches series against Joe winning all the belts.
Jarrett kept being Champ far too long and the guy NEVER trusted anybody else to have that position. Not only it hurt the guys on the roster but since JJ was a bland out-of-date hillbilly, him being the flag bearer of the company kept it from taking the next step and join the modern age, a fresh new progressive age of wrestling. One that may have surpassed even the WWE in quality and in the buzz it would create in and out of wrestling.
TNA under JJ's leadership failed to make Joe the guy right after he had his X Division run. 2006 was the time for it and they kept pulling back on him. I remember at some point Joe having a match against Jarrett and it became a sort of "strap match" whatever and it wasn't even for the title. They always had him stay away from the top title. That year, the main event of BFG was Sting vs JJ to struck JJ's ego....when really it should have been a passing of the torch with Joe making JJ's tap and win the title to become the flag bearer.
I'll give JJ's kudos to keep TNA afloat but because of his outdated views, they never made the next step and all the TNA guys were made to look like jobbers to older stars. Which made the TNA brand pathetic. That is why people still talk about Roode's 2012 run, cause it was the first time TNA gave the ball to one of their own and that guy carried the company. I remember people from outside praising TNA and Roode's work like The Rock and other guys. And at that time, JJ was not in change of anything.
A positive JJ brought was good PPV. In that, before Hogan's reign, before JJ was fired in late 09, whatever shitty product TNA was, whatever shit booking on Impact, from 02 to 09 at least you would be assured of quality matches on PPV every month(even if there were a few misstep there and there too like the electric cage crapfest). But he was detrimental about everything else. Also they seemed to make money when he was there.
Other people responsible from TNA's demise are the agents over the years especially since 09. Remember all the bad finishes like the "roll-ups"? Also going to TNA's credentials, there's 3 people working with Dixie, they have roles like Vice President of this and that. Well these guys, whatever they've done have sucked at their job whether it's promotion or whatever. We say Dixie was bad at promoting the brand and was a bad businesswoman, well these three guys were with her every step of the way. Don't seem to be very good at their job.
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Aya Reiko
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Post by Aya Reiko on Aug 7, 2015 3:32:22 GMT -5
A positive JJ brought was good PPV. In that, before Hogan's reign, before JJ was fired in late 09, whatever shitty product TNA was, whatever shit booking on Impact, from 02 to 09 at least you would be assured of quality matched on PPV every month. But he was detrimental about everything else. That's debatable. Before Victory Road 2011 became the end all to end all of bad PPVs, there was Victory Road 2009. Many of the PPVs from '07 to '09 definitely not on par with the PPVs from before. All of those were the ones with Jarrett on watch.
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Nosnorb
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Post by Nosnorb on Aug 7, 2015 4:35:46 GMT -5
Everybody underrate JJ's involvement in TNA's failure. None of their homegrown guys ever got to have ANY legitimacy to be able carry this company into a bold new era. Whether it was cause he was always the champ or cause former WWE/WCW stars kept coming in stealing the thunder of everybody. Even if it was having AJ Styles be Christian's bitch or Angle winning his 3-matches series against Joe winning all the belts. Jarrett kept being Champ and the guy far too long, NEVER trusted anybody else to have that position. Not only it hurt the guys on the roster but since JJ was a bland out-of-date hillbilly, him being the flag bearer of the company kept it from taking the next step and join a modern age. I'll give JJ'S kudos to keep TNA affloat but because of his outdated views, they never made the next step and all the TNA guys were made to look like jobbers to older stars. Which made the TNA band pathetic. That is why people still talk Roode's 2012 run, cause it was the first time TNA gave the ball to one of their own and that guy carried the company. I remember people from outside praising TNA and Roode's work like The Rock. And at that time, JJ was not in change of anything. Remember, Roode was supposed to win the TNA title at Bound for Glory as a face (as TNA had planned in the summer of that year), but then Hogan came along and buried Roode, and had the title match result changed so Angle, with a torn hamstring adding to all his other injuries, retained when Roode had his feet under the ropes and Angle used them to hold Roode down. Remember, Hulk in those interviews said nothing about the Roode heel run in 2007-08, when he was a massive heat magnet, and almost everyone was behind Roode to win the title at Bound for Glory as a face. As well as Angle, Roode also worked with an injured Storm (concussion) and AJ Styles was also carrying an injury. So as well as a heel turn out of nowhere, Roode had to deal with working with injured opponents in his title matches. So even when TNA gave the ball to one of their own, he had to deal with all that as well, and there were so many finishes that did nothing for both guys, or made them look like idiots (the chair spot with Sting, and the carbon copy finish from WCW for the Storm-Roode cage match). Its a testament to how good Roode was at getting heat, and how good he was at wrestling, that he got so much heat when he was the champ. And still TNA didn't get fully behind him. And the Reign of Terror of Jarrett was not quite as bad as the Triple H one (no Katie Vick or HHH going KKK), but it was still awful, especially as R-Truth, AJ Styles, Raven and Rhyno had reigns that should have lasted longer, and the title would then be held by Jarrett for ages. Raven dropped the title at a house show for another promotion. R-Truth, Jerry Lynn, Chris Harris (he had a singles run when Storm was injured and the fans got behind that fully, then he lost to Slap Nuts) and AJ Styles should have been the guys that TNA was built around in those early days, but it was Jarrett that held the main title, and the booking of the Tag and X -Divisions was all over the place, so a figurehead could not emerge from there. As for Christian, remember he was red hot in 2005 - he was getting cheered over Batista and Cena, and at one stage had the best selling T- Shirt. The guy was on fire, but because Vince hates him, he was exiled to Smackdown without Tomko and then buried. So it was good that TNA gave him the opportunity, but for every guy from WWE that was not given a shot up north and deserved to be main event (The Pope), there was a guy that was given a chance and screwed the pooch, was not better than the guys they already had, or was just in TNA to pad their pensions. And more often than not, those would be the guys that were in the main event. And while AJ Styles should not have been in the Christian Coalition (that spot should have been given to someone else), he was really entertaining in it, and that group was excellent. Shame about AJ Styles becoming the goon of Angle and the career destroying, Russoesque heel turn of Tomko.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Aug 7, 2015 5:58:23 GMT -5
IDK how people blame Russo.. While he's not the best booker ever he certainly was better than Dusty Jim Cornett, and who ever booked Hogan's stay.(I know Russo had a small role in that part but nothing really major) The times he was a booker was probably the best times in tna. TNA Russo is kind of bizarre. there were times when he was actually booking a halfway decent product, but probably around a few months before Hogan and Bischoff showed up the wheels were already coming off. then he got fired. then when he got back he was in full 2000 WCW mode.
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Johnny Flamingo
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Aug 7, 2015 7:38:23 GMT -5
1. Panda Energy - as owners of the company whoever is in charge of Panda's financials should have put a stop to TNA's mistakes in what ultimately made the promotion not profitable and for allowing Dixie Carter to turn what was once a highly regarded promotion into a highly toxic one.
2. Dixie Carter - Ran a company and became apparent early on that she had no idea how to run a wrestling promotion. Allowed herself to be suckered in by guys who ultimately killed off TNA. Plus she let AJ Styles go, which may have been the single stupidest roster move I've ever seen a promoter make. Seriously, how in the hell do you let AJ Frickin Styles leave?
3. Jeff Jarrett - First person to run TNA and allowed it to be saddled with an absolutely horrible and unmarketable name. Also made himself the focus of the show when the spotlight should have never been on him but on the younger workers.
4. Vince Russo - When you blame everyone else instead of yourself for problems, you have no chance.
5. Eric Bischoff - Helped drive the first nails into TNA. Many of the decisions were questionable and seemed like he was stuck in the past and only using TNA to promote himself.
6. Hulk Hofan - see Bischoff
7. Jeff Hardy - Brought a ton of embarrassment to TNA and by showing up in the condition he did to main event a PPV was a huge blow and embarrassment to the company
8. Kurt Angle - Playing a Randy the Ram character in real life is just sad and also makes TNA look bad for letting someone like that on screen where you hope you don't witness a real-life catastrophe when he's in the ring.
9. Road Agents or whoever allowed Jeff Hardy to appear live in that condition in the first place. Once he showed up in that condition they should have pulled him off the card.
10. Not a person but the 6-sided ring. Some people (myself included) just find it odd to watch a match in that ring and I myself hate watching matches in that ring as I find it makes many matches seem awkward at best. Have some friends who have also not given TNA a chance due to the ring. Despite making TNA unique I find it didn't add anything to the product and also prevented some from giving it a chance.
To quote Lance Storm
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Post by joeiscool on Aug 7, 2015 7:47:24 GMT -5
IDK how people blame Russo.. While he's not the best booker ever he certainly was better than Dusty Jim Cornett, and who ever booked Hogan's stay.(I know Russo had a small role in that part but nothing really major) The times he was a booker was probably the best times in tna. TNA Russo is kind of bizarre. there were times when he was actually booking a halfway decent product, but probably around a few months before Hogan and Bischoff showed up the wheels were already coming off. then he got fired. then when he got back he was in full 2000 WCW mode. I distinctly remember before hogan showing up being a really good time...
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Madagascar Fred
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Aug 7, 2015 7:48:06 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan Eric Bischoff Vince Russo Jeff Jarrett Dixie Carter Bob Ryder John Gaburick Serg Kurt Angle Bob and Janice Carter (In no particular order) /Thread
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Aug 7, 2015 8:03:38 GMT -5
Vince McMahon.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Aug 7, 2015 8:25:18 GMT -5
1. Dixie Carter: She doesn't know how to run a wrestling company and I wonder if she even knows how to run a business with her lack of how you promote a product. She brought into the crap the the biggest egos in wrestling feed her. Clearly never once researched a wrestlers back ground and ALLOWING Jeff Hardy go on PPV in the way he did killing the company reputation and was the last straw in the PPV market which again no clue how the PPV works because everything that matters happens on Impact.
2. Vince Russo: I people want to defend him but no matter what he did, ratings stuck at the same spot. He was the booker longer than anybody as he was more bad than good. Most angles sounded like a good idea but was rushed and in favor against the "Name" talent.
3. Jeff Jarrett: His I have to be in the ME and World champion to feed his own ego. Even though fans never brought into him as a MEer and most fan couldn't stand him. Some reason he saw himself the guy who should be on Spike as champion on the debut so he screws Raven and Raven of course NEVER got any kind of rematch or another shot period at the title. Jarrett ego got in the way of a lot of things.
4. Hulk Hogan: Anybody knows Hogan is only for Hogan. So why would you put him in some power role backstage even if he never booked a show in his life. Bring in EVEN MORE OVER The Hill "names" that added NOTHING to the show. Bleed the money dry from TNA making them in the situation they are in today.
5. Eric Bischoff: Much like Hogan, money, money, money, and why would you put your own Son on National TV to wrestle when clearly he wasn't ready and not even close to being good.
6. John Gaburick All he ever was, was a producer for the orginal Tough Enough in the WWE. That means nothing for saying I'm qualified to be head of talent relations and about every wrestler fans care about left.
7. Serg: Some reason TNA theme music was for his singing career with Dale. Married to Dixie and don't see why good he brings to TNA if anything.
8. Bob and Janice: Giving the daughter all this money to run a company that isn't making money and does nothing to change it. Good idea.
9. The guy who lied about TNA PPV buys in the first few weeks that made the Jarrett's go over budget. The reason why the Carters go involved to start with.
10. TNA production: A lot of stuff got on air that should never made it on air making the show come off bad and B rated. Change the channel and drop the title making it on TV when the top champion is out there all the way to the "n" word airing on TV in this day and age. Again not smart.
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Push R Truth
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Post by Push R Truth on Aug 7, 2015 8:40:19 GMT -5
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