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Post by benstudd on Aug 12, 2015 22:08:20 GMT -5
The reason why I didn'tt blame Angle so much is because from 06 to 09 he was still one ofe the best in the business on camera and still shown some of that from 09 to 2013. Match quality wise still had his moments and he was a big signing at the time he did and should have been a bigger deal for TNA then it was because of the lack of marketing. I would say Jeff Hardy if it wasn't being so good once he came back clean after Victory road.The matches where very good. There's not a lot of reasons to blame Kurt Angle, he was great. I just wish they had not fed Joe to him. Joe should have been the one getting all the titles. Joe was the young man that TNA should have invested their future on, not Angle. Also Angle had great matches in 2010, two against AJ, one against Hardy, one against Mr. Anderson in the cage.
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Post by markymark on Aug 13, 2015 11:21:23 GMT -5
The reason why I didn'tt blame Angle so much is because from 06 to 09 he was still one ofe the best in the business on camera and still shown some of that from 09 to 2013. Match quality wise still had his moments and he was a big signing at the time he did and should have been a bigger deal for TNA then it was because of the lack of marketing. I would say Jeff Hardy if it wasn't being so good once he came back clean after Victory road.The matches where very good. There's not a lot of reasons to blame Kurt Angle, he was great. I just wish they had not fed Joe to him. Joe should have been the one getting all the titles. Joe was the young man that TNA should have invested their future on, not Angle. Also Angle had great matches in 2010, two against AJ, one against Hardy, one against Mr. Anderson in the cage. All those moonsaults off the top of the cage have damaged his body. There are people who deserve more blame than Kurt, Jeff, even maybe Russo. Al Snow: Did you guys notice ever since Al Snow became a TNA producer(later Senior Producer) The Wrestling quality has decreased? And it looks very WWElite? Bruce Prichard: GUUUUTCHEECK(Gave us Kris Lewie, Tapa instead of Ivelisse) Dave Lagana: Wasnt he bashed in ROH for being a bad writer?
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Aug 13, 2015 17:08:46 GMT -5
I first read this a week ago & I have to say is yeah, probably
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Post by jimmyjames on Aug 14, 2015 1:04:50 GMT -5
The reason why I didn'tt blame Angle so much is because from 06 to 09 he was still one ofe the best in the business on camera and still shown some of that from 09 to 2013. Match quality wise still had his moments and he was a big signing at the time he did and should have been a bigger deal for TNA then it was because of the lack of marketing. I would say Jeff Hardy if it wasn't being so good once he came back clean after Victory road.The matches where very good. There's not a lot of reasons to blame Kurt Angle, he was great. I just wish they had not fed Joe to him. Joe should have been the one getting all the titles. Joe was the young man that TNA should have invested their future on, not Angle. Also Angle had great matches in 2010, two against AJ, one against Hardy, one against Mr. Anderson in the cage. It's not Kurt Angle in his first couple of years in TNA, but Kurt the last couple of years. The whole Karen/Jeff Jarrett thing, the fact that a clearly shot Kurt Angle has been champion, and his last reign completely screwed up the booking and storyline for as large part of the show and was worthless.
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Post by benstudd on Aug 15, 2015 1:51:40 GMT -5
There's not a lot of reasons to blame Kurt Angle, he was great. I just wish they had not fed Joe to him. Joe should have been the one getting all the titles. Joe was the young man that TNA should have invested their future on, not Angle. Also Angle had great matches in 2010, two against AJ, one against Hardy, one against Mr. Anderson in the cage. It's not Kurt Angle in his first couple of years in TNA, but Kurt the last couple of years. The whole Karen/Jeff Jarrett thing, the fact that a clearly shot Kurt Angle has been champion, and his last reign completely screwed up the booking and storyline for as large part of the show and was worthless. Well I wouldn't say these are things that Angle did out of nefarious intents. I don't think anybody would say that Angle was ever a political animal. If we're talking about Angle being champ recently, it wouldn't have mattered who was champ or not cause TNA was dead the moment they went to DA. Also you don't blame him for losing his wife, do you?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 2:36:39 GMT -5
Dixie Carter
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Post by NOwave on Aug 15, 2015 17:33:34 GMT -5
I agree with this in a sense. There aren’t 10 people who need to take the blame.
5. Jeff Jarrett-I have trouble assigning “blame” to Jeff. Without him, there would be no TNA. So, instead I’ll suggest what i think he could have done differently. a) Lean on his father’s advice and wisdom more. I understand there have been occasional bed feelings between Jeff and his dad, but no one on this planet has more insight on wrestling promotion, short of Vince McMahon. b) Take himself out of the title picture earlier than he did. Again, I understand why he did it-there is no one else you can fully trust in that environment. He knew that the minute any of his guys got called to WWE,(or any other better paying gig) they were gone. He HAD to put the title on himself at first, but he should have gotten it to someone else sooner. c) Trusting Dixie Carter too much. Granted, she and Panda Energy were the only investors they could find, but she should have been forced to become more of a silent partner.
4. Eric Bischoff-Clearly Easy E was far more concerned about himself than he was TNA, and he was STILL wrapped around Hogan’s finger. On the plus side, Eric helped the TV production side of TNA quite a bit.
3. Hulk Hogan-see above, but even more so. How many dumb ideas did he foist upon the company? And how much time did HE spend in the spotlight, rather than TNA? Worst of all was the ridiculous decision to go to Monday night against WWE.
2. Vince Russo-Crazy booking, time and time again. I’ve never understood what Jeff Jarrett saw in him. Jeff is as old school as they come in some ways, and yet he still hired Russo, with his “Crash TV" mentality, and allowed him to book the company into one silly angle after another.
1. Dixie Carter-far and away. She didn’t understand the business when she bought the company, and still doesn’t seem to. nos. 2-4 on this list are directly attributable to her. And, she is really the only person who’s had the power to turn it around. If she had just realized she needed more help from reliable sources (NOT Vince Russo, Hulk Hogan or Eric Bischoff) she might have made TNA a relative success.
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Post by Darth Stinger on Aug 16, 2015 2:04:22 GMT -5
1. D 2. I 3. X 4. I 5. E 6. C 7. A 8. R 9. T 10. R
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Post by machomuta on Aug 16, 2015 16:57:22 GMT -5
Dixie Carter should get all the blame.
She is one who hired Russo and Hogan.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 15:52:59 GMT -5
1. F***ing Gunner 2. D'Lo Brown 3. Hernandez 4. Anarquia 5. Fail Sabin 6. Velvet Sky 7. Hulk Hogan 8. Mr. Anderson 9. (Shut up) Josh Mathews 10. D'Von's Boys
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Aug 17, 2015 20:50:37 GMT -5
All the work I did sabotaging and I don't make the list
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Post by basicdugganomix on Aug 19, 2015 11:18:28 GMT -5
1. dixie 2. Jeff jarrett 3. Vince Russo 4. Bob Ryder 5. John Gabruik 6. Hogan/bischoff
I won't saw bischoff because guy was in there doing production and overestimated tna's reach
Fat John's ineptitude with contracts is what lead to impacts being edited to such a degree that they released mvp.
But don't fear, spud, manik, bram, robbie e, and the wolves are here forever
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Post by MrElijah on Aug 20, 2015 9:02:49 GMT -5
1. F***ing Gunner 2. D'Lo Brown 3. Hernandez 4. Anarquia 5. Fail Sabin 6. Velvet Sky 7. Hulk Hogan 8. Mr. Anderson 9. (Shut up) Josh Mathews 10. D'Von's Boys Hey when D'Lo is putting your ass on them streets, he means it!
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Post by RI Richmark on Aug 22, 2015 20:38:56 GMT -5
The camera then rotates behind Homer and we see he's pointing at Dixie.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Aug 23, 2015 2:02:24 GMT -5
Where does Gaburick rank after the Hernandez stuff.
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Post by weaselboy on Aug 27, 2015 7:50:15 GMT -5
10 inanimate objects that caused TNA's demise
1-Janice 2-Bully Ray's Rubber Hammer 3-Pacman Jones 4-That silly red cage 5-That silly electrified cage 6-Jeff Hardy's Dirt Bike 7-Jeff Hardy's Willow mask 8-Hulk Hogan's WWE HoF ring 9-The 'There Herrre' sign 10-AJ's crown
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Post by Woo on Aug 27, 2015 12:43:16 GMT -5
1) Dixie Carter Obviously the blame ultimately has to fall onto her
2) Hulk Hogan Lets be honest, Hogan was worse than Russo. Russo isn't great, but under him TNA was outstanding towards the end of 2009. AJ Styles was champion, Daniels and Joe were fighting for the belt, Pope and Wolfe were hot as hell, Morgan and Hernendez were showing real promise too, the tag team scene was great and the KO's were on fire. Hogan ruined all of that with his stupid suggestions. He was to blame for depushing Wolfe, he was to blame for going to four sides, he brought all his washed up friends back and it was his idea to go on the road which is what cost TNA its money.
3) Eric Bischoff See Hogan really, but he wasn't as involved in the stupid suggestions as far as I know.
They are they main three, the rest are debateable. ----- 4) Vince Russo Under Russo TNA was making money, had a video game, had sucessful tours in the UK and were heading in the right direction before Hogan ruined it all. But some of his ideas were clearly stupid.
5) Jeff Jarrett He did book himself far too strong and should have lost to Monty Brown and Joe (though had he lost to Brown then his loss to Joe wouldn't have been as big a deal... so maybe he should just have lost to Joe, which he didn't do anyway). But ultimately Jeff Jarrett was a good thing for the company.
6) Jim Cornette The guy has outdated boring ideas and it's shocking that when he left TNA in 2009 and left Russo alone things improved!
7) Dutch Mantell I don't really know what he was and wasn't responsible for, but it wasn't great regardless.
8) Bubba the Love Sponge Represented everything wrong with Hogan TNA and ended cuasing Kong to leave and TNA to lose a big draw.
9) Kurt Angle Always had to be the face of the company. He was booked so strong he was like a more talented John Cena, only one who could sell.
10) Jeff Hardy Treated TNA like a joke in 2005, then he was even worse when he returned and Victory Road was a huge blark mark against TNA.
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