Who should have been main eventers & who shouldn't have

[psychokiller]

Who are some wrestlers that you think should have never been main eventers & who are some that you think should have? You can can count WCW & the original ECW as well if you want.

Should have:

Mr. Perfect - Had everything in terms of mic skills & in ring talent. I think a lot of it had to do with bad timing with his injuries. WWF was starting to finally push the smaller guys like Bret, but around the same time Perfect had his injuries he was dealing with. Than he went to WCW, and could never get past the mid-card there due to the main event talent who were formerly in WWF being the ones being pushed in the main event positions in WCW.

Jake Roberts - I'm not sure if it had to do with his personal issues as to why Vince never wanted to push him into the main event. But he had so much talent that looking back it's just odd that a talent of his caliber was only a mid-carder.

Ted Dibiase - Another great worker that had great talent. He did main event a WrestleMania, but besides that when was he ever the main attraction on the shows?

Christian - He did have the World Title, but his reigns were very short. He should have had a main event run for at least a little while.

Arn Anderson - Still odd how he never got a run as a main eventer.

Owen Hart - Should have main evented at least in the 1994-1996 era.

British Bulldog - Should have in the 1994-1996 era.

Shouldn't have:

Rey Mysterio - I just didn't buy him as a World Champion. Great in ring talent, but just never would have considered him to be someone that should be main eventing.

Jack Swagger - Very underrated talent in my opinion, but he should have never won the World Title when he did.

The Miz - I don't dislike him like a lot of fans do, but he's a good mid-card talent, but not a main event level talent.

Triple H - Of course I know how much hate this guy gets. But I genuinely never considered him worthy as a main eventer as far back as the 90s, before his big year in 2000, I never bought him as a main eventer. I thought he was a good mid-card act from 96-99, but didn't have the talent in my opinion to be at the top level.

Taz - Looking back it's completely laughable at how he was seen as this badass tough guy in ECW. I just can't take him seriously at all.

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

In the cases of Miz and Jack Swagger, being WWE/World Champions saved their careers. Just saying this based on how WWE books and presents talent. Those two have more value as "failed" main eventers than they would have if they never got pushed to that point. If they had never been pushed to the main event, they'd have been given the Zack Ryder/Alex Riley/Brad Maddox treatment or been released by now, but instead they reached a point where WWE invested too much in them to write off. That has nothing to do with their talent or lack of. It's just how WWE works.

[psychokiller]

Aug 8, 2015 19:43:11 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

In the cases of Miz and Jack Swagger, being WWE/World Champions saved their careers. Just saying this based on how WWE books and presents talent. Those two have more value as "failed" main eventers than they would have if they never got pushed to that point. If they had never been pushed to the main event, they'd have been given the Zack Ryder/Alex Riley/Brad Maddox treatment or been released by now, but instead they reached a point where WWE invested too much in them to write off. That has nothing to do with their talent or lack of. It's just how WWE works.

Well, Swagger hasn't really done anything for the past year now. At this point Swagger would probably be better off just asking for his release & going to Japan or ROH if WWE has no intentions of using him at all anymore.

[keezy]

Swagger should have won the world title when he was with Zeb Colter against Del Rio, even in the Rusev feud he was getting HUGE pops and We The People chants.

I still think the gimmick has potential, I hope Zeb comes back.

[paperbackhero]

Completely agree with Jake Roberts. I think he would have moved the needle, and changed the landscape.

But Owen Hart? Sheesh...great wrestler, and in 90-91, was one of the best in the world, but not on top in a major US promotion.

Curt Hennig? His ridiculous over bumping and over selling from 90 coupled with injuries made him a non factor as world champ contender.

Think of who was on top during most of these guys runs...Hogan, Flair, Savage...and until the world changed and everyone started getting the title, every other world title holder struggled to draw...Warrior, Steamboat, Sting, Lex, Bret, Diesel...what's to say that Arn, Curt, Owen, Bulldog, Ted would have been any different?

[Clawley Race]

If you're counting Swagger as a main eventer, then Owen Hart, British Bulldog & DiBiase sure as hell were. Bulldog main evented several PPVs including a Summerslam. Owen a Summerslam as well, and was the last image of WM10. DiBiase main evented TWO WrestleManias technically.

Lance Storm should have been a main eventer in WCW.

[Kevin Hamilton]

You can't really compare the eras though as the bulk of the old guys like Jake, Perfect, Dibiase were just as over and had just as much care given to them as the main event now.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Someone doesn't think HHH deserved Main Event status??

[Mighty Attack Tribble]

Aug 8, 2015 22:39:58 GMT -5 Clawley Race said:

If you're counting Swagger as a main eventer, then Owen Hart, British Bulldog & DiBiase sure as hell were. Bulldog main evented several PPVs including a Summerslam. Owen a Summerslam as well, and was the last image of WM10. DiBiase main evented TWO WrestleManias technically.

Bulldog and Owen are questionable, but DiBiase was the WWF's top heel from mid-'87 until Savage's heel turn supplanted him in '89, and even then was still working almost exclusively in the main events of the house show loops for a good while after. He definitely counts.

[Madagascar Fred]

Bro, DiBiase (88/89) and Perfect (early 90, late 92) were totally main eventers at times

[Nosnorb]

Aug 8, 2015 20:14:59 GMT -5 keezy said:

Swagger should have won the world title when he was with Zeb Colter against Del Rio, even in the Rusev feud he was getting HUGE pops and We The People chants.

I still think the gimmick has potential, I hope Zeb comes back.

He was supposed to win against Del Rio at WM29, but the DUI put paid to that. I still think that nothing much would have changed booking wise if he had won at WM29 - Dolph would still have cashed in the night after, and there would still have been a three way feud with Del Rio, Ziggler and Swagger - remember that Swagger was Zigglers tag team partner in 2011.

The Rusev feud was strange, as Swagger lost countless times, and it was after Swagger broke the shoulder of Wade Barrett for no reason (Swagger had already laid out Wade with a huge clothesline, there was no need to slam him into the barricade at full force - twice), though I don't know if that was on the agent or on Swagger himself.

The gimmick has potential, just that Gable and Jordan are on the NXT roster and doing pretty well. It looks like Swaggers days are numbered, and I'm suprised that Swagger is still in WWE, I was sure he would be released by now.

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

Aug 9, 2015 3:28:34 GMT -5 Nosnorb said:

Aug 8, 2015 20:14:59 GMT -5 keezy said:

Swagger should have won the world title when he was with Zeb Colter against Del Rio, even in the Rusev feud he was getting HUGE pops and We The People chants.

I still think the gimmick has potential, I hope Zeb comes back.

He was supposed to win against Del Rio at WM29, but the DUI put paid to that. I still think that nothing much would have changed booking wise if he had won at WM29 - Dolph would still have cashed in the night after, and there would still have been a three way feud with Del Rio, Ziggler and Swagger - remember that Swagger was Zigglers tag team partner in 2011.

The Rusev feud was strange, as Swagger lost countless times, and it was after Swagger broke the shoulder of Wade Barrett for no reason (Swagger had already laid out Wade with a huge clothesline, there was no need to slam him into the barricade at full force - twice), though I don't know if that was on the agent or on Swagger himself.

The gimmick has potential, just that Gable and Jordan are on the NXT roster and doing pretty well. It looks like Swaggers days are numbered, and I'm suprised that Swagger is still in WWE, I was sure he would be released by now.

Was Swagger really supposed to win at WM29? Swagger was nothing more than a dragon to help put face Del Rio over. WWE were hellbent on getting Del Rio over and I don't think they would've just fed him to Swagger, especially with the clock ticking on Ziggler's briefcase.

The thing with the Rusev feud was that they never wanted Rusev to lose to anyone before Cena because in WWE's mind, anything less than that would've been a "burial" for Rusev.

I don't see what Gable and Jordan have to do with Swagger when there are no similarities between him and them outside of an amateur background (and really WWE should have as many of those types as possible not just one of two).

Even though Swagger should be used better/more, I think he's in a good spot. He wins more often than he loses, with his only losses being usually to Barrett or Rusev, and generally looks competitive in a loss. Swagger should basically be what Kofi Kingston was for the past few years; the solid midcard hand they call upon when they want a heel to go over someone. I'd love to see Swagger vs Owens.

[Nosnorb]

Aug 9, 2015 3:42:00 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

Aug 9, 2015 3:28:34 GMT -5 Nosnorb said:

He was supposed to win against Del Rio at WM29, but the DUI put paid to that. I still think that nothing much would have changed booking wise if he had won at WM29 - Dolph would still have cashed in the night after, and there would still have been a three way feud with Del Rio, Ziggler and Swagger - remember that Swagger was Zigglers tag team partner in 2011.

The Rusev feud was strange, as Swagger lost countless times, and it was after Swagger broke the shoulder of Wade Barrett for no reason (Swagger had already laid out Wade with a huge clothesline, there was no need to slam him into the barricade at full force - twice), though I don't know if that was on the agent or on Swagger himself.

The gimmick has potential, just that Gable and Jordan are on the NXT roster and doing pretty well. It looks like Swaggers days are numbered, and I'm suprised that Swagger is still in WWE, I was sure he would be released by now.

Was Swagger really supposed to win at WM29? Swagger was nothing more than a dragon to help put face Del Rio over. WWE were hellbent on getting Del Rio over and I don't think they would've just fed him to Swagger, especially with the clock ticking on Ziggler's briefcase.

The thing with the Rusev feud was that they never wanted Rusev to lose to anyone before Cena because in WWE's mind, anything less than that would've been a "burial" for Rusev.

I don't see what Gable and Jordan have to do with Swagger when there are no similarities between him and them outside of an amateur background (and really WWE should have as many of those types as possible not just one of two).

Even though Swagger should be used better/more, I think he's in a good spot. He wins more often than he loses, with his only losses being usually to Barrett or Rusev, and generally looks competitive in a loss. Swagger should basically be what Kofi Kingston was for the past few years; the solid midcard hand they call upon when they want a heel to go over someone. I'd love to see Swagger vs Owens.

Well, it was rumored that Swagger was supposed to go over, and he did get that entrance at WM with the Jeep, so it looks like he was going to win, then Dolph was going to cash in the night after. I don't think that WWE realised just how big of a pop that Ziggler would get when he cashed in. As for Del Rio as a face, it failed which wasn't suprising considering just how much they hamstrung him, and all WWE had to do to get him over was put him back in the Dos Caras mask.

Gable and Jordan do have an amateur background, and Swaggers gimmick for his first few years was that he was an amateur wrestler. They could easily give them to Zeb to manage.

Personally, considering that there is no real midcard, wins and losses don't really mean that much, and he is rarely on TV, I don't think Swagger is in a good spot, certainly compared to where he was in 2009 when he was feuding with Christian for the ECW title, and it was reported that he was unhappy with his position in the WWE.

[abjordans]

Let's be clear.... Curt Henning was WAY MORE of a main eventer than Jack Swagger ever has been.

[Mid-Carder]

I can't agree about Triple H at all. He's been hyped beyond his worth for well over a decade but I maintain his 2000 is the best calendar year any wrestler has ever had. In 99-01 he was absolutely deserving of his top spot.

[Urethra Franklin]

Also on the list of "should haves": Rick Rude.

[britstap]

Should Have:

Dibiase. It could've easily been Dibiase vs. Savage at WM IV without the snooze worthy tournament.

Razor Ramon

Shouldn't have:

Miz is number one on my list. I'm sorry, I've just never, ever, EVER taken him seriously as a main event level talent. Forget actually being champion.

[The Dark Order Inferno]

Aug 8, 2015 19:34:08 GMT -5 psychokiller said:

Who are some wrestlers that you think should have never been main eventers & who are some that you think should have? You can can count WCW & the original ECW as well if you want.

Should have:

Mr. Perfect - Had everything in terms of mic skills & in ring talent. I think a lot of it had to do with bad timing with his injuries. WWF was starting to finally push the smaller guys like Bret, but around the same time Perfect had his injuries he was dealing with. Than he went to WCW, and could never get past the mid-card there due to the main event talent who were formerly in WWF being the ones being pushed in the main event positions in WCW.

Jake Roberts - I'm not sure if it had to do with his personal issues as to why Vince never wanted to push him into the main event. But he had so much talent that looking back it's just odd that a talent of his caliber was only a mid-carder.

Ted Dibiase - Another great worker that had great talent. He did main event a WrestleMania, but besides that when was he ever the main attraction on the shows?

Christian - He did have the World Title, but his reigns were very short. He should have had a main event run for at least a little while.

Arn Anderson - Still odd how he never got a run as a main eventer.

Owen Hart - Should have main evented at least in the 1994-1996 era.

British Bulldog - Should have in the 1994-1996 era.

Shouldn't have:

Rey Mysterio - I just didn't buy him as a World Champion. Great in ring talent, but just never would have considered him to be someone that should be main eventing.

Jack Swagger - Very underrated talent in my opinion, but he should have never won the World Title when he did.

The Miz - I don't dislike him like a lot of fans do, but he's a good mid-card talent, but not a main event level talent.

Triple H - Of course I know how much hate this guy gets. But I genuinely never considered him worthy as a main eventer as far back as the 90s, before his big year in 2000, I never bought him as a main eventer. I thought he was a good mid-card act from 96-99, but didn't have the talent in my opinion to be at the top level.

Taz - Looking back it's completely laughable at how he was seen as this badass tough guy in ECW. I just can't take him seriously at all.

No offense, but out of those WWF names, only Christian should have main evented, he was having he run of his life at a time so many others in the main event were stale or a huge turnoff for viewers (looking at you, Trips.) Everyone else was at or around the level they should have been, because at the time they were active, the midcard mattered. Shifting Perfect, Roberts and DiBiase into main event slots would have hollowed out the midcard like it was in the 2000s, and led to the belief that nothing other than a main eventer matters setting in far sooner. Arn Anderson would have main evented, but when he was coming into his own, times were changing, people no longer wanted wrestler who looked and sounded like someone's tough guy dad.

[rippo]

MVP
Mr. Kennedy
John Morrison

Should have won the title.

The Miz
Jack Swagger
Mark Henry

Should not.

[psychokiller]

Aug 8, 2015 22:39:58 GMT -5 Clawley Race said:

If you're counting Swagger as a main eventer, then Owen Hart, British Bulldog & DiBiase sure as hell were. Bulldog main evented several PPVs including a Summerslam. Owen a Summerslam as well, and was the last image of WM10. DiBiase main evented TWO WrestleManias technically.

Lance Storm should have been a main eventer in WCW.

I counted Swagger because he won the World Title. It might of not been the main title, but he was the main star of Smackdown for awhile while holding the title. Owen, Bulldog & Dibiase never won the title so in my opinion they don't count even if they main evented a few PPVs here & there.