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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Aug 26, 2015 13:51:06 GMT -5
Anything interesting about TNA in there?
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Aug 26, 2015 14:43:49 GMT -5
Nearly all the TNA talk is about the build-up to his match with Sting at Lockdown.
There's some interesting stories about his short-lived commentating job with WWE though.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 26, 2015 16:11:06 GMT -5
Depends on how you define interesting. He doesn't drop any shit on them. For one thing he still worked there at the time.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 26, 2015 16:41:21 GMT -5
He couldn't talked bad about the wwe because of a clause on his contract when he became an announcer. So instead of burying Vince and the WWE, he made a fairytale analogy where he said that he was a hero who worked for Mr Macmagical, and how Mr Macmagical yelled at the hero and insulted him.
At the time his relationship was great with TNA, sad thing is that the WWE promoted the book and TNA didn't.
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Post by Manute Bol on Aug 26, 2015 17:08:04 GMT -5
Not so much TNA, but it is chock full of long drawn-out stories about Tori Amos songs, pervy comments about Divas, and back-patting about all the great things he does for sick kids.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 26, 2015 21:35:11 GMT -5
It was alright. First two books were way better.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 27, 2015 4:17:11 GMT -5
It was alright. First two books were way better. But it is MUCH better than Hardcore Diaries, which was so aggressively unpleasant to read it actually stopped me being a fan of Mick's for two years.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 4:19:42 GMT -5
It was alright. First two books were way better. But it is MUCH better than Hardcore Diaries, which was so aggressively unpleasant to read it actually stopped me being a fan of Mick's for two years. Why?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 27, 2015 4:22:08 GMT -5
But it is MUCH better than Hardcore Diaries, which was so aggressively unpleasant to read it actually stopped me being a fan of Mick's for two years. Why? Because he comes across as a giant asshole throughout, and reveals a lot of things that cast negative light on other wrestlers - such as Triple H apparently thinking Mick was shit in the ring, even during their amazing feud in 2000. I can't remember many specifics outside of that, I just remember hating it at the time and trying to block it out of my mind ever since. Mick has since said that 'Grumpy Mick' wrote that book, and boy is he ever f***ing grumpy in there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 8:37:26 GMT -5
I know I have read it, but it was pretty forgettable. Honestly the thing I remember most is the aforementioned Tori Amos and sick kid stuff.
I mean, it's great that he does that work with children, but when he pats himself on the back about it, it doesn't seem so noble anymore, kinda like when WWE shows video packages of their charity work.
If people are truly doing great work like that, OTHER PEOPLE will commend them. And even if they don't, it doesn't matter because you shouldn't be doing that stuff for accolades, you should be doing it because you care.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 10:28:41 GMT -5
I know I have read it, but it was pretty forgettable. Honestly the thing I remember most is the aforementioned Tori Amos and sick kid stuff. I mean, it's great that he does that work with children, but when he pats himself on the back about it, it doesn't seem so noble anymore, kinda like when WWE shows video packages of their charity work. If people are truly doing great work like that, OTHER PEOPLE will commend them. And even if they don't, it doesn't matter because you shouldn't be doing that stuff for accolades, you should be doing it because you care. With Mick, it seems like he's writing more about how great it makes him feel, rather than look at how great he is for doing these things. And there's always a tinge of regret, knowing he could/should do more. There's a really interesting Kurt Angle story in there, about him going into a huge funk because he saw fellow wrestler and former UFC fighter Mark Coleman at an airport, and he mentioned that he beat Kurt at the 1992 NCAA National Wrestling Championships. Foley found Kurt later on the plane, depressed as hell and near tears, because apparently, Kurt beat Coleman that year, and he thought Coleman lied to hurt his feelings. To me that shines a light on Kurt Angle's insane amount of pride, and some deeper mental issues.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 10:39:40 GMT -5
I know I have read it, but it was pretty forgettable. Honestly the thing I remember most is the aforementioned Tori Amos and sick kid stuff. I mean, it's great that he does that work with children, but when he pats himself on the back about it, it doesn't seem so noble anymore, kinda like when WWE shows video packages of their charity work. If people are truly doing great work like that, OTHER PEOPLE will commend them. And even if they don't, it doesn't matter because you shouldn't be doing that stuff for accolades, you should be doing it because you care. With Mick, it seems like he's writing more about how great it makes him feel, rather than look at how great he is for doing these things. And there's always a tinge of regret, knowing he could/should do more. There's a really interesting Kurt Angle story in there, about him going into a huge funk because he saw fellow wrestler and former UFC fighter Mark Coleman at an airport, and he mentioned that he beat Kurt at the 1992 NCAA National Wrestling Championships. Foley found Kurt later on the plane, depressed as hell and near tears, because apparently, Kurt beat Coleman that year, and he thought Coleman lied to hurt his feelings. To me that shines a light on Kurt Angle's insane amount of pride, and some deeper mental issues. About that running into Coleman at the airport thing, I've always found it amazing how since wrestlers travel so much, they are constantly running into random people they knew years before and stuff like that at the airport.
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Post by "Mr Wonderdick" Dick Dastardly on Aug 27, 2015 11:00:09 GMT -5
Not so much TNA, but it is chock full of long drawn-out stories about Tori Amos songs, pervy comments about Divas, and back-patting about all the great things he does for sick kids. Are you talking about Mick Foley's book or a John Cena promo?
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Post by WWEedy on Aug 27, 2015 14:28:53 GMT -5
I know I have read it, but it was pretty forgettable. Honestly the thing I remember most is the aforementioned Tori Amos and sick kid stuff. I mean, it's great that he does that work with children, but when he pats himself on the back about it, it doesn't seem so noble anymore, kinda like when WWE shows video packages of their charity work. If people are truly doing great work like that, OTHER PEOPLE will commend them. And even if they don't, it doesn't matter because you shouldn't be doing that stuff for accolades, you should be doing it because you care. With Mick, it seems like he's writing more about how great it makes him feel, rather than look at how great he is for doing these things. And there's always a tinge of regret, knowing he could/should do more. There's a really interesting Kurt Angle story in there, about him going into a huge funk because he saw fellow wrestler and former UFC fighter Mark Coleman at an airport, and he mentioned that he beat Kurt at the 1992 NCAA National Wrestling Championships. Foley found Kurt later on the plane, depressed as hell and near tears, because apparently, Kurt beat Coleman that year, and he thought Coleman lied to hurt his feelings. To me that shines a light on Kurt Angle's insane amount of pride, and some deeper mental issues. I didn't think Mark Coleman was at the 92 Championship? I've not read the book but I don't remember him being one of Kurt's pairings there.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 27, 2015 14:50:10 GMT -5
Because he comes across as a giant asshole throughout, and reveals a lot of things that cast negative light on other wrestlers - such as Triple H apparently thinking Mick was shit in the ring, even during their amazing feud in 2000. I can't remember many specifics outside of that, I just remember hating it at the time and trying to block it out of my mind ever since. Mick has since said that 'Grumpy Mick' wrote that book, and boy is he ever f***ing grumpy in there. To be fair, at the time, I don't think he was a big fan of Triple H, due to feeling snubbed where I think Hunter had gone on about some of his difficulties with becoming a main eventer and either not addressing the help Foley provided to him or downplaying it. I think I'd have been hurt or angry, too, considering he put over Triple H at his expense extensively and went out of his way to make him look good, so I get if he felt he was being an ingrate. I am going by memory, but I do know Mick's said he tends to regret it if he writes pissed, and that for all of his insulting of Ric Flair in Have a Nice Day, that was written when he was at peace, and that the original draft of that portion of his career went from typewriter to garbage can. Maybe some of his later work would have benefited from similar restraint.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 15:11:22 GMT -5
With Mick, it seems like he's writing more about how great it makes him feel, rather than look at how great he is for doing these things. And there's always a tinge of regret, knowing he could/should do more. There's a really interesting Kurt Angle story in there, about him going into a huge funk because he saw fellow wrestler and former UFC fighter Mark Coleman at an airport, and he mentioned that he beat Kurt at the 1992 NCAA National Wrestling Championships. Foley found Kurt later on the plane, depressed as hell and near tears, because apparently, Kurt beat Coleman that year, and he thought Coleman lied to hurt his feelings. To me that shines a light on Kurt Angle's insane amount of pride, and some deeper mental issues. I didn't think Mark Coleman was at the 92 Championship? I've not read the book but I don't remember him being one of Kurt's pairings there. The book said the "1992 Nationals", and I assumed it meant NCAA. Maybe it was something else? Or maybe all 3 guys have taken too many head shots and its completely false.
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Post by WWEedy on Aug 27, 2015 15:20:21 GMT -5
I didn't think Mark Coleman was at the 92 Championship? I've not read the book but I don't remember him being one of Kurt's pairings there. The book said the "1992 Nationals", and I assumed it meant NCAA. Maybe it was something else? Or maybe all 3 guys have taken too many head shots and its completely false. Haha maybe, well in Mick and Kurt's case for sure and Coleman has bound to have taken some nasty, brain scrambling shots over the years. Ah just looked it up, Coleman won the 1992 PanAm American Championship that year so it very well may have been there. Would love someone to clear it up, if they know?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 27, 2015 17:34:30 GMT -5
The book said the "1992 Nationals", and I assumed it meant NCAA. Maybe it was something else? Or maybe all 3 guys have taken too many head shots and its completely false. Haha maybe, well in Mick and Kurt's case for sure and Coleman has bound to have taken some nasty, brain scrambling shots over the years. Ah just looked it up, Coleman won the 1992 PanAm American Championship that year so it very well may have been there. Would love someone to clear it up, if they know? They may have ran into each other that year. Another thing was that Mick and Kurt met Coleman after he lost a fight and got beat up, maybe he was still concussed when he spoke to them.
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Post by BorneAgain on Aug 27, 2015 18:01:04 GMT -5
It was alright. First two books were way better. But it is MUCH better than Hardcore Diaries, which was so aggressively unpleasant to read it actually stopped me being a fan of Mick's for two years. What I find particularly bewildering about Hardcore Diaries is his section for One Night Stand II, where he seems utterly convinced his angle idea of Terry Funk biting Vince's ass as part of the McMahon Kiss My Ass Club was great and WWE was blowing a huge opportunity by not going through with it. Its the most off putting Foley focus since his constant shots at Mero in Have a Nice Day. The only real satisfaction is him admitting how wrong he was about how these changes would hurt the buyrate when ONS2 did huge business anyway; which tells you how little credit Mick was giving to interest in either one of the two big World Title matches.
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Post by Ryushinku on Aug 28, 2015 2:52:58 GMT -5
Yeah, that's the odd little story of Hardcore Diaries. Mick convinced it's going to be a disaster and all the little things and ideas rejected that will lead to this horrible outcome. Then the match turns out fine (very good, I'd say) and the PPV does gangbusters. I guess it's true about artists being their own worst critics.
Never bothered with Countdown to Lockdown. I think I was so disappointed with Foley's TNA title run and the cage match with Sting it just sapped my enthusiasm, after the rather lacklustre Hardcore Diaries.
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