Futureraven: Beelzebruv
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 1, 2015 7:23:11 GMT -5
Sasha's had way, way more than 3 "good" matches. She's had 5 standout matches, 2 of which are legit MOTYCs and 1 of which a lock for MOTY for me and many other people, and with one or two exceptions has yet to have a bad match this year. She's a better promo than about 4 or 5 people on that list, and unlike a lot of people on that list, she's been booked pretty much perfectly, looking strong as champion without ever obnoxiously steamrolling over the competition. Sasha, to me, has legitimately been the best wrestler this year, and this is coming from someone who didn't have much of an opinion about her this time last year. Yeah lots of bandwagon jumpers around these days, I won't hold that against you. Sorry, FIVE matches, not three. HUGE difference. And sorry to say but she's not on NXT anymore, say goodbye to that perfect booking. She's being wasted on RAW, and her best matches are only MOTY contenders because they are being held to a 'girl' standard which is easy to exceed. Lots of people have never seen a 15 minute diva match and are super impressed. Right now she can only have a good match when paired up with fellow NXT divas that she's trained with for 2 years. She has the ability but she's flat out not a better wrestler than any of the people I listed. It takes more experience than what she has to do what they can do. No, those matches I'm holding to the same standard as mens matches, and no mens matches have had me so invested I was bouncing around the room like a teenager again. She hasn't had 3 good matches this year, shes had 3 MOTYC this year, out of your list, that counts out a lot of them. Plus they aren't the only matches she's had, pretty much every match she has is good, at least as good as the standard RAW match between 2 guys, On top of that she's killed it on the mic week in and week out. Experience helps, but if you get good quickly, you get good quickly, you can't say someone's not great until they've had X number of years wrestling. Also, just out of curiosity, what the hell are Stardusts matches that are better than hers? If anyone's had a medicore rambling, aimless year it's Stardust.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 7:48:41 GMT -5
Yeah lots of bandwagon jumpers around these days, I won't hold that against you. Sorry, FIVE matches, not three. HUGE difference. And sorry to say but she's not on NXT anymore, say goodbye to that perfect booking. She's being wasted on RAW, and her best matches are only MOTY contenders because they are being held to a 'girl' standard which is easy to exceed. Lots of people have never seen a 15 minute diva match and are super impressed. Right now she can only have a good match when paired up with fellow NXT divas that she's trained with for 2 years. She has the ability but she's flat out not a better wrestler than any of the people I listed. It takes more experience than what she has to do what they can do. No, those matches I'm holding to the same standard as mens matches, and no mens matches have had me so invested I was bouncing around the room like a teenager again. She hasn't had 3 good matches this year, shes had 3 MOTYC this year, out of your list, that counts out a lot of them. Plus they aren't the only matches she's had, pretty much every match she has is good, at least as good as the standard RAW match between 2 guys, On top of that she's killed it on the mic week in and week out. Experience helps, but if you get good quickly, you get good quickly, you can't say someone's not great until they've had X number of years wrestling. Also, just out of curiosity, what the hell are Stardusts matches that are better than hers? If anyone's had a medicore rambling, aimless year it's Stardust. Futureraven: Beelzebruv said pretty much what I was gonna' say. Sasha's matches aren't "good by women's standards," they're just good, period. Her average weekly NXT match is just as good as any random midcard bout you'd see on Raw or Smackdown. And really, some of those names on your list are really suspect. I mean, Randy Orton? Dolph Ziggler? Friggin' Stardust? I think between the three of them they've had one standout match this year. Sasha had the match of the night 3 Takeovers in a row. And if "rehearsing a match with the same people over and over" means you're disqualified from being a "legitimately good" wrestler, as you're implying, then I guess that means Randy Savage isn't legitimately good either.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Sept 1, 2015 8:36:21 GMT -5
Sasha's had way, way more than 3 "good" matches. She's had 5 standout matches, 2 of which are legit MOTYCs and 1 of which a lock for MOTY for me and many other people, and with one or two exceptions has yet to have a bad match this year. She's a better promo than about 4 or 5 people on that list, and unlike a lot of people on that list, she's been booked pretty much perfectly, looking strong as champion without ever obnoxiously steamrolling over the competition. Sasha, to me, has legitimately been the best wrestler this year, and this is coming from someone who didn't have much of an opinion about her this time last year. Yeah lots of bandwagon jumpers around these days, I won't hold that against you. Sorry, FIVE matches, not three. HUGE difference. And sorry to say but she's not on NXT anymore, say goodbye to that perfect booking. She's being wasted on RAW, and her best matches are only MOTY contenders because they are being held to a 'girl' standard which is easy to exceed. Lots of people have never seen a 15 minute diva match and are super impressed. Right now she can only have a good match when paired up with fellow NXT divas that she's trained with for 2 years. She has the ability but she's flat out not a better wrestler than any of the people I listed. It takes more experience than what she has to do what they can do. Yeah...no bro If you count all GREAT matches Cena, Rollins or Sasha had this year, Sasha wins Plus her reign was one of the best of the past 5 years. Cena's was pretty good, Rollins' reign is laughable, talk about lame duck Cena and Rollins might be better workers than Sasha, but Sasha had the opportunities for great feuds and matches this year and knocked it out of the park
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Post by Bo Rida on Sept 1, 2015 8:40:58 GMT -5
Hmm I was about to take the bait and dissect that list of wrestlers but it did make me realise that Reigns has actually had a really good year for PPV matches once that Rumble debacle was out of the way. They've been relatively varied too. I'd certainly put him ahead of Rollins although can see why many would argue the other way.
However Banks is still in the lead for me. Sadly it turns out that I can't hold Sasha's best two matches to the standards the men on that list have set as so few seem to tell those sort of stories in the ring. I genuinely can't think of a match revolving around working body parts that were anything close to Banks vs Lynch or anything that compares to the interesting way she targeted Bayley's hand. Don't get me wrong the men have still told good stories in other ways and I'm sure I've temporarily forgotten a mat classic but I'm struggling for a direct comparison.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Sept 1, 2015 11:38:53 GMT -5
Kevin Owens, by far. Everything he does is entertaining. Cesaro would be a very close second.
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Post by Session Moth is over on Sept 1, 2015 12:33:32 GMT -5
Cena. He has had some fantastic matches this year and had the best US Championship run in years.
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Post by misconduct was wrong on Sept 1, 2015 12:50:25 GMT -5
Cena has really stepped up this year, which is good to see. Seth... for as gifted athletically as he is, I just haven't gotten invested in his matches.
Owens has been really good in everything he's done so far.
My vote goes for Sasha.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 1, 2015 12:55:05 GMT -5
...Cesaro, I guess? I don't know, I have really not been impressed with WWE matches by and large this year. Some of the most hyped matches of the year were matches that I personally got bored with.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Sept 1, 2015 12:58:18 GMT -5
Sasha
Seth Cena Owens Roman
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 1, 2015 12:59:45 GMT -5
*swoons*
Cesaro
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Post by basicdugganomix on Sept 1, 2015 13:00:29 GMT -5
It is between Rollins and Cena. I give it to rollins based on his growth as a character, a heel, and a worker
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Post by The Ichi on Sept 1, 2015 13:27:46 GMT -5
I'm going to take a note from a blurb on one of my Clive Barker novels.
"What he does makes us seem like we've been asleep for the last hundred years."
That's how I feel about Sasha Banks. She makes it seem like other females before her just weren't even trying. I know that might sound harsh given that the powers that be might to more to blame, but even highly praised female matches in the past like Trish/Mickie and AJ/Kaitlyn are trash compared to Sasha/Becky.
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Post by Dragonfly on Sept 1, 2015 13:34:56 GMT -5
Just WWE: Sasha, Kevin Owens and Cesaro.
All of wrestling: Jay Lethal. No one else even comes close.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Sept 1, 2015 16:23:40 GMT -5
I'm going to take a note from a blurb on one of my Clive Barker novels. "What he does makes us seem like we've been asleep for the last hundred years." That's how I feel about Sasha Banks. She makes it seem like other females before her just weren't even trying. I know that might sound harsh given that the powers that be might to more to blame, but even highly praised female matches in the past like Trish/Mickie and AJ/Kaitlyn are trash compared to Sasha/Becky. Yeah I'm also impressed on a "GOAT" level, not just a "great young talent" level
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Sept 1, 2015 16:25:25 GMT -5
I would say Seth, Owens, or Cesaro. Cena I feel like has had a good year in Cena terms but he's had a few stinkers as well.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Sept 1, 2015 16:26:16 GMT -5
Probably John Cena. But I voted 'Bayley' anyway.
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Post by LuchaBella on Sept 1, 2015 16:34:55 GMT -5
Seth Rollins.
Next in line: Rusev Cesaro Brock Lesnar
Outside of WWE: Nakamura Okada Bobby Fish Tanahashi
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Post by LuchaBella on Sept 1, 2015 16:38:07 GMT -5
2. Roderick Strong - Ever since he won the PWG title, he's gotten into a second wind and seems way more motivated. 3. Hiroshi Tanahashi - Even though some people weren't happy with him winning the G1, you can't argue with the amount of awesome matches he's had this year. Roderick Strong is growing on me. I enjoy his matches. And Tanahashi is the #1 ace of the universe, how can anyone not like him.
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Post by The Last Tweener on Sept 1, 2015 19:26:09 GMT -5
Seth Rollins without a doubt. In terms of wrestling, he had many quality matches with different opponents. His matches against Cesaro (even if they were short), Neville, Cena and Ambrose were all great. (Ambrose vs Rollins ladder match is still my MOTY). He is, at least, one of the top 3 wrestlers on the roster in my opinion along with Cesaro and Neville. Face Rollins would be even better.
In terms of character, he is one of the best in the company too. He played both the cowardly heel and the out-to-prove-himself heel excellently, all while being the most self-centered guy in the room. He knows how to interact both with whoever is in the ring with him and with the crowd. He is the best heel in the company. Nobody is booed as much as him despite everybody realizing his quality.
He never missed a Raw since his debut and worked much more SmackDown shows than WWE Champions normally do. Workhorse. Him winning the title at 'Mania and him winning the US Title at SS might be the top two moments of the year. You shouldn't ignore the fact that he somehow survived the horribly weak booking, including tapping out to Cena.
In a nutshell, nobody worked as much, performed as good and survived as much as Seth Rollins.
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Post by CuJ0 Will Keep Dancing on Sept 1, 2015 19:40:34 GMT -5
The lack of Cesaro in the poll is disturbing
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