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Post by kidglov3s on Sept 2, 2015 12:14:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 12:25:35 GMT -5
The quips don't bother me when they're funny; and most of these were. And apparently the Sokovia disaster will be one of the driving forces for Civil War, so this one did have consequences. Plus Ultron was threatening planetary extinction. So the stakes were high. Eh, like I said, I like it. You are saying the stakes like the movie was just stating them. It was a tell not show, and it never felt like they were ever showing significant stakes at any point in time. The stakes were pretty high in Thor 2, Iron Man 3, Guardians of the Galaxy, etc that equal to the stakes of Age of Ultron (humanity may face existence, planets being destroyed, universes being destroyed, etc.) But there is no real sense of danger in Age of Ultron that Ultron is going to cause any real damage or harm in the long run. There is no sense of danger that a important character may die (Quicksilver ain't important), no sense of danger that millions people will die, that The Avengers and Shield will be harmed really badly, etc. At this point it becomes Thor 2 where you just realize you're watching filler of motion and noise kind of wondering when the movie is going to end because you know that weird elf that Eccleston is playing isn't really going to destroy the earth and you're just waiting for Loki to show up to continue stealing the show. Like having no sense of real danger works in the first entry of films because it's an introduction/origin story but seeing how the big finale of Phase 2 was nothing more than just random filler for the big event of Civil War to start the introduction for Phase 3 was kind of lame. Hell it didn't even do a good job for building up Civil War. Like if I didn't spend so much time browsing movies on the internet, I would have had no idea that Civil War would be shaping up to be a bigger Avengers movie than The Avengers until the first preview comes out.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Sept 2, 2015 12:27:48 GMT -5
Also, I kinda had to agree with Tony. He was thinking more of the big picture. Sure, they could take on the big baddies of Earth, but what happens when the big baddies come from the stars?
He wanted a contingency plan. Unfortunately, it wasn't thought completely all the way through.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Sept 2, 2015 12:29:20 GMT -5
I kinda thought Hawkeye was gonna die. And was dreading it, because I liked this Hawkeye. And then the swerve caught me completely off guard.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 2, 2015 18:26:20 GMT -5
The stakes were pretty high in Thor 2, Iron Man 3, Guardians of the Galaxy, etc that equal to the stakes of Age of Ultron (humanity may face existence, planets being destroyed, universes being destroyed, etc.) But there is no real sense of danger in Age of Ultron that Ultron is going to cause any real damage or harm in the long run. There is no sense of danger that a important character may die (Quicksilver ain't important), no sense of danger that millions people will die, that The Avengers and Shield will be harmed really badly, etc. At this point it becomes Thor 2 where you just realize you're watching filler of motion and noise kind of wondering when the movie is going to end because you know that weird elf that Eccleston is playing isn't really going to destroy the earth and you're just waiting for Loki to show up to continue stealing the show. That's the pitfall of having a shared universe where each new film is announced years in advance, combined with Middle Film Syndrome. We know that everything and everyone will be okay because they've already announced that they'll be in the next film. That's part of why the next phase will be so interesting, because you've got several of the headline cast reaching the end of their contracts. Will their characters ride off into the sunset? Will they make the ultimate sacrifice?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 2, 2015 19:12:04 GMT -5
I thought the Bruce/Natasha thing was interesting frankly. It was well done, and unexpected. Also I liked that it showed that these guys have 'lives' between the movies.
I would've liked some lip service paid to Betty Ross, but other than that, I dug it.
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Post by Some Guy on Sept 2, 2015 19:37:46 GMT -5
The stakes were pretty high in Thor 2, Iron Man 3, Guardians of the Galaxy, etc that equal to the stakes of Age of Ultron (humanity may face existence, planets being destroyed, universes being destroyed, etc.) But there is no real sense of danger in Age of Ultron that Ultron is going to cause any real damage or harm in the long run. There is no sense of danger that a important character may die (Quicksilver ain't important), no sense of danger that millions people will die, that The Avengers and Shield will be harmed really badly, etc. At this point it becomes Thor 2 where you just realize you're watching filler of motion and noise kind of wondering when the movie is going to end because you know that weird elf that Eccleston is playing isn't really going to destroy the earth and you're just waiting for Loki to show up to continue stealing the show. That's the pitfall of having a shared universe where each new film is announced years in advance, combined with Middle Film Syndrome. We know that everything and everyone will be okay because they've already announced that they'll be in the next film. That's part of why the next phase will be so interesting, because you've got several of the headline cast reaching the end of their contracts. Will their characters ride off into the sunset? Will they make the ultimate sacrifice? Since when is middle film syndrome even a thing? The Dark Knight, Spider-Man 2, X-Men 2, Godfather 2, Empire Strikes Back, Evil Dead 2, Blade 2, Dawn of the Dead, Bourne Supremacy, Terminator 2, etc. are all arguably the best in their respective trilogies...(I know I cheated on some but whatever).
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 2, 2015 20:00:26 GMT -5
That's the pitfall of having a shared universe where each new film is announced years in advance, combined with Middle Film Syndrome. We know that everything and everyone will be okay because they've already announced that they'll be in the next film. That's part of why the next phase will be so interesting, because you've got several of the headline cast reaching the end of their contracts. Will their characters ride off into the sunset? Will they make the ultimate sacrifice? Since when is middle film syndrome even a thing? The Dark Knight, Spider-Man 2, X-Men 2, Godfather 2, Empire Strikes Back, Evil Dead 2, Blade 2, Dawn of the Dead, Bourne Supremacy, Terminator 2, etc. are all arguably the best in their respective trilogies...(I know I cheated on some but whatever). To me MFS is when any film doesn't do enough to make itself distinct enough from it's previous entry to stand by itself and exists solely to artificially extend an overall story for the sake of box office profits (Desolation of Smaug, I'm looking at you). Filler, basically. Of the examples you listed, I'm 90% sure only Empire and Bourne were made in the knowledge that a third film was a certainty. The rest all had to stand on their own merits before a third film was assured. In my opinion Age of Ultron would be a better film in a world where the first Avengers film doesn't exist. It's filler, for sure, but well-made filler at least.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Sept 2, 2015 20:14:20 GMT -5
One thing did bother me, though. Why didn't Cap wear his mask AT ALL in the movie? It just seemed......weird.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 2, 2015 20:34:15 GMT -5
One thing did bother me, though. Why didn't Cap wear his mask AT ALL in the movie? It just seemed......weird. At all? He doesn't wear it during the final battle though, when it probably would've been useful!
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Post by Dub H on Sept 2, 2015 20:38:59 GMT -5
I do love that Hawkeye got more character and was more witty.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Sept 2, 2015 20:41:44 GMT -5
I do love that Hawkeye got more character and was more witty. Hawkeye being more snarky made him more in line with his usual characterization in the comcis, which I liked.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Sept 2, 2015 20:49:37 GMT -5
One thing did bother me, though. Why didn't Cap wear his mask AT ALL in the movie? It just seemed......weird. At all? He doesn't wear it during the final battle though, when it probably would've been useful! ......Huh. Didn't notice that.
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 2, 2015 20:54:12 GMT -5
That's the pitfall of having a shared universe where each new film is announced years in advance, combined with Middle Film Syndrome. We know that everything and everyone will be okay because they've already announced that they'll be in the next film. That's part of why the next phase will be so interesting, because you've got several of the headline cast reaching the end of their contracts. Will their characters ride off into the sunset? Will they make the ultimate sacrifice? Since when is middle film syndrome even a thing? The Dark Knight, Spider-Man 2, X-Men 2, Godfather 2, Empire Strikes Back, Evil Dead 2, Blade 2, Dawn of the Dead, Bourne Supremacy, Terminator 2, etc. are all arguably the best in their respective trilogies...(I know I cheated on some but whatever). When we had movies like Dead Man's Chest, The Desolation of Smaug, and Attack of the Clones. It's not the fact that there are trilogies or series, it's in how they're written. Most of the series you listed, for example, weren't set in stone as trilogies from the outset (except Bourne and Empire). Sure, we could be reasonably sure that Nolan's Batman movies or Raimi's Spider-Man would get more installments, but they weren't written to carry on an ongoing story, they were written as standalone movies that just happened to occur in a series, so while fans of the previous movies could see the call backs, the movies weren't beholden to continuing a set overarching story. Evil Dead 2 wasn't written with Evil Dead 3 in mind, and there wouldn't have been any more big-screen Romero zombie movies or Terminator movies if Dawn of the Dead or T2 failed. The middle film syndrome becomes a thing when the intentionally set out to write a movie series with an overarching story and don't take the care o make sure each movie could stand on its own. So the first movie sets up the premise, the second movie continues the story, and the third movie resolves the story. When viewed back to back to back, it's fine. But when that second movie is viewed as a standalone, it can start to seem superfluous. The solution, and I tihnk they did an OK job of it in Age of Ultron, is to make sure that each movie in the series has it's own, distinct arc, one someone just watching it without seeing any of the other movies, could follow. I think Age of Ultron fits in the same category as The Two Towers in that regard. They did try to make it it's own distinct story, but enough time was spent on the overarching story that it made it seem a lot like the advertisement for the next one. (Granted, I say that with The Two Towers being my favorite in the series)
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 2, 2015 21:07:18 GMT -5
At all? He doesn't wear it during the final battle though, when it probably would've been useful! ......Huh. Didn't notice that. Marvel definitely hold the rule that if a mask or helmet isn't critical to the character (like Batman) then the actor's uncovered face gets as much screen time as possible, hence why Tony spends so much time out of his suits (sentry mode, anybody?) or has the close-up of his face inside the helmet, Thor's helmet is strictly ceremonial, Loki's is for when he's trying to look grand and regal, Star-Lord's is just for battle and for use in hostile environments, etc. Hell, we've not even seen Hawkeye wear a mask or helmet.
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Post by wildojinx on Sept 2, 2015 21:48:52 GMT -5
You'd think that masks and helmets would be featured more heavily, if just for marketing purposes (ie, halloween costumes and the like).
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Sept 2, 2015 23:17:57 GMT -5
The Ant-Man marketing got it right, though they had a very practical reason for why Ant-Man needed to have his helmet on 95% of the time.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 3, 2015 1:08:19 GMT -5
......Huh. Didn't notice that. Marvel definitely hold the rule that if a mask or helmet isn't critical to the character (like Batman) then the actor's uncovered face gets as much screen time as possible, hence why Tony spends so much time out of his suits (sentry mode, anybody?) or has the close-up of his face inside the helmet, Thor's helmet is strictly ceremonial, Loki's is for when he's trying to look grand and regal, Star-Lord's is just for battle and for use in hostile environments, etc. Hell, we've not even seen Hawkeye wear a mask or helmet. because Hawkeye mask is stupid,his ultimate look is much better
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Sept 3, 2015 10:40:11 GMT -5
Looking back on it, I think the stuff with Hawkeye's family is by far the best part of the movie. It shows that Hawkeye has a particular kind of emotional strength the other Avengers lack completely....the strength to balance a relatively normal family life and being a hero. It's great characterization.
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Post by kidglov3s on Sept 9, 2015 1:02:36 GMT -5
Back from seeing this. Man I hate how Joss Whedon writes every character with the same voice, especially grating when they're making quips. Sure they all have personality... the exact same personality. The movie wasn't bad but it took two and a half hours to essentially end where it started. These movies aren't for me but I keep seeing them anyway. You are saying the stakes like the movie was just stating them. It was a tell not show, and it never felt like they were ever showing significant stakes at any point in time. It was going through the motions from start to finish. I'm not going to be invested in these things until I see something like Tony Stark/Hulk/Black Widow/Thor/Cap get iced. Dead period. Something that actually matters and breaks the rinse/repeat cycle. With minor variations they've made the same movie so many times now, and if anything the situation's made worse by one of those times out being well superior to the rest of the lot (Winter Soldier).
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