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Post by Viking Hall on Jun 3, 2016 7:15:38 GMT -5
I'm struggling to see how people are failing to believe that Snuka isn't capable of standing trial with all of the evidence and documented stories of how destructive pro-wrestling is to the human brain. I mean, Mick Foley is the perfect example of this isn't he? Still more than capable of entertaining and saying the right things but admits himself that he gets confused and disoriented so frequently that he needs to take his daughter on the road with him to make sure he's alright. Factor in that Foley is the best part of 25 years younger than Snuka, didn't wrestle for nearly as long and doesn't have the long term history of drug and alcohol abuse and I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that Snuka probably really struggles with a lot of things. Whether he's guilty or not, putting a confused old man (which is what he is Superfly or not) up to trial isn't going to get satisfactory results. Unfortunately life is simply unfair at times and this is possibly one of those occasions.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Jun 3, 2016 10:09:10 GMT -5
I know I'll probably get shit on for this, but it's been on my mind since the procedures started... The pacific islanders who played that stereotypical character were so good at it that they'd convince cops they were savages. Remember the Hogan / Wild Samoans story? Is it that far-fetched to think that he worked the courts and the doctors into thinking he was unfit to stand trial? Totally unsubstantiated idea, I don't know him, never talked to him, just saying, if there was a time to try your luck at doing this, wouldn't being accused of murder be THE time? It's not 1975 any more, though. Only children and the hilliest of billies actually believe anything is remotely real. As someone else posted, the judge flat-out said Snuka was too dumb to pull off any sort of acting/con job.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jun 3, 2016 10:54:34 GMT -5
And justice for a dead woman is denied once again.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 3, 2016 20:24:38 GMT -5
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Post by G✇JI☈A on Dec 3, 2016 20:29:23 GMT -5
It's sad for the Snuka family.
But if he has any human decency he would let out the actual truth into what happened before he passes. At least give the victim's family closure... somewhat.
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Post by angryfan on Dec 3, 2016 20:42:47 GMT -5
I'm struggling to see how people are failing to believe that Snuka isn't capable of standing trial with all of the evidence and documented stories of how destructive pro-wrestling is to the human brain. I mean, Mick Foley is the perfect example of this isn't he? Still more than capable of entertaining and saying the right things but admits himself that he gets confused and disoriented so frequently that he needs to take his daughter on the road with him to make sure he's alright. Factor in that Foley is the best part of 25 years younger than Snuka, didn't wrestle for nearly as long and doesn't have the long term history of drug and alcohol abuse and I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that Snuka probably really struggles with a lot of things. Whether he's guilty or not, putting a confused old man (which is what he is Superfly or not) up to trial isn't going to get satisfactory results. Unfortunately life is simply unfair at times and this is possibly one of those occasions. I think the tough part is, when we're talking horrific acts, it can be emotionally difficult to separate the person from the action, and that's without any "part of one's childhood" sentiment. I've known many who watch their parents or grandparents slip into just something else, to be gone but still with moments of "how they used to be", I see it it the patients I work with, although with psychosis on top of dementia frequently, and there are moments of absolute lucidity where the person can even realize who they are or things they have done, show (and honestly emote) real feelings regarding the things they'e done, but slip back into the abyss just a few moments later. When we're talking violence, even from 30 years ago, we can see it two ways. First, "how can people not remember doing something so awful", and second, the inverse, "Look at them, they're not even there mentally". The truth, from my patients, is it's somewhere in the middle, as most things are. Did Snuka toss her out a window and kill her because he was under a bout of psychosis (with the drugs he was on, possible), did he go in with intent and do it? Or did something else happen that he was not a participant in, such as (if she was under the influence of whatever he was holding, likely some real potent stuff judging by the industry and time period) a drug-induced breakdown where she either tried to flee or jumped out of the breakdown and fell to her death? Fact is, the truth is somewhere in whatever mess Snuka's brain is, as he is by all accounts the only potential witness to the truth. The problem, though, is that when dealing with the after-effects of TBI or prolonged narcotics use, both of which I guarantee are somewhere in his med files, we can and do see a person actually have no recollection even fifteen minutes later. I have had that myself since the crash that messed me up, situations where I will be going through a daily task, enter a room to take part in some area of it, and have zero recollection for a few seconds on why I am even in that room. It comes to me at that point, but given the most likely repeated head trauma for Snuka along with the fac tthat he did enough coke to make Rick James look Amish, I can almost guarantee there are points where you could ask him what he had for breakfast a few hours earlier, and his confusion would be absolutely genuine.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Dec 4, 2016 0:42:21 GMT -5
Now things are murkier.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Dec 4, 2016 19:11:00 GMT -5
I'm not saying he deserves to die, but I won't mourn a guy who's basically about to Heisenberg his way out of jail time.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Dec 4, 2016 19:51:38 GMT -5
So when he does pass, either sooner or later, what will WWE do? I could see a ten bell salute, but not a video tribute.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Dec 4, 2016 20:07:01 GMT -5
So when he does pass, either sooner or later, what will WWE do? I could see a ten bell salute, but not a video tribute. I think we'll just get a graphic to open the show. I don't see him being talked about during the show.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 4, 2016 20:10:37 GMT -5
So when he does pass, either sooner or later, what will WWE do? I could see a ten bell salute, but not a video tribute. my guess is they'll have the momentum of silence Black screen with a picture of Jimmy with the years. At most on the show proper they might say something like our condolences to his daughter Tamina and the rest of his family.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 4, 2016 20:19:17 GMT -5
I feel bad for Tamina in all this, while my sympathy for Snuka himself could hardly be lower.
I can buy that he is not competent to stand trial, I don't think that's a stretch. Yes, he still does appearances, but what does that entail? Saying "Howyoudoin, brutha" and signing a picture or posing for an autograph. That doesn't require much processing power, to say the least, particularly with handlers shuffling him around.
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Post by edgestar on Dec 4, 2016 20:24:57 GMT -5
I feel bad for his family, and for the victim's family. This is a strange situation, and hopefully, he will confess anything about it before he passes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 0:02:20 GMT -5
To me, it doesn't matter whether he can currently remember things or not. When he killed her in 1983, he knew what he was doing. And in the 30+ years since, he's had time to think about it. Zero sympathy.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Dec 5, 2016 2:19:09 GMT -5
To me, it doesn't matter whether he can currently remember things or not. When he killed her in 1983, he knew what he was doing. And in the 30+ years since, he's had time to think about it. Zero sympathy. I'm not sure he knew what he was doing. It sounds like if he did kill her, it wasn't planned, but was in a coke-induced haze. He probably convinced himself for the last 30 years he didn't do it since he has no memory of it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 5:18:35 GMT -5
Coke induced or not, it wasn't a one time thing. There was at least one previous incident around the same time period where police were called to a hotel as he was out of control, with Nancy Argentino there as well. It was something he made a habit of doing, and one night he took it too far. He should have been put away a long time ago.
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Post by nisidhe on Dec 5, 2016 11:07:11 GMT -5
A graphic at the top of each show would be the most appropriate tribute, in my view. Anything more would draw unfavourable comparisons to Benoit. That Snuka has lived 34 years after Nancy Argentino's death without answering fully for what happened, and would be still revered as a wrestling superstar...well, it wouldn't go over well, I don't think.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 5, 2016 11:25:07 GMT -5
To me, it doesn't matter whether he can currently remember things or not. When he killed her in 1983, he knew what he was doing. And in the 30+ years since, he's had time to think about it. Zero sympathy. It's not that he can't remember what happened because having a shitty memory doesn't mean you aren't mentally fit to stand trial. as stated earlier to get that ruling of being mentally incompetent in PA. "Whenever a person who has been charged with a crime is found to be substantially unable to understand the nature or object of the proceedings against him or to participate and assist in his defense, he shall be deemed incompetent to be tried, convicted or sentenced so long as such incapacity continues." That's more than just I don't remember, that's not understanding why you are on trial/not understanding that you are on Trial.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 13:31:39 GMT -5
One of the articles I read about this said that before he went into hospice care he kept trying to leave the house every day because he thought he had to go to a wrestling booking.
He's not confessing, because he has no idea where he is (and who?) and what's happening - and at this point, any confession couldn't hold its weight amongst any serious crowd. He's too forgone to be believed. If he said his own name, one would probably not believe he even remembered it and had just been told to say that...
His dementia (compounded now with psychosis and hallucinations) and this terminal cancer means he was die terribly. Hospice care does well, but they can only usher you to death's door in each case as comfortably as they're able. And I think....in a way, those who demand he go to trial and/or pay for his crimes might just want to accept that *this* is his final punishment, and anything a court of law could ever do to him cannot compare to this.
As for any eventual WWE remembrance, run a R.I.P. screen at the top of Raw and a news item for him online ... and just leave it at that.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 5, 2016 13:33:13 GMT -5
Yeah, as I've said a few times Dementia is a terrible thing to have to live with.
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