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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2015 8:47:01 GMT -5
The main draw for WWE right now is the WWE brand itself. Hardly anyone goes to see a specific wrestler, they just go because it's WWE. I don't believe this at all. Despite the product not getting any worse, ratings are continually weakening. Yes, media changes and all that, and there's the fact that it's WWE almost certainly influences attendance, but almost every fan has a few wrestlers who give them extra motivation to go to shows, watch PPVs, pay attention to what's happening on TV, etc. It's easy to dismiss any particular wrestler as being able to draw, but this is also a company whose banner is carried by a guy who's been facing accusations of being tired and stale since like, what? 2009? 2008? That was a long time ago in TV years.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2015 10:16:33 GMT -5
WWE has built a model where they could put pretty much anyone at the upper-midcard level into that position and make it work with varying degrees of success.
As far as someone being a cult phenom like Austin or Rock, I'd say probably not due to WWE's apparent mistrust of anyone getting too popular that they won't need WWE anymore.
Basically WWE never wants any one star to be bigger than the company itself for fear of them walking out on them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2015 10:46:52 GMT -5
John Cena isn't getting replaced as the top draw until he's gone. That's how it always works. The top guy never slowly but surely fades back and puts over the new top draw. It'd be a great scenario, but the top guy wants to hold onto his spot and the company doesn't want to rock the giant boat until it has to. The last time they really tried that was Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart, and we saw how that went.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 11, 2015 11:02:56 GMT -5
No. Somebody always comes along and become that guy. Cena wasn't penciled in to be the guy until it actually happened. Just a matter of crowd reaction and superstar connection. His first match was with Kurt Angle and his first feud was with Chris Jericho. While they cooled on him a little bit, he was always destined for the top spot. He was never seriously depushed before the rapper act took off, he was just at the level he should have been at that point of his career. While Cena probably wasn't intended to be the face of Raw, they clearly wanted Orton for that, he would have main evented Smackdown and held their world title no matter what. yeah he faced off against Angle... because Undertaker was hurt if the stories Cena nad Jericho told are to be believed. Then he faced Jericho and won... and then ended up on Velocity for like months. They had no plans for him. Until the rapper stuff. Even then Cena was never meant to be THE guy at best when the he was going to be Lesnar's rival.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 11, 2015 13:12:43 GMT -5
His first match was with Kurt Angle and his first feud was with Chris Jericho. While they cooled on him a little bit, he was always destined for the top spot. He was never seriously depushed before the rapper act took off, he was just at the level he should have been at that point of his career. While Cena probably wasn't intended to be the face of Raw, they clearly wanted Orton for that, he would have main evented Smackdown and held their world title no matter what. yeah he faced off against Angle... because Undertaker was hurt if the stories Cena nad Jericho told are to be believed. Then he faced Jericho and won... and then ended up on Velocity for like months. They had no plans for him. Until the rapper stuff. Even then Cena was never meant to be THE guy at best when the he was going to be Lesnar's rival. I think Cena was meant to be like most of the guys they have now: Solid midcard hands who could be inserted into Title picture when needed.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 11, 2015 13:28:32 GMT -5
His first match was with Kurt Angle and his first feud was with Chris Jericho. While they cooled on him a little bit, he was always destined for the top spot. He was never seriously depushed before the rapper act took off, he was just at the level he should have been at that point of his career. While Cena probably wasn't intended to be the face of Raw, they clearly wanted Orton for that, he would have main evented Smackdown and held their world title no matter what. yeah he faced off against Angle... because Undertaker was hurt if the stories Cena nad Jericho told are to be believed. Then he faced Jericho and won... and then ended up on Velocity for like months. They had no plans for him. Until the rapper stuff. Even then Cena was never meant to be THE guy at best when the he was going to be Lesnar's rival. I came to respond something like that back but you put basically what I would of said.
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Post by rippo on Sept 11, 2015 17:16:28 GMT -5
GOOD.
I hate when the company is built around one guy.
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Sept 12, 2015 15:03:50 GMT -5
I really wish I had the optimism that a lot of you guys had. Looking at WWE today, they could easily have a new top star leading the company, but due to either stubbornness or simply being out of touch with what fans want, we're probably not getting a new top guy for at least another few years.
It could've been Daniel Bryan, but Vince thought he was too small & too injury-prone. It could've been Cesaro, but Vince thought he couldn't connect. He did think that Roman had the size necessary for the part and that he could connect with the audience, but we all saw how that turned out.
So we come into this neutral zone: fans reject any new pet project that the WWE tries to prop up because they have the stigma of being one of "Vince's guys", and WWE rejects any star that actually gets over with the fans due to whatever arbitrary bullshit that Vince, Dunn, & HHH all try to think up of.
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Post by lebuddha on Oct 4, 2015 3:57:20 GMT -5
Ever? Nah, eventually someone will be THE guy. Now whether there's ever some sort of boom period or what have you is an entirely different matter/discussion. But eventually someone else will be their standard bearer. But there was no main guy for WWF during 93-97. After Hogan left, they tried to fill in the role with Luger, Bret Hart, and Shawn Michaels and they couldn't be THE guy who sells a shit-ton of merchandise like Hogan, Rock, and Austin did. WCW did it with nWo shirts, WWF did it with Austin 3:16 shirts.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Oct 4, 2015 4:02:11 GMT -5
I thought Kevin Owen could reach it, until WWE got cold feet and let him get Cena'd. Now he's just another guy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 4:14:06 GMT -5
We just had Daniel Bryan.
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Post by The Robisher on Oct 4, 2015 6:51:38 GMT -5
Three pages and I'm surprised no one said the name FINN BALOR. Soon as he's called up, he's going to be the WWE-produced guy that the fans already love with a passion.
I'll say the same for a tag team...Big Cass and Enzo Amore.
The problem is WWE's main roster is stale. We've seen the same washed-up, beat-up performers for 15 to 17 years and the WWE audience has finally wised-up and grown tired of them and the company's repetitive angles. Lastly, the talent that should still be here left because they got tired of the bullshit.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Oct 4, 2015 11:17:15 GMT -5
It's gonna happen again. Organically. Maybe not anytime soon but someday. Despite WWE's best efforts. Triple-H actually knows when to fold, so expect it from him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 11:48:05 GMT -5
I thought Kevin Owen could reach it, until WWE got cold feet and let him get Cena'd. Now he's just another guy. He's a new Dusty Rhodes waiting to happen. Owens as a babyface could be their biggest star.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 12:57:25 GMT -5
I feel like Sami Zayn could do it, but they're as likely to put me in that spot as they are him.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Oct 4, 2015 13:05:44 GMT -5
Could have been Punk in 2011, but they derailed him. Could have been Bryan in 2013, but he was jerked around. Could have been Ambrose in 2014, but they threw Bray "Wet Blanket" Wyatt on him. 3 examples within 3 years where they've sabotaged a guy who was on fire with the fans and moving merch. It's bullshit.
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Post by Dang! on Oct 4, 2015 13:22:00 GMT -5
I think another Roman Reigns mega push is around the corner. It was very obvious that he was the one they were going to push as THE MAN this year. However, the timing was terrible and the push was aborted or at least delayed. Cena won't be on top forever and Lesnar is already 38 as well, so eventually there will be someone, but think it will take a year or two. Maybe it will be someone that we don't even know by now.
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Post by Dang! on Oct 4, 2015 13:24:39 GMT -5
I thought Kevin Owen could reach it, until WWE got cold feet and let him get Cena'd. Now he's just another guy. Are you serious? Kevin Owens doesn NOT have a marketable look. He is good, but he's not the guy to build a company around.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Oct 4, 2015 13:33:02 GMT -5
I have no faith in WWE making any stars whatsoever. At least not any that would be a significant draw.
This is all on Vince. He's the guy who makes these decisions, and it's his fault that nobody has been able to catch on, or allowed to catch on without having their legs cut out from underneath them. Sure, there are probably other factors, but at the end of the day he's the guy who makes all the big decisions and so he's the one whose responsible for these countless failures to do so.
And truth be told I don't think we'll ever see another big star as long as he's in charge.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Oct 4, 2015 16:03:02 GMT -5
I think that all the cards are being played to make Sami or Finn as their "Ace" with guys like owens and the shield as the upper midcards
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