Bo Rida
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Post by Bo Rida on Sept 16, 2015 8:13:12 GMT -5
Let me pre-face this by saying I've skipped a lot of his segments which is probably why I don't get it. However in the wrestler of the year thread (and a few others) I saw a lot of praise so I thought I should try to understand why.
At the start of the year (and before) Seth was fearless, one of the only people willing to get in Brock's face and always had a scheme ready to go. The writing and his in-ring skill backed it up, he was good, he knew it, everybody else knew it and he proved it. He'd still pick his fights and hide behind J&J but when the moment came he wouldn't back down. Great, I got this character and him cashing his MitB at WM was perfect for him.
Then he turned into Authority Orton suffering from doubts and paranoia which led to endless bickering with Kane, this is where I lost interest. I couldn't understand why he changed.
Next he appeared to become The Honky Tonk Man, benefiting from blind luck rather than his own schemes. He was presented as a paper champion with no chance against Lesnar, he looked petrified of The Beast despite previous success against him and basically spent their whole match getting beat down until he lucked out again.
Then Cena and Sting both started talking up how good he is again and commentary have gone along with it.
Why? What has changed? He needed a celeb to win at S.Slam and has lost a few matches on Raw so why is he is now presented as a credible champion when he wasn't against Lesnar?
I just don't get it. Who is he supposed to be? Did I miss the reasons for the transitions? Can you put those traits together to form a consistent character?
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Sept 16, 2015 8:23:14 GMT -5
They're treating Seth as legit again? Thank f*** for that. I don't watch RAW anymore so seeing his transition from PPV to PPV has possibly been even more jarring. This was the guy who was so arrogant he wasn't even afraid of Brock Lesnar and over the course of just a couple of PPV's he'd turned into this snivelling weasel who was afraid of his own shadow. With a pretty unique perspective of never seeing RAW and only seeing Seth from one PPV to the next it was seismic in terms of complete character change. Utterly bizarre.
I am glad to hear they've flipped back to treating him like a threat though. That was what made Seth my favourite guy in WWE from his heel turn 'til Mania. He was different to every other heel we see these days (they're either cowards who slime their way to victory or big angry monster's) because yeah he was small, conceited and arrogant but he could back it up AND he was smart. There's nothing better than an intelligent, talented heel because it makes you hate them even more. It's so frustrating because you know if they just played by the rules they could probably win clean but the bastard's choose to cheat anyway. That was the vibe of mid-2014 through 'Mania Rollins. Every time I've seen him since he's just looked like a joke so I look forward to hopefully seeing him treated as legit at NoC.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 16, 2015 8:37:07 GMT -5
Whatever they are trying to do with this cat, I'm tired of it.
Take the straps off him ASAP like his last name was Rocky.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 8:43:36 GMT -5
I don't remember him ever being this cagey, brave evil guy.
As long as I can remember the dude was a coward who ran from Dean Ambrose every chance he got and only managed to get a shot on him when he had a pile of goons with him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 8:44:19 GMT -5
He actually seemed to be fearless again when he beat Ambrose on his own and said he didn't need the Authority. Then like a week later he is kissing their asses and buying them cars so they have his back again.
It doesn't make sense to me either.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 16, 2015 8:45:49 GMT -5
He's a constantly evolving heel who character changes due to Creative not wanting to stick to a narrative. He's a embolden villian one second and a slimy weasel the next. I'm glad he's not SRS (Probably just jinx him). Whatever they are trying to do with this cat, I'm tired of it. Take the straps off him ASAP like his last name was Rocky. I don't agree with this but got to give props for the killer line. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 8:55:05 GMT -5
He actually seemed to be fearless again when he beat Ambrose on his own and said he didn't need the Authority. Then like a week later he is kissing their asses and buying them cars so they have his back again. It doesn't make sense to me either. A week later? Literally, the segment after he cut that promo about not needing The Authority, he's back there saying "my bad guys I didn't mean it please help me". The guy is being murdered by the writing. |
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Post by Germansuplex on Sept 16, 2015 9:19:40 GMT -5
The guy Everyone who's not Cena or Lesnar is being murdered by the writing. Fixed for accuracy. |
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Post by oneday on Sept 16, 2015 9:28:05 GMT -5
We only have one Fearless Champion in this Company  |
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Post by Macho Pichu on Sept 16, 2015 9:50:22 GMT -5
Considering who his opponents have been lately, Triple H may literally be using Rollins as a stand-in for himself. He's spent the latter half of this year doing the pedigree and working people who are bigger draws than him.
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Post by lesleymoon on Sept 16, 2015 10:05:27 GMT -5
But he has kind of always been the slimy weasly heel though. He betrayed his Shield brothers for a chance at solo stardom. The Authority picked him not just because he is talented but because they felt they could manipulate and control him.
The Authority has coddled Seth, they've given him everything he wanted, all the while telling him how great he is. Of course he is going to be cocky and think he can take on all comers. Who wouldn't in his case?
Seth is a spoiled petulant child, pretty much. Granted a talented spoiled petulant child, but a spoiled petulant child nonetheless.
And really if you think about it, it makes sense that even when he went out on his own, he went into a group. In a sense he has ALWAYS been protected and has never, truly had to make it on his own.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Sept 16, 2015 10:33:54 GMT -5
He CAN handle himself on his own but he he would rather the easier route of having The Authority help him.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Sept 16, 2015 11:06:47 GMT -5
I think the story is Triple H and Steph pushing him into all these high profile matches because they want back the Architect of the Shield and the same sadistic jackass that flat out attempted to murder Ambrose, not someone who's been dodging ever since his masterplan came to pass
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 12:08:12 GMT -5
I think the story is Triple H and Steph pushing him into all these high profile matches because they want back the Architect of the Shield and the same sadistic jackass that flat out attempted to murder Ambrose, not someone who's been dodging ever since his masterplan came to pass So it's basically the exact same as the storyline where Triple H and Steph put Randy Orton in high profile matches because they wanted The Viper, not the inept coward he'd become? That's actually a pretty good summary of Rollins' character, TBH. He's a second-rate Randy Orton, without the benefit of having been in the main event for years before suddenly becoming completely incompetent. |
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Sept 16, 2015 12:33:47 GMT -5
I think the story is Triple H and Steph pushing him into all these high profile matches because they want back the Architect of the Shield and the same sadistic jackass that flat out attempted to murder Ambrose, not someone who's been dodging ever since his masterplan came to pass So it's basically the exact same as the storyline where Triple H and Steph put Randy Orton in high profile matches because they wanted The Viper, not the inept coward he'd become? That's actually a pretty good summary of Rollins' character, TBH. He's a second-rate Randy Orton, without the benefit of having been in the main event for years before suddenly becoming completely incompetent. Makes sense though. Randy failed to reawaken the viper, so Seth offed him. In fact, I'm fairly certain we can logic it to Seth seeing Orton's return fakeout a mile off just like we did, and just let him get revenge so that he would walk out of WM early and satisfied instead of messing with the masterplan. Also factoring in: Hoping Ambrose would wreck his shit in the ladder match. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 16, 2015 12:42:48 GMT -5
He's Stephanie and HHH's son.
Who is always trying to impress mom and dad, but when things get tough, he asks them for help.
And they are proud of him, even though they show him tough love.
That's the WWE Champion, right now.
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Sept 16, 2015 12:45:47 GMT -5
The topic is about his character, but you're just talking about booking and finishes. He can be a good character that he portrays very well, while still being booked terribly.
Whether John Stewart saved him or he just lost the match to Cena, either way Rollins is the same character, for example. Wins and losses aren't his character.
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Post by Cela on Sept 16, 2015 12:49:51 GMT -5
Generic cowardly corporate champion #178
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Sept 16, 2015 12:52:41 GMT -5
Generic cowardly corporate champion #178 Arrogant heel would be a better summary I think. He had this character before being the champ, and he'll have it afterwards, having champ as part of his character description doesn't really make sense to me. (For Cena, that's another story, he has nothing else going on) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 13:26:26 GMT -5
Looking for an explanation for a character isn't fun, maggle! Why don't you use the hashtag #RollinsVsSting instead and be a part of the conversation.
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