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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 20:43:37 GMT -5
I think Vickie Guerrero turned X-Pac Heat on its head, so to speak. So many people were 100% sure all of her crowd reactions were X-Pac Heat because they were always so volatile relative to what she actually did.
I was one of them. I was sure "EXCUSE ME!" in a high pitched screech was too stupid and simple to make an effective heel. It had to be X-Pac heat.
Then she retired. The crowd was 100% on her side on her last night with the company. If they were *really* dismissive of her she wouldn't have got that kind of reaction. All the booing was just due to natural heeldom.
So since then, I've been kind of wary about the whole X-Pac Heat thing...I think others might be too.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 17, 2015 20:49:57 GMT -5
It's never really existed. If you're getting a reaction, no matter the rationale, it can only be seen as a positive in the eyes of promoters and such.
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Post by idislikeeverything on Sept 17, 2015 21:02:34 GMT -5
I think Vickie Guerrero turned X-Pac Heat on its head, so to speak. So many people were 100% sure all of her crowd reactions were X-Pac Heat because they were always so volatile relative to what she actually did. I was one of them. I was sure "EXCUSE ME!" in a high pitched screech was too stupid and simple to make an effective heel. It had to be X-Pac heat. Then she retired. The crowd was 100% on her side on her last night with the company. If they were *really* dismissive of her she wouldn't have got that kind of reaction. All the booing was just due to natural heeldom. So since then, I've been kind of wary about the whole X-Pac Heat thing...I think others might be too. That night convinced me she was one of the best all time performers in WWE. She got molten lava heat, 10 nuclear bombs heat every show then on her last night, managed a face turn with the crowd genuinely sad to see her go with Eddie's music and the Eddie shuffle. The lady was just awesome. One of those "don't know what you've got until it is gone" things.
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Post by Macho Pichu on Sept 17, 2015 22:44:57 GMT -5
I refuse to call it X-Pac Heat. Mostly because I enjoy X-Pac. Can we go back to calling it Bossman Heat again? Just because he died, doesn't mean he wasn't getting "go away" heat. Being a nice person has little to do with how compelling they were at that point.
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Post by Tony Schiavontay on Sept 18, 2015 0:17:15 GMT -5
nobody understands what X-pac heat is anymore. if your presence tells the viewing audience its time to take a piss break, if people actively change the channel because they don't want to watch you, if people won't pay money to watch you get your ass kicked or buy products with your face on it, it doesn't matter if you're "getting a reaction". x-pac heat transcends wrestling, it's a basic economic concept. why do you think Shia Laboeuf stopped appearing in everything? people like Nikki Bella and Sheamus getting "get the f*** off my tv" heat hinder the product and continuing to push them when they don't make you any money is flat out ridiculous. mind, that's nothing new, Vince had that big man-crush on proven non-draw Shawn Michaels for years. So what you're saying is that it's a great idea to keep pushing Sheamus because he's a highlight of the show every week and a proven draw.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 18, 2015 0:20:51 GMT -5
I refuse to call it X-Pac Heat. Mostly because I enjoy X-Pac. Can we go back to calling it Bossman Heat again? Just because he died, doesn't mean he wasn't getting "go away" heat. Being a nice person has little to do with how compelling they were at that point. I enjoyed Bossman and have no recollection of it ever being called "Bossman Heat".
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Sept 18, 2015 1:58:11 GMT -5
I refuse to call it X-Pac Heat. Mostly because I enjoy X-Pac. Can we go back to calling it Bossman Heat again? Just because he died, doesn't mean he wasn't getting "go away" heat. Being a nice person has little to do with how compelling they were at that point. I think it's probably too hard to go back to that now, mostly because the stuff that Bossman was doing is now seen as hilarious by a lot of people.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Sept 18, 2015 2:17:31 GMT -5
I refuse to call it X-Pac Heat. Mostly because I enjoy X-Pac. Can we go back to calling it Bossman Heat again? Just because he died, doesn't mean he wasn't getting "go away" heat. Being a nice person has little to do with how compelling they were at that point. I enjoyed Bossman and have no recollection of it ever being called "Bossman Heat". I remember Bossman heat being a thing before he passed. It became a thing around the same time X-Pac Heat, because neither man seemed to evolve out of 1998 despite the fact that the mid-card had grown leaps and bounds from all the talent coming in from WCW and ECW, first with the entities have money/creative problems, and then ceasing to exist all together.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Sept 18, 2015 6:13:01 GMT -5
I refuse to call it X-Pac Heat. Mostly because I enjoy X-Pac. Can we go back to calling it Bossman Heat again? Just because he died, doesn't mean he wasn't getting "go away" heat. Being a nice person has little to do with how compelling they were at that point. honestly I think calling it "go the f*** away" heat is better than naming it after a wrestler. easier to explain, too.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 18, 2015 7:10:05 GMT -5
X-Pac heat is like the longevity pop that guys like Funaki, Bob Holly and Scotty 2 Hotty used to get, while it's nice to hear quiet TV/PPV audiences react to someone outside of the main event, it's meaningless as no-one is paying to see them wrestle and very few want to buy their merchandise. If you can't make money from a guy getting that sort of reaction, what good is it?
People don't want to cheer the heels, but the long term main event faces just aren't in any way compelling, people can't get invested in the adventures of a character that smiles and slaps hands and always wins without any consequences, they just can't, Superman isn't even written that way these days unless it's in fiction aimed at the very, very young.
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Post by mizerable on Sept 18, 2015 9:01:05 GMT -5
When the crowd is super apathetic, then they would prefer X-Pac heat.
I think the biggest example is Vickie Guerrero. Not entertaining at all, yet they kept carting her out there because she always got a reaction.
Even her 'face turn' at the end got a mixed pop at best.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2015 9:54:42 GMT -5
X-Pac heat is like the longevity pop that guys like Funaki, Bob Holly and Scotty 2 Hotty used to get, while it's nice to hear quiet TV/PPV audiences react to someone outside of the main event, it's meaningless as no-one is paying to see them wrestle and very few want to buy their merchandise. If you can't make money from a guy getting that sort of reaction, what good is it? People don't want to cheer the heels, but the long term main event faces just aren't in any way compelling, people can't get invested in the adventures of a character that smiles and slaps hands and always wins without any consequences, they just can't, Superman isn't even written that way these days unless it's in fiction aimed at the very, very young. They had 2 main event babyfaces that you could put up against any cool heel and still get great face reactions: CM Punk and Daniel Bryan. I think Dean Ambrose is another one, Dean's not gonna get booed no matter who he's in the ring with. The problem for the longest time is not having babyfaces the fans connect strongly with, so they turn to the heels because they're given more to do. John Cena being the top "face" for 10 years speaks heavily to that.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Sept 18, 2015 10:07:55 GMT -5
The fans caught on that their reactions have a hand in dictating what happens to performers. If you like Rusev the performer, you don't want to boo him, because that won't help him climb the ranks and keep entertaining you. Boos are quieter than cheers, and they're harder to interpret as excitement. So all you can do is cheer, because you don't want him to get forgotten about by the bookers.
I went to an indie show last month, and people were booing the heels all over the place. It wasn't because we were angry at the heels or disliked them or wanted them to get beaten up... it was just fun to interact with the show and to have the heels play off our reaction. There wasn't any danger of that performer getting left behind or suddenly repacked because we weren't showing any excitement. There's faith in the bookers, and the stakes aren't that high anyway.
Long story short: The WWE has made it so the only appropriate way to react to a performer you like is cheers and chants. The only thing that's left over is X-Pac heat.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Sept 18, 2015 11:14:23 GMT -5
Just as I have finally erased this image from my mind, someone always comes along to rumble it from the depths of my brain. Sweet god.
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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 18, 2015 11:42:47 GMT -5
When X Pac stopped acting like a grade a douche who stalks Chyna
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 18, 2015 12:54:26 GMT -5
X-Pac heat is like the longevity pop that guys like Funaki, Bob Holly and Scotty 2 Hotty used to get, while it's nice to hear quiet TV/PPV audiences react to someone outside of the main event, it's meaningless as no-one is paying to see them wrestle and very few want to buy their merchandise. If you can't make money from a guy getting that sort of reaction, what good is it? People don't want to cheer the heels, but the long term main event faces just aren't in any way compelling, people can't get invested in the adventures of a character that smiles and slaps hands and always wins without any consequences, they just can't, Superman isn't even written that way these days unless it's in fiction aimed at the very, very young. They had 2 main event babyfaces that you could put up against any cool heel and still get great face reactions: CM Punk and Daniel Bryan. I think Dean Ambrose is another one, Dean's not gonna get booed no matter who he's in the ring with. The problem for the longest time is not having babyfaces the fans connect strongly with, so they turn to the heels because they're given more to do. John Cena being the top "face" for 10 years speaks heavily to that. WWE has spent the last few years largely neglecting the face side of the roster just to push the heels to be foils for Cena, Orton or whoever the uppercard face pet project is. Alberto Del Rio's "Wheel of Aggression" is the worst example of how they would have a guy crush the face roster for no reason other than to feed him to Sheamus or whomever. The roster mostly goes main event faces > main event heels > midcard heels > lower card heels that might get used to get beaten up for comedy segments > Everyone else
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Sept 18, 2015 14:40:22 GMT -5
Lots of guys labelling someone with xpac heat also try to ignore the heat that someone gets when they just don't like him/her
Is a term that really nobody gets, for me the real "troublesome" heat is the conway pop. that's when you must be really worried since silence makes some awkaward segments that you don't want to watch at all
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 18, 2015 16:01:43 GMT -5
It's never really existed. If you're getting a reaction, no matter the rationale, it can only be seen as a positive in the eyes of promoters and such. I disagree. I doubt people changing the channel when someone comes on is what the promoters see as good heat.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Sept 18, 2015 16:10:03 GMT -5
It's never really existed. If you're getting a reaction, no matter the rationale, it can only be seen as a positive in the eyes of promoters and such. I disagree. I doubt people changing the channel when someone comes on is what the promoters see as good heat. Problem is that you can't measure xpac heat with ratings when the discussion mostly refers to live reactions.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 18, 2015 16:11:11 GMT -5
If it would be possible to prove large numbers are changin channels I would agree
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