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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Dec 13, 2015 11:51:22 GMT -5
Of the guys who were already decently established in the 80's and early 90's in the family friendly cartoon era of WWF, who do you think best made the jump over to the edgy era of the late 90's, or who didn't adapt so well?
I'd nominate Hogan for best, biggest face of the 80's to biggest heel of the 90's at the time.
Worst, Bret Hart. 5 time champion but after Attitude started he was humiliated on front of the world at SS97, lost his brother, and then had his career ended, and this is all besides the fact that he didn't approve of the new racier direction wrestling was going.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Dec 13, 2015 12:07:51 GMT -5
I would say the Undertaker and Terry Funk are two who adapted well
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Post by Vern on Dec 13, 2015 12:27:37 GMT -5
If we're considering Bret and Taker to be "big deals in the 80's" we'll have to count Foley, Bossman, Rikishi, Goldust, Jarrett, Patterson, Brisco & dozens of others as well. I wouldn't count Taker as a big deal until 91 and Bret until 92. Depends on your definition I guess...
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Dec 13, 2015 12:30:01 GMT -5
If we're considering Bret and Taker to be "big deals in the 80's" we'll have to count Foley, Bossman, Rikishi, Goldust, Jarrett, Patterson, Brisco & dozens of others as well. I wouldn't count Taker as a big deal until 91 and Bret until 92. Depends on your definition I guess... Bret was a tag team champion in the 80's, he was far ahead of the likes of Foley and Goldust who didn't blow up until the 90's. And I'm more talking about that classic era than defined dates. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 12:40:04 GMT -5
Scott Steiner adapted nicely. From awesome wrestler with no real personality or gimmick in an awesome tag team to the iconic Big Poppa Pump and one of the bright spots during the doldrums of WCW's existence.
Roddy Piper should have adapted nicely since his strength was always his talking ability, but he was just kind of there during that era.
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Dec 13, 2015 12:44:57 GMT -5
John Tenta, from "main event with Hogan" Earthquake, to Oddities Golga with some WCW wrestlecrap thrown in the middle.
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Post by Vern on Dec 13, 2015 12:45:14 GMT -5
If we're considering Bret and Taker to be "big deals in the 80's" we'll have to count Foley, Bossman, Rikishi, Goldust, Jarrett, Patterson, Brisco & dozens of others as well. I wouldn't count Taker as a big deal until 91 and Bret until 92. Depends on your definition I guess... Bret was a tag team champion in the 80's, he was far ahead of the likes of Foley and Goldust who didn't blow up until the 90's. And I'm more talking about that classic era than defined dates. Then still everyone else I listed really. I get what you're going for but until the "New Generation" era Bret was a midcarder, and if we're including guys who were midcarders 85-92 and went on to have success 96-01 then that's a hell of a lot of names. |
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Post by celtics543 on Dec 13, 2015 13:10:59 GMT -5
Jerry Lawler adapted well. Say what you want about his commentary now but he went from one of the top wrestlers in the 70's and 80's to the top color commentator in wrestling for the attitude era.
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Dec 13, 2015 13:13:19 GMT -5
Bret was a tag team champion in the 80's, he was far ahead of the likes of Foley and Goldust who didn't blow up until the 90's. And I'm more talking about that classic era than defined dates. Then still everyone else I listed really. I get what you're going for but until the "New Generation" era Bret was a midcarder, and if we're including guys who were midcarders 85-92 and went on to have success 96-01 then that's a hell of a lot of names. Bret debuted in wrestling in 1978. I think Foley wasn't until 86 and Goldust 88, they were still rookies and trying to find themselves while Bret had already the basis for his character that would blossom into main eventer, so I associate Bret with that era more. The Hart Foundation were a firm part of that amazing tag scene in WWF. There's a lot of guys who were around the 80's in someway but didn't really come into their own until the 90's, the likes of Scott Hall for example. While he was still bouncing around gimmicks and name, Bret was already Bret "The Hitman" Hart in the pink and black. |
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Post by paperbackhero on Dec 13, 2015 15:09:12 GMT -5
It depends on the timelines. I thought Rock N Wrestling was from when Hogan won the title first, until 87. Was Attitude 97 to 2000? Also...RnW was only WWF as far as Im concerned. So that makes the choices limited. If one considers the Attitude era encompassing WCW, then Hogan would be the only major player. Lots of guys were bit players in one or the other, or big in one era, and a bit player in the other. Hogan is the only one I can think of. Maybe Funk...maybe Piper and Savage...but those only with the WCW .
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Dec 13, 2015 15:36:31 GMT -5
ok maybe I should have just made this "established guys from the family friendly era who coped well, or not, with the change over to an edgier wrestling landscape." I guess rock'n'wrestling wasn't the right expression to use, or mentioning the 80's specifically, but I was just looking for some term to represent the old school era. Someone like Bret is an infamous example of somebody who exemplified the old school mentality with technical proficiency to boot who openly hated the new trashy/sexy direction of the late 90's and experienced a series of disasters in that time.
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Post by paperbackhero on Dec 13, 2015 16:12:36 GMT -5
Well then. Guys who spanned over different eras and had success? Defining success will be tough...as will defining eras...
For me, a big deal are guys that were tippy top in multiple eras...then the list would be longer, but only filled with top names. Hogan, Flair, Savage, Backlund, Sting, Michaels, Hall, Nash, Muta, Kenta, Andre, Piper, Funk, Misawa, Dusty, RVD, Dudleys, Hart, Race...and Im sure Im missing a ton.
Road Warriors were tip top, but only for a small period...when they went to WWF, they already peaked, and they spiralled down. ECW guys were booked up top in ECW, but also got up top in WWF.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 16:34:00 GMT -5
Big Boss Man.
Boy he got really evil during the attitude era.
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Post by willywonka666 on Dec 14, 2015 0:03:49 GMT -5
Whoah-he said Rock'n'wrestling-that's 85-88 or so. Not taker and Foley's time
Also, Sadly I must say I don't think Terry Funk was much in the states-he lost A LOT. Now Japan? Ok
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Dec 14, 2015 7:01:47 GMT -5
Well then. Guys who spanned over different eras and had success? Defining success will be tough...as will defining eras... For me, a big deal are guys that were tippy top in multiple eras...then the list would be longer, but only filled with top names. Hogan, Flair, Savage, Backlund, Sting, Michaels, Hall, Nash, Muta, Kenta, Andre, Piper, Funk, Misawa, Dusty, RVD, Dudleys, Hart, Race...and Im sure Im missing a ton. Road Warriors were tip top, but only for a small period...when they went to WWF, they already peaked, and they spiralled down. ECW guys were booked up top in ECW, but also got up top in WWF. Well the likes of Andre and Race dont apply, since Im talking about old school guys who were around during the Attitude era. I didn't realise this thread would cause so much confusion, but I should have known, this being the internet and all! In most threads like this people will just take the premise and expand on it anyway so I can see the argument for Undertaker being an ok example of someone from the cartoony era who was able to adjust with the change in style later, even if he wasn't specifically rock'n'wrestling (again, Im sorry for using that term at all  ). Please forgive me, I was very hungover and tired when I made the original post! Ive edited it. |
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Post by paperbackhero on Dec 14, 2015 9:10:46 GMT -5
Nice. Blame the Internet for your vague post. It was confusing...so you modified it. You had the issue, not the internet. I was trying to add to the conversation, by narrowing down, or helping to explain. What kind of answer were you looking for? I was asking if you meant guys who spanned multiple eras, hence mentioning guys who did. You apparently are looking for an answer I cannot provide.
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Post by nickcave on Dec 14, 2015 9:59:29 GMT -5
The Road Warriors tanked hard during the Attitude era
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Post by Milkman Norm on Dec 14, 2015 10:14:21 GMT -5
Vince. From cheesy babyface 'whatamanuver" announcer to Mr.McMahon.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 10:40:38 GMT -5
I'd say Bret Hart adapted well since he's the old bitter man who hates how the world is changing and cheering for anti heroes like Stone Cold and not real heroes like him.
Backlund adapted amazingly well during his comeback and his gimmick would of done amazingly well in the attitude era.
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Dec 14, 2015 10:50:14 GMT -5
Nice. Blame the Internet for your vague post. It was confusing...so you modified it. You had the issue, not the internet. I was trying to add to the conversation, by narrowing down, or helping to explain. What kind of answer were you looking for? I was asking if you meant guys who spanned multiple eras, hence mentioning guys who did. You apparently are looking for an answer I cannot provide. Im not blaming the internet (I love you guys), as I said I am sorry! I just should have known I should have been clearer when posting something online. |
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