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Post by Professor Chaos on Jan 8, 2016 23:36:45 GMT -5
Finally saw this movie today. It definitely felt like the original Star Wars to me unlike the prequels. I left the theater and thought they painted a clear picture that Rey is Luke's daughter then I read this thread.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 9, 2016 2:59:19 GMT -5
If she's Luke's daughter, she'll at least have a mother. Unless the midichlorians got Luke pregnant.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 9, 2016 4:08:37 GMT -5
He knows, he sees that last second face turn as weakness. This is somebody who sees Han Solo as weak, Han freaking Solo. He idolizes the evilness of Vader, he idolizes the part of Vader that purged the Jedi, murdered children, had no problem with the destruction of Alderaan, and chopped Luke's hand off. The best summation of Kylo I've seen is that if he were real, he'd be a mass shooter. Was Gale Simone the first person to bring that up or someone else? It was her tweet I saw on that. It really is a decent comparison. I think Simone was really the first one to put it out there that Kylo was a school shooter.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Jan 9, 2016 5:49:24 GMT -5
If she's Luke's daughter, she'll at least have a mother. Unless the midichlorians got Luke pregnant. I'm guessing her mother is Captain Phasma.
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Jan 9, 2016 7:35:39 GMT -5
Finally caught this yesterday and I thought it was pretty good. Sure it shared a lot of same thematic elements as the other movies especially the very first one, but then again so did the prequels. Plus New Hope is still the go to example of the hero's journey template for most screenwriting instructors so really it's no surprise to see it brought into a new age.
Kind of figured that Han wasn't going to make out of this one alive. Although I always saw him going out Butch and Sundance style as the odds finally caught up to him, but getting impaled and shafted by your ungrateful child works too. And as cliche as it was I like that Kylo finally giving into to the dark side happened just as the planet's sun was extinguished. Symbolizing the last bit of light being snuffed out.
Speaking of which the little moment of Han and Leia's brief reunion and goodbye near the end was handled pretty well. Seeing Fisher and Ford stepping right into characters they haven't played on screen in over three decades and not missing a beat was awesome. Can't wait to see Hamill will do with his larger role in 8 and 9.
As much as it was nice to see the old guard again, the new characters were engaging enough to keep me invested and longing to see where their paths will eventually take them, heck I even liked BB-8 (I chuckled at its "Droid Sempai noticed me" moment with R2-D2 at the end.)
I also liked the look and feel of the film there was a good mix of practical and computer generated effects that led to some great shots and lush organic looking backdrops. (That sweeping shot at the end on the mountain top was spectacular.)
All in all I left the theater feeling satisfied and a little relieved to see this franchise was left in some good hands.
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Post by CMWaters on Jan 9, 2016 10:30:48 GMT -5
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jan 9, 2016 11:31:58 GMT -5
I guess the theories on Rey being Luke/Obi Wan/Qui-Gon's daughter all depend on if you believe they strayed from Jedi teachings or not. Although Luke defying the Jedi guidelines and having a kid would fit in with theories that he turned to the Dark Side of the Force to defeat Vader.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jan 9, 2016 11:51:32 GMT -5
I guess the theories on Rey being Luke/Obi Wan/Qui-Gon's daughter all depend on if you believe they strayed from Jedi teachings or not. Although Luke defying the Jedi guidelines and having a kid would fit in with theories that he turned to the Dark Side of the Force to defeat Vader. There's nothing in Jedi teachings that says that a Jedi can't get married or have kids, just that they can't form close attachments that might affect their judgment. Granted having a wife or kid and not forming a close attachment to them is kinda a crummy thing to do, but it happens. A more likely reason though would be that Luke at least partially blamed those old beliefs for Anakin going nutzy-coocoo so when he recreated the Jedi Order he decided to be more flexible about it. Then he quickly found out there was a reason for the policy in the first place.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jan 9, 2016 12:11:31 GMT -5
Finally caught this yesterday and I thought it was pretty good. Sure it shared a lot of same thematic elements as the other movies especially the very first one, but then again so did the prequels. Plus New Hope is still the go to example of the hero's journey template for most screenwriting instructors so really it's no surprise to see it brought into a new age. Kind of figured that Han wasn't going to make out of this one alive. Although I always saw him going out Butch and Sundance style as the odds finally caught up to him, but getting impaled and shafted by your ungrateful child works too. And as cliche as it was I like that Kylo finally giving into to the dark side happened just as the planet's sun was extinguished. Symbolizing the last bit of light being snuffed out. Speaking of which the little moment of Han and Leia's brief reunion and goodbye near the end was handled pretty well. Seeing Fisher and Ford stepping right into characters they haven't played on screen in over three decades and not missing a beat was awesome. Can't wait to see Hamill will do with his larger role in 8 and 9. As much as it was nice to see the old guard again, the new characters were engaging enough to keep me invested and longing to see where their paths will eventually take them, heck I even liked BB-8 (I chuckled at its "Droid Sempai noticed me" moment with R2-D2 at the end.) I also liked the look and feel of the film there was a good mix of practical and computer generated effects that led to some great shots and lush organic looking backdrops. (That sweeping shot at the end on the mountain top was spectacular.) All in all I left the theater feeling satisfied and a little relieved to see this franchise was left in some good hands. Regarding your point on Han's death, I feel as though he did get killed on a gamble. He gambled on him being able to bring his son back from the dark side and came up snake eyes. He also died for something other than himself. Which was a major criticism of him from the other characters. What's funny is that Ben is all the awful things everyone thought Han was. A Self-serving, narcissistic, amoral dickhead that only looks out for himself and his own aspirations. Someone who clearly doesn't love anyone but himself and doesn't have the bottle to lay down his life for anyone else.
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Jan 9, 2016 13:33:33 GMT -5
ironic that solo "talked himself out of trouble" and yet fell through utter silence! beginning to really appreciate episode 7 more and more, with more seeing it (hurry up proper HD source or hell even that DVDscreener version, it won't have time to download before i rip it onto my tv ) with all the moments NOT discussed! the hole created my the thermal detonators so that poe can FLY THROUGH IT and blow the guts out, the FLY BACK OUT OF THE HOLE ..... leia picked a whopper of a pilot (what a guy ) rey and han throwing "that piece of garbage" about, how the falcon stayed together is beyond me , and some of the music cues are very nice (the starkiller base firing up and dropping the new republic LIKE ITS HOT and it's destruction too it's a pity that mr abrams decided a quicker editing style to keep that quickfire pace up, rey's sense of defeatism by her dropping of her shoulders after watching the old woman cleaning stuff and that wonderful entrance into hyperspace, along with more extending of scenes would make for one hell of a special edition on the home disk versions!
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Post by Burst on Jan 9, 2016 15:07:59 GMT -5
I think they said there was what, 20-30 minutes of material cut? Could be interesting for a special edition to help slow the pacing a little bit.
Though it does remind me of just how badly paced Phantom Menace was. That was one of the first movies we had on DVD growing up and don't think I EVER watched it straight through. Opening to the arrival at Tatooine, skip skip skip to the Podrace, skip skip skip skip skip to the arrival back at Naboo.
Also, something that would be interesting to see in Episode VIII and that I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see, is age and abuse finally catching up with the Millenium Falcon. I don't even know how old the ship is supposed to be anymore, but it's taken a practically brutal beating over the years, and who knows what especially in the wilderness period of it being stolen and parked on Jakku. Considering how much it was thrown about in Force Awakens with seemingly no effect, I can't see that lasting forever.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jan 9, 2016 16:47:02 GMT -5
I think they said there was what, 20-30 minutes of material cut? Could be interesting for a special edition to help slow the pacing a little bit. Though it does remind me of just how badly paced Phantom Menace was. That was one of the first movies we had on DVD growing up and don't think I EVER watched it straight through. Opening to the arrival at Tatooine, skip skip skip to the Podrace, skip skip skip skip skip to the arrival back at Naboo. Also, something that would be interesting to see in Episode VIII and that I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see, is age and abuse finally catching up with the Millenium Falcon. I don't even know how old the ship is supposed to be anymore, but it's taken a practically brutal beating over the years, and who knows what especially in the wilderness period of it being stolen and parked on Jakku. Considering how much it was thrown about in Force Awakens with seemingly no effect, I can't see that lasting forever. That will be more depressing than any death IMO. The Falcon has been an integral part of the series. To see it possibly breaking down and having to be abandoned will be a hard pill for fans to swallow. Then again, without Han, there is no Falcon. It's a ship that the main characters are flying around but, search your feelings, you know it's no longer the Falcon.
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Post by CMWaters on Jan 9, 2016 17:53:22 GMT -5
I think they said there was what, 20-30 minutes of material cut? Could be interesting for a special edition to help slow the pacing a little bit. Though it does remind me of just how badly paced Phantom Menace was. That was one of the first movies we had on DVD growing up and don't think I EVER watched it straight through. Opening to the arrival at Tatooine, skip skip skip to the Podrace, skip skip skip skip skip to the arrival back at Naboo. Also, something that would be interesting to see in Episode VIII and that I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see, is age and abuse finally catching up with the Millenium Falcon. I don't even know how old the ship is supposed to be anymore, but it's taken a practically brutal beating over the years, and who knows what especially in the wilderness period of it being stolen and parked on Jakku. Considering how much it was thrown about in Force Awakens with seemingly no effect, I can't see that lasting forever. That will be more depressing than any death IMO. The Falcon has been an integral part of the series. To see it possibly breaking down and having to be abandoned will be a hard pill for fans to swallow. Then again, without Han, there is no Falcon. It's a ship that the main characters are flying around but, search your feelings, you know it's no longer the Falcon. So you didn't think it was the Falcon when Lando used it to blow up the Death Star 2?
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jan 9, 2016 17:58:21 GMT -5
That will be more depressing than any death IMO. The Falcon has been an integral part of the series. To see it possibly breaking down and having to be abandoned will be a hard pill for fans to swallow. Then again, without Han, there is no Falcon. It's a ship that the main characters are flying around but, search your feelings, you know it's no longer the Falcon. So you didn't think it was the Falcon when Lando used it to blow up the Death Star 2? Lando was the original owner. It makes sense in my mind.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 9, 2016 18:09:11 GMT -5
I think the Falcon will survive, which is more than I can say for some of the other OT characters. I think she'll be passed down to one of the new characters... Probably Rey, though I could see Poe appreciating her for "having it where it counts."
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jan 9, 2016 19:56:44 GMT -5
So you didn't think it was the Falcon when Lando used it to blow up the Death Star 2? Lando was the original owner. It makes sense in my mind. Lando was the owner before Han. Granted, it's all Legends info now but I wanna say the Falcon was supposed to be like 40 years old at the time of A New Hope. In the old EU I believe there were quite a few owners before Lando
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jan 9, 2016 21:04:19 GMT -5
Lando was the original owner. It makes sense in my mind. Lando was the owner before Han. Granted, it's all Legends info now but I wanna say the Falcon was supposed to be like 40 years old at the time of A New Hope. In the old EU I believe there were quite a few owners before Lando I don't know why but when "Rebels" first started I was under the impression that the Ghost was the Millennium Falcon. At some point Hera loses it to Lando, and Lando loses it to Han. Either Lando or Han decide to rename it. I don't believe this is canon though.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jan 9, 2016 21:07:22 GMT -5
Lando was the owner before Han. Granted, it's all Legends info now but I wanna say the Falcon was supposed to be like 40 years old at the time of A New Hope. In the old EU I believe there were quite a few owners before Lando I don't know why but when "Rebels" first started I was under the impression that the Ghost was the Millennium Falcon. At some point Hera loses it to Lando, and Lando loses it to Han. Either Lando or Han decide to rename it. I don't believe this is canon though. Haven't seen Rebels yet, I'm actually just finally getting around to watching The Clone Wars after writing it off because of the underwhelming movie, so not overly familiar with anything from the show.
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Post by G✇JI☈A on Jan 9, 2016 21:12:16 GMT -5
I'm into the second season of Clone Wars. Was surprised how dark and violent it can be at times.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 9, 2016 21:14:58 GMT -5
Rebels is such a step back
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