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Post by benstudd on Dec 31, 2015 21:20:36 GMT -5
Seth Rollins.
He seems and comes off like a natural talker.
But I don't know if it's his character or whatever but he always sounds like a big cartoon Evil villain. When he talked to Shawn Michaels in the ring a month ago the difference between the two was incredible. Shawn came off like a real person, Seth, not so much.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2015 22:39:54 GMT -5
Most of the Divas are the worst offenders of this. The Bellas are barely human at times. Where I check out of their speeches is when they try to shock me with a phrase or sentence, but (AJ was guilty of this too) they frickin' overemphasized the key line. So, it's no longer shocking, it's badly performed.
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Post by cuppacoffee - slight return on Dec 31, 2015 22:58:30 GMT -5
Charlotte is the daughter of one of the greatest talkers. Really? Who was that? You'd have though they'd have mentioned it by now if she had some family connection to the wrestling business...
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jan 1, 2016 0:52:04 GMT -5
Seth Rollins. He seems and comes off like a natural talker. But I don't know if it's his character or whatever but he always sounds like a big cartoon Evil villain. When he talked to Shawn Michaels in the ring a month ago the difference between the two was incredible. Shawn came off like a real person, Seth, not so much. When Seth does his evil laugh, it feels like a babyface trying hard to prove he's a heel. If it were intentional, it'd be brilliant, but obviously WWE doesn't do subtle.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 1, 2016 2:50:18 GMT -5
There are always going to be some people who will never sound particularly natural on the mic, but the real problem is that they have bad writers over-scripting everything, and nothing feels particularly real. As much as Cena comes off like he's clearly doing a thing, there is at least a conviction in his voice and a fire that drives his material. When the New Day do their schtick, it's usually schtick they've written and which fits their senses of humour, so they're able to deliver it in a way that feels genuine in a way. Owens is good at snarkily ripping into people the same way Punk was; they come off like it's something they definitely enjoy doing and likely do of their own volition at times.
The problem is when people don't have any freedom and are being given shit totally out of their depth. Ryback is a big, goofy lug and he's at his best when he can play to the fact the takes things so seriously and yet is so absurd that it comes off as entertaining; see his crazy period on Twitter or his old Youtube channel. Talking up The Secret is not to his strengths in the damn least. Pretty much every diva not named Sasha Banks simply can't do promos in WWE because they get the least freedom or leeway; they need the old format of just being given bullet points and allowed to figure it out themselves, because the material they're being given is dire, and is written by people who come off like they have no idea how to write women. Roman Reigns needs to be allowed to be the aloof, cocky cool guy by letting it come naturally to him instead of reading off lines while trying to act that way.
Generally, if anybody has any kind of charisma or charm or just general talking ability, then it's best if they're able to do it in a way that fits them. WWE doesn't allow most people to do that anymore, which is why people come off so poorly.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Jan 1, 2016 3:04:06 GMT -5
Stuff like this is really on display whenever they do Tough Enough programming. Sometimes you can sound good cutting buzzword wrestling promos. But it's really easy to get lost in them.
I wonder if this bleeds into their personal lives or is really like Total Divas without the cameras.
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 1, 2016 3:10:37 GMT -5
Kane sounds unbelievably awkward and forced in so many of his promos it's insane.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Jan 1, 2016 3:18:15 GMT -5
Guys I believe and am half scared of:
Off-the-cuff psychos and rednecks and "genuine" bad people in the 80s.
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Guys that legit make me believe I could turn around make them cry:
Fake psychos and heels from the 2000s and 2010s with cardboard deliveries and $50 dollar words that are regurgitated from the page of a script.
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Jan 1, 2016 4:29:13 GMT -5
Charlotte is the daughter of one of the greatest talkers and she just blows any time her mouth opens. I imagine that'll make her quite popular in the back.
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Post by ToyfareMark on Jan 1, 2016 6:44:30 GMT -5
I feel sorry for wrestlers when they have to fill their promos with buzzwords management has obviously instructed them to say. Some shit like "In this business, what matters most to the WWE Universe is the WWE World Heavyweight Championship, and in this very ring, I will become the WWE World Heavyweight Champion, and be the best sports-entertainer in the world" No one says this. Shawn Michaels has, and in the 90's no less.
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Post by 魔界5号 on Jan 1, 2016 6:49:28 GMT -5
None of the women other than maybe Sasha or Bayley sound natural on the microphone at all. They all sound really wooden and you can tell that it's scripted. Paige isn't good but both Bellas, Charlotte and most of the other main roster women are just as bad.
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Post by gr1990 on Jan 1, 2016 6:59:32 GMT -5
The Bellas (and especially Brie) talk like they don't actually speak English and have just loosely memorised the sounds of what they're scripted to say without knowing what they actually mean, their emphasis and enunciation is all over the place. I actually think Paige is a good talker, she's just really self-conscious of her accent and it causes her to hesitate and over-think when she's trying to get the words out.
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Post by The Tim Duncan Experience on Jan 1, 2016 21:49:49 GMT -5
I feel sorry for wrestlers when they have to fill their promos with buzzwords management has obviously instructed them to say. Some shit like "In this business, what matters most to the WWE Universe is the WWE World Heavyweight Championship, and in this very ring, I will become the WWE World Heavyweight Champion, and be the best sports-entertainer in the world" No one says this. Lol I remember HBK saying that one sentence. It's in his video promo where he does all these super kicks. I believe it was his promo during the hulk Hogan storyline when he was on the fake larrt King show Edit: toyfaremark beat me to it lol
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Post by King Devitt on Jan 1, 2016 22:59:22 GMT -5
How anyone can think that Charlotte or Paige are worse than Eva is beyond me. Eva can't even get the words out correctly.
Blame the writers for giving people wooden, stilted, bad dialogue. If they were allowed to be more of themselves perhaps we'd have better talkers than Owens and Ambrose.
There's a reason Charlotte barely talked in NXT really. They played to her strengths as a performer. At least Charlotte can vary in pitch and emotion. She sounds fake mad, but at least she can sound mad. Have we forgotten the Bella's robotic everything delivery? No way she's worse than them. Paige could do better, much like AJ Lee before her, but they have shit to work with. And I think people take her "this is my house" thing way overboard. She doesn't say it like half of you type it.
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Post by agent817 on Jan 2, 2016 1:01:15 GMT -5
Most of the Divas are the worst offenders of this. The Bellas are barely human at times. But luckily they are able to elicit very human emotions from their words I can't get enough of that guy's reaction. It is hilarious.
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Post by Georgina's Fancy Water on Jan 2, 2016 1:03:49 GMT -5
Every time Apollo Crews starts smiling at unidentified objects to the left, I feel a part of me dying.
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Post by Scott on Jan 2, 2016 1:10:51 GMT -5
I don't feel Ambrose's "crazy."
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Post by SeVeN: #TheBadGuy. on Jan 2, 2016 1:14:01 GMT -5
Paige says "This is my house"?
This whole time I thought she was yelling "Thats my horse!", all those promos make some sense now.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Jan 2, 2016 1:20:04 GMT -5
Blame the writers for giving people wooden, stilted, bad dialogue. If they were allowed to be more of themselves perhaps we'd have better talkers than Owens and Ambrose. I agree with you on this, but at the end of the day its down to the worker to deliver it. They're allowed to, even at NXT to take what they're given and re-word it so it is more natural to them. A lot of the ones that have been mentioned in this thread that have the problem don't even do that well. Sure, it may end up being complete garbage in terms of the storyline or reasoning for the promo, but you can totally tell when the bad ones are reading what they're given verbatim or doing a really poor job of filling in any sort of blank. It comes down to the fact that the large majority of wrestlers are not actors. They just don't have the ability to deliver dialogue in any convincing fashion. Some of them develop it over time, but the people like Eva Marie, Brie Bella, and Curtis Axel are just complete shit at it.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 2, 2016 1:58:43 GMT -5
The huge problem with scripting pro wrestlers is that wrestling has been, and likely will always be an industry that thrives on individual, distinguishable personalities. If the same writing team is coming up with all the scripts, then eventually things are going to get repetitive; like, individual wrestlers can deliver lines in unique ways, but the word choices, the pacing, the beats within the sentences...part of why I can't watch much WWE is because you can basically play Mad Libs with most of the promos and figure out which way they're going.
If everybody's working off the scripts written by the same team, even if they're given some level of creative freedom they're bound to inevitably start sounding similar after awhile. It's painful.
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